BitRoul.com the only Roulette with no Zero and a solid Provably Fair - page 9.

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Quote from: lemarin2 on July 21, 2021, 09:05:55 AM

Hauzenberg , it's true that if the house can cheat 1 second , it has two possibilities in its hand , maybe both losers , but anyway they have an edge .
So , whereas the nonce is decided by the client when he clicks on SPIN , the value in itself has less importance than the uncertainty on the correct value within one second .

Clearly, this in itself is a huge flaw in the system and means that it cannot be promoted as provably fair. The entire concept of "provably fair" is that there is no possibility for the house to cheat, nor is there an advantage over the player (beyond the defined parameters of the house edge).

lemarin2

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Hauzenberg , it's true that if the house can cheat 1 second , it has two possibilities in its hand , maybe both losers , but anyway they have an edge .
So , whereas the nonce is decided by the client when he clicks on SPIN , the value in itself has less importance than the uncertainty on the correct value within one second .

hauzenberg

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Quote from: lemarin2 on July 21, 2021, 07:59:00 AM

hauzenberg the only thing you have proven is that if the player doesn't change its seed , and if its bet is uniquely based on red/blk , or odd/even ,and if the casino is not honest , then there is a risk . This is not new .
But as you can see , the responsability of the player is engaged . BitRoul has to take action and facilitate the change of seed by the player . This is what we are committed to doing .

"and if the casino is not honest"
^^^ THIS
This is the whole point of provably fair. We don't need to believe if casino is honest or not, we need PROOF that casino is NOT ABLE to manipulate (to not be able to not be honest).

1. For the issue with nonce:
- Even if user change his client seed you are still able to manipulate nonce by one second and chose totally different outcome.
- "and if its bet is uniquely based on red/blk , or odd/even" - not correct, if user is playing on exact numbers you can change nonce by one second and generate different outcome so user will lose.

2. For the issue with changing server seed with every bet:
- "if the player doesn't change its seed" so, the only way a user can 100% be sure it's not cheated on this way is to change client seed with every bet?? But even that will not help him because of the first issue.

Why just not confirm that you have two issues, pay fairly bug bounty reward and fix those issues? You are leaving a really bed view of your reputation here.

lemarin2

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hauzenberg the only thing you have proven is that if the player doesn't change its seed , and if its bet is uniquely based on red/blk , or odd/even ,and if the casino is not honest , then there is a risk . This is not new .
But as you can see , the responsability of the player is engaged . BitRoul has to take action and facilitate the change of seed by the player . This is what we are committed to doing .

hauzenberg

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Quote from: lemarin2 on July 20, 2021, 10:44:50 PM

To Hauzenberg : Your analysis is good , but does not prove any fail in our Provably Fair .
  What do you say ? : the nonce is a weak element in the chain serverseed+clientseed+nonce . Nothing new on that point . Nonce is not a key factor , it's salt . It complicates the thing .
   But , again , nothing new .
  The key fact of Provably fair process , mine or some serious others is that the server seed has to be declared as early as possible and of course before the end of the bets . It is the case on the BitRoul , and the future versions will see some major improvements in this matter .

Provability Fair is not a gadget , it s all about it .

"Your analysis is good"
"does not prove any fail in our Provably Fair"

Are you crazy? You just confirmed that house can change one second later for nonce and change the outcome of the game in that way.

If I place bet at 11:11:11.111 (111 miliseconds) you can chose for nonce 11:11:11 or 11:11:12 (the better outcome for house)!!!

This system IS NOT FAIR, stay away from this site until they fix it.

Even if you don't want to confirm this, you must confirm that changing server seed with every bet is FAIL because house can teach player's gambling strategy and pick server seed which is in house's favor.

To ALL people here on forum, stay away from this site because it's not fair. Continue to gamble once they fix this two issues in provably fair implementation. And one more red alert would be if OP doesn't reward me for this findings.

kurtbitcoin

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Okay I have changed it.

