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Topic: Bitminter bitcoin mining pool - shutdown mining 2020-07-01 website 2021-06-01 - page 23. (Read 325001 times)

legendary
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I don't claim to have the answers, however, as each shift/day passes where a block is not found by the pool, the value of the reward goes down significantly because nothing says that when a block is finally found, that another will be found soon thereafter like the history has shown.  And with difficulty going up as much as it is, this problem seems like it will only get worse.  Even if the rewards were given to every shift since the last block, as time passes without a block, the value of the reward goes down. There are transaction fees being accumulated, right?  So those that fall outside of the last 10 shifts will never see those TX fees either, correct?  What happens if you're 90 days out from finding a block?  Wouldn't miners just start dropping off because the reward over time becomes so diluted vs a large pool that is frequently finding blocks?

Transaction fees are not accumulated between blocks. With each block we get the newly generated coins from that block plus the transaction fees from the transactions we put in that block. So we only earn anything at all when we find a block.

Yes, when there is bad luck the payouts are low and when there is good luck the payouts are high.

With a small pool the variance is higher. If the variance is too high then you can reduce it by splitting your hashrate over multiple pools.

No, people should not leave a pool after there has been bad luck. At least not if it uses PPLNS. The bad luck is in the past. You have no way of knowing what the future luck will be like. And it is the future luck that determines the pay for the work you do right now. That is a very important part of PPLNS. You should never be able to tell anything about future payouts. Whether you get a high or low payout for the work you do right now should be completely random and not something you should be able to estimate. That was the design goal of PPLNS. That is the reason PPLNS exists at all.

In the olden days many pools used the "proportional" reward method. Instead of only paying the N most recent amount of work when a block is found, it paid all the work back to when the previous block was found. Now with that reward system you CAN say something about what future payouts are going to be. This makes the proportional reward system vulnerable to pool hopping. People would switch pool at the right time and get paid more than the 24/7 miners.

I don't think any pools use prop rewards anymore, except maybe some altcoin pools. So after pool hopping became impossible it was kind of forgotten. Today many miners think pool hopping simply means switching from one pool to another.

You can read about pool hopping here: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5072/what-is-pool-hopping

newbie
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I don't claim to have the answers, however, as each shift/day passes where a block is not found by the pool, the value of the reward goes down significantly because nothing says that when a block is finally found, that another will be found soon thereafter like the history has shown.  And with difficulty going up as much as it is, this problem seems like it will only get worse.  Even if the rewards were given to every shift since the last block, as time passes without a block, the value of the reward goes down. There are transaction fees being accumulated, right?  So those that fall outside of the last 10 shifts will never see those TX fees either, correct?  What happens if you're 90 days out from finding a block?  Wouldn't miners just start dropping off because the reward over time becomes so diluted vs a large pool that is frequently finding blocks?
legendary
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Doc- it is fascinating how long it has been since a block has been found. What is the motivation to stay in?  As each shift passes that gets disqualified for pay, I think that the payout model would have to adjust, don't you think?

With PPLNS you never know what the pay is for work you are doing right now. There is no motivation to come or go due to good or bad luck in PPLNS. You can never predict the pay for work until after it is done.

How do you think the reward model should adjust?
newbie
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Doc- it is fascinating how long it has been since a block has been found. What is the motivation to stay in?  As each shift passes that gets disqualified for pay, I think that the payout model would have to adjust, don't you think?
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nice to see Fefox back on top Cheesy
legendary
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A group of miners are planning to make a fork of Bitcoin called Bitcoin Cash (BCC) on august 1.

Bitminter currently has no immediate plans for BCC support. If you want a BCC for each of your bitcoins, your best option right now is to cash out your coins before august 1. Cash out to a wallet or service that is going to support BCC or at least where you control the private keys.
legendary
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BIP91 activated. All pools are forced to activate segwit now.

But there will still be a split. After a split was avoided through BIP91 some miners decided to fork bitcoin anyway and create a new coin called BitcoinCash.

Best option, if you want to have BitcoinCash coins, is to cash out your coins to a wallet where you control the private keys.
newbie
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Yep, supporting BIP91.

Hello, with the announcement that BIP148 is going forward, even with BIP91/141 becoming active, what does that mean for Bitminter, and where will our mining prowess go? If this hard fork does indeed occur, and we end up with two wallets, where will our coins go?