And thank you yahoo62278 , it looks way better

lemarin2

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Kurt ,
Can you please allow a newbie to write you privately ? You have to change your settings . Confirm when done .

yahoo62278

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Quote from: kurtbitcoin on July 21, 2021, 06:48:18 AM

Quote from: lemarin2 on July 21, 2021, 05:08:45 AM

Hello Kurt ?

Thanks for your sweet words .

About your bug , I propose the community of Bitcointalk to be escrow and the judge .

You explain the bug and the proofs , I give my advice , you can answer , and finally we decide if you qualify or not and the community is witnessing .

About how much is it valuable i would say that 500 usd is the maximum : a systemic bug .
An average bug will be rewarded 150 usd .

BTW I don't understand why you signal a bug at the advantage of the client , and in the end of your message you deter people from playing BitRoul threatening them of losses .
puzzling Roll Eyes

BUG IN PROVABLY FAIR FEATURE

The bug: Each time you change your client seed, the unhashed server seed is revealed in the response from your server sent to the browser.

Proof:

I change my clientseed to kurtfoundabug00 in the option provided.
It changes successfully and this response is sent to browser.

link:https://imgur.com/a/3G9Upib

As you can see the noramlServerSeed shows the unhashed server seed.

I then take that serverseed and put it together with my client seed and the time I plan to press the spin button and SHA512 hash it.

link: https://imgur.com/CcxMYIZ

I then take the hash and convert it to decimal , 2 by 2

link:https://imgur.com/a/JruDlOM

I then wait for the time to be 1 second as planned and press the spin button so that the time can be accurate.

Here is the spin Result

link: https://imgur.com/epOkzsV

provably fair:

link: https://imgur.com/a/PfszM9A

More Proof

Look at round 65, I haven't played it yet. The hashed seed is given and my clientseed changed to kurtfoundabug001.

link:https://imgur.com/a/nuVxTyA

The unhashed serverseed is already in my possession.

link: https://imgur.com/a/Tm30lQl

If you woud like to have more proof, I can provide it to you.

My bitcoin address is bc1q5staxrlprpn7x5ly9k88g5xr8tzf24ve8l32nj

I wanted to make everything neat and clear but it seems I can't post images

kurtbitcoin

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Quote from: lemarin2 on July 21, 2021, 05:08:45 AM

Hello Kurt ?

  Thanks for your sweet words .

  About your bug , I propose the community of Bitcointalk to be escrow and the judge .

  You explain the bug and the proofs , I give my advice , you can answer , and finally we decide if you qualify or not and the community is witnessing .

  About how much is it valuable i would say that 500 usd is the maximum : a systemic bug .
  An average bug will be rewarded 150 usd .


BTW I don't understand why you signal a bug at the advantage of the client , and in the end of your message you deter people from playing BitRoul threatening them of losses .
  puzzling Roll Eyes

BUG IN PROVABLY FAIR FEATURE

The bug: Each time you change your client seed, the unhashed server seed is revealed in the response from your server sent to the browser.

Proof:

I change my clientseed to kurtfoundabug00 in the option provided.
It changes successfully and this response is sent to browser.
https://i.imgur.com/cAN70xU.png link:https://imgur.com/a/3G9Upib

As you can see the noramlServerSeed shows the unhashed server seed.

I then take that serverseed and put it together with my client seed and the time I plan to press the spin button and SHA512 hash it.
https://i.imgur.com/CcxMYIZ.png link: https://imgur.com/CcxMYIZ

I then take the hash and convert it to decimal , 2 by 2

https://i.imgur.com/kJmKuIK.png link:https://imgur.com/a/JruDlOM

I then wait for the time to be 1 second as planned and press the spin button so that the time can be accurate.

Here is the spin Result

https://i.imgur.com/epOkzsV.png link: https://imgur.com/epOkzsV

provably fair:
https://i.imgur.com/b6mQJja.png link: https://imgur.com/a/PfszM9A

More Proof

Look at round 65, I haven't played it yet. The hashed seed is given and my clientseed changed to kurtfoundabug001.
https://i.imgur.com/zezZ72l.png link:https://imgur.com/a/nuVxTyA

The unhashed serverseed is already in my possession.

https://i.imgur.com/vFOlYYN.png link: https://imgur.com/a/Tm30lQl

If you woud like to have more proof, I can provide it to you.