Thanks.
legendary
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Beware of fake Bitminter representatives

Someone is pretending to be Bitminter head of marketing, showing a photoshopped “international Bitminter ID card” and pretending to sell hash rate, accepting payments through western union and to a bank account.

This is a scammer. Don’t give away your money to scammers. If you already did then you’ll want to get in touch with the police. If you wired money then maybe your bank can cancel or reverse the payment. When Western Union asks you if you know the person that you are sending money to, don’t lie, they are trying to help you avoid scams.

If you want to contact Bitminter; send an email to [email protected] or use the contact form on the webpage https://bitminter.com
legendary
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No problem. Yeah, I should think of some good ways to visualize what's going on even when blocks are not found for a while.

You can estimate your average earnings with a bitcoin mining calculator (google for one). That's the average earnings though. Earnings are as you say affected by luck.
newbie
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Doc- I hope I wasn't coming across negative or bitter, I like the pool and I like the "gambling" aspect if you will.  It would be great to see that on an FAQ of sorts, just the basics for newbies.  I don't know if people drop off after just a day or two because they don't know these fine details.  Some sort of anticipated pay metric would be great to know, so we can calculate what we "could" earn.  I'm over a week out so far and don't have a clue what my potential earning might be.  I calculated using th/s but I don't know if I'm even in the ballpark.
legendary
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Hey Doc, it seems like it takes an awful lot of faith to get started in the pool.  I learned that your individual stats don't actually show anything until the shift you participate in is completed past 100%.  So, if it takes more than 10 shifts to find a block , does someone doing work in the 11th shift not get any payout for work? And judging by this date, no one in the pool has found a block since 6/27, right?  Thanks in advance.

To see your work in the current incomplete shift, look at the livestats at https://bitminter.com/livestats/big
Your work in completed shifts: https://bitminter.com/shifts
Your work for all time (or since stat reset) is at https://bitminter.com/members/workers

Yeah, when a block is found the last 10 completed shifts get paid. This means the same work can be paid multiple times when we find blocks quickly or some work can get no work when it takes a long time to find a block. So good luck results in high pay and bad luck results in low pay.

Yeah, the last block was 6/27. It's taking a while to find blocks at this difficulty.
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Welcome to the pool Smiley

Your work is registered in shifts. When someone in the pool finds a block the work in the last 10 completed shifts get their share of the coins from that block. You can see the blocks and shifts under the "statistics" menu on bitminter.com

For the current (incomplete) shift see the live stats, also under statistics.


Hey Doc, it seems like it takes an awful lot of faith to get started in the pool.  I learned that your individual stats don't actually show anything until the shift you participate in is completed past 100%.  So, if it takes more than 10 shifts to find a block , does someone doing work in the 11th shift not get any payout for work? And judging by this date, no one in the pool has found a block since 6/27, right?  Thanks in advance.
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legendary
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legendary
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Ruu \o/
Dr. Haribo, have you switched over to supporting BIP91 and will the pool be ready to support SegWit blocks tomorrow?
This pool has been signalling BIP141 segwit for a long time. Even without BIP91 support, since basically 100% of blocks are signalling BIP141 now there is no realistic problem without supporting BIP91.
sr. member
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Dr. Haribo, have you switched over to supporting BIP91 and will the pool be ready to support SegWit blocks tomorrow?
legendary
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Hello! I'm very new to mining (also it would be super cool to hear your 6 years long story about it, Doc!:), Just started to mine at BitMinter, and want to ask - how many blocks should be shown as "processes" in my workers's statistics or elsewhere in order for me to see some income in coins?
Thanks!

Welcome to the pool Smiley

Your work is registered in shifts. When someone in the pool finds a block the work in the last 10 completed shifts get their share of the coins from that block. You can see the blocks and shifts under the "statistics" menu on bitminter.com

For the current (incomplete) shift see the live stats, also under statistics.
newbie
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Hello! I'm very new to mining (also it would be super cool to hear your 6 years long story about it, Doc!:), Just started to mine at BitMinter, and want to ask - how many blocks should be shown as "processes" in my workers's statistics or elsewhere in order for me to see some income in coins?
Thanks!
legendary
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As we passed the 6 year mark we also hit 6000 likes on Facebook. Thank you to all who mine with us and support the pool!
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