My bitcoin address is bc1q5staxrlprpn7x5ly9k88g5xr8tzf24ve8l32nj

I wanted to make everything neat and clear but it seems I can't post images

yahoo62278

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So I got your messages and you said you fixed the bug. I just made this bet and as you see the winning number was 34 and I won 36.

Then we look at the bet history

I had 2 bet on 34 and should have been paid 72. Come on man close deposits down until the site works properly.

kryptqnick

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Welcome to the forum. You really shouldn't get offended when people criticize your website here because that's how they're trying to help you focus on things that can improve it. It's really nice that you have no fees, but I'd move the zero back to the roulette if I were you because it would look more natural this way... Honestly, the website's design looks too simple to me. Just have a look at all those other websites in the gambling section to see what you want to compete against. And you should definitely write the Terms and Conditions ASAP because otherwise people can't know what they're agreeing to. For example, what is your KYC policy? Is there a minimum withdrawal sum? How do you feel about the usage of VPN? All these things should be written there.

lemarin2

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Hello Kurt ?

  Thanks for your sweet words .

  About your bug , I propose the community of Bitcointalk to be escrow and the judge .

  You explain the bug and the proofs , I give my advice , you can answer , and finally we decide if you qualify or not and the community is witnessing .

  About how much is it valuable i would say that 500 usd is the maximum : a systemic bug .
  An average bug will be rewarded 150 usd .


BTW I don't understand why you signal a bug at the advantage of the client , and in the end of your message you deter people from playing BitRoul threatening them of losses .
  puzzling Roll Eyes

kurtbitcoin

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Quote from: lemarin2 on July 20, 2021, 02:38:22 AM

Hi There !

www.BitRoul.com

also available on mobiles without app : www.BitRoul.com

Nice to speak with you about our crazy new gambling site :
BitRoul.com as said is a defy the gravity law .
No Zero , no Cheat , a very solid (for the player ) Provably Fair feature .

And for now , no commission . Don't promise that rate it will last , but Enjoy .

I pay 500 Usd if you prove any fail in the Provably fair , whether or not at the advantage of the player .

When creating an account , you receive play money to test .

Thanks to you .

Pierre-Peter
(not really a newbie : account created in 2018)

Hi nice site, I tested it out. However, I have found a bug in your system advantaging the player. Can you please use a trusting escrow so that it can be released to me once I make it public ? You can't continue with your site while having this bug so please consider it.

I forgot to mention:

I advice everybody to strictly not deposit on this casino until this issue I will make public soon will be fixed , you might lose your funds if the owner decides just to take stop or take down the casino instead of fixing it.

kotajikikox

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Welcoming you guys in Bitcointalk.org community and Its nice to read your replies constantly to all the questions and advises from forum members .

Just be ready with the Attacks from some Groups that loves harassing Newly gambling site operating specially those who had been advertised here in forum.

Make sure that they will never find leakage or something that they can use attacking your site.

Clerza

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oh okay, didn't know, i will try thank you

lemarin2

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Dear or Dearess (

) Clerza ,

Crypto are already available , but yes make your trial with our play money ROUL1

Clerza

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i tried your website roulette; it works good!(for fun) can't wait to see what happens when cryptocurrency is added

lemarin2

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hello "Im still the best" ,
Your takes are interesting , I will change right now certain phrasings :

don't promise it will last = don't promise the "without commission" will last eternally ,but yes my BitRoul will last forever

imstillthebest

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this ann thread is interesting .
first is what do you mean by no zero . no zero number in the roullete ? or no losses but theres a guaranteed win even if its small ? i like this better .
second is this is the first gambling site if ever that is willing to pay to prove that they are legit . for sure you wont allow it so you are sure that your site is really fair .
third is this

Quote

no commission . Don't promise it will last , but Enjoy .

does this mean the site can close in no time ? but this can scare the player even if you say that you are legit .

lemarin2

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Bitinity , you are true .

there is no interaction between the players , cause there is no need for that , weel in my view .

maybe i could start a roulette-dating site , one day Cheesy

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