To start, just a quick explanation of why Will was banned from the faucet/tokens when he was. When Will discovered the bug, he did not directly tell me but told some other people. Those people came forward to me saying several different accounts reported it to them first. Many (or all?) of those accounts which people mentioned were Will and his alts. Eventually, Will came to me on one of his accounts saying he discovered the bug, after which I went to check if he did indeed discover it was an account linked to him using our account-linking tools. The tool did indeed report to me that Will and the account he was on when talking about the bug to others were linked to each other, proving to me it was him who discovered the bug, but it also showed many flags for dodging faucet limitations within the same report. This is why the timing for the token ban lines up with the bug report. By the method used to link his account to the one who discovered it for paying out the bug bounty, I was also alerted to the possibility of abuse going on with those accounts.
Getting to the reason for the ban. I dug in deeper and found that one, or multiple people, who had used his account were strongly linked to other accounts which had abused the faucet based on patterns of when they logged in/out with identical or nearby IP addresses. For example, something like a user logging in with IP 100.100.100.100, claiming the faucet, then switching to another account on IP 100.100.100.101 and claiming the faucet, and so on with only minutes between accounts. It was spotted several times with a group of over a dozen accounts and over 20 million converted tokens in total. Will has by his own admission in PMs to me said that at least 3 people (including himself) have had access to his main account, and at another time told me over 5 people use his set of accounts. While there is no proof Will himself abused the system, there is proof that someone who Will gave access to his account to massively abused the system. While it is unfortunate if someone he gave access to was the one who did it, it is ultimately his responsibility to keep his account in good standing.
One important thing to note, and why we take facuet abuse so seriously, is that any conversion has an immediate cost of the entire value of the conversion to us, even if the funds are never withdrawn. If someone converts, then loses their converted coins, we typically only get a sliver of it back in commissions. We want our faucets, quests, and events to be used fairly so that everyone can get their own share. If we ignored abuse, we'd have to drastically lower our token payouts for everyone to help cover the costs.
Will's ban in chat was not directly related to this incident, we don't ban people for reporting bugs, we pay them bounties. Will was banned for his vulgar language towards our mods and admins over how he felt unfairly treated.
For the bet in question which started this series of events: https://bitvest.io/results.php?query=77060273 With the 0-padding taken into account, we remove the extra 0 in the user seed and everything calculates exactly as one would expect and the results line up with the proof as they should. You can see the server seed is the same as it was, the user seed only has a 0 removed. This is proof we did not manipulate any results to "fix" what was broken. The "result hash" is entirely different, but that is because the "result hash" is a combination of the (now correct) user seed, and the server seed.
I do agree the upgrading timing was unusual, but the bug (Which you can see from the earlier posts was spotted over a day before I found out about it) finally got reported directly to me while our server was minutes away from being taken offline for new hardware to be installed. We also had planned hardware upgrades for days before the bug was posted. While I don't have any proof here to show that, many users can attest to the fact that I said hardware updates were coming "in a few days" many days before all this happened.
Regarding the comment about our mods committing fraud. We take all reports of fraud from our moderators seriously. If you have evidence or any concerns we should look into, you may PM me, e-mail me, or open a ticket on Bitvest and I will look into it promptly.
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January 21, 2019, 10:18:55 PM
January 21, 2019, 08:42:01 PM
these are two of the accounts destroyed over being accused of abusing faucet with thousands of dollars deposited and lost and largest bets made https://imgur.com/a/1yNi07k
Yes, we got it. You abused the system and have been banned for that. We understand. There's no need to post messages every 10 minutes.Actually, this mentality you're displaying right here is exactly the type of bullshit he's talking about. Get off your smug high horse and go fuck yourself with that attitude.
I am the large depositer being spoken of, it was MY bet that the bug was found on, and I have also now been banned along with will. There's so many things wrong with the situation idk where to even begin so red gulpe and anybody else that is coming at this with a connotation of fraud can right go blow yourselves.
1) I have made dozens of accounts that I, as will stated, will ragequit after I feel there's no more wins to be had on it, and I will use a strong password generator and change the password and burn the account by logging out (this because there is no self-ban feature implemented on these sites, one of the only sites without this feature)
2) this is just the list of ones I remember, but guaranteed there are handfuls more that I don't remember: sameensays, sameensaid, trjv, HonestBudgie146, BestBudgle, PluckyMullet, WesleySnipes, Yousirnayme, WombRaider, ChumBucket, HonestJaguar187, and many more. Each account I have never used referral farming on, each account I have never used two at the same time, and I have spent well into probably about the $50k range across all of them. Each account is at least level 8-15.
3) to call will a fraud and ban him is utter bullshit and just a way for the admins to be able to point the finger and use a scare tactic word as a scapegoat for the complete garbage behavior that is displayed by both mods and admins here. Tell me this: what has been frauded? Where have you been financially exploited by the either of us? It should be us and all the users you have caught in your games that should be calling fraud, but you dot see us accusing you of anything!
4) Claims of fraud against us:
- "faucet abuse" - please, indulge me as to how your gay little faucet has been abused. Have we botted you? Have we used any of these multiple accounts to financially exploit your system and reap any rewards? I know I for damn sure have never not one single time converted tokens and withdrawn, EVER. So enlighten me to where this fraud has taken place.
- "prohibited use of multiple accounts" - this one is good for a lol, because your mods sure like to snuff us out by deleting comments about this one as they point us to "read the rules". Oh believe me, I've read your rules, dozens of times, because its hilarious and assinine to say this is against the rules when there is not one single place anywhere in the rules that mentions the prohibited use of multiple accounts and in fact just by this made up rule not existing your thereby advocate the use of multiple accounts so blow me this ain't a real rule until it's explicitly said otherwise.
5) most mods you have are just fine, but just to explain a bit deeper about the level of corruption maintained by your "higher ups", several months ago I won some litecoin and decided to host an event. I sent a particular mod some litecoin and mysteriously the event was cut short by a considerable amount. I'm not going to mention the name of the mod that did this, but you all know who I'm talking about. The fact that this person is supposed to be upholding a superior status over normal accounts and was allowed to run off with some of this litecoin, then have the audacity to become allowed back and now is again in a mod position <- THAT is fucking fraud right there, in the most heinous representation of what a mod is supposed to be. Is this person banned? Nope! For fucks sake they still haven't even owned up to their mistake and simply apologized for it! You admins have literally just fed into this persons false reality as if they did nothing wrong. To this player - you know exactly what you did, you don't deserve to be a mod, no amount of twiddling or excusing or blaming it on something else (and I am in no way brushing off this "something else" you experienced, it was a horrific event and a miracle you endured through it) but own your mistake and apologize because everybody knows that had nothing to do with this situation. By admins feeding into this fallacy you have done nothing but gotten away with stealing from me, and not once have you apologized or anything. Idgaf about the coin at this point anymore, but simply your careless attitude about it and responses of "I don't have to explain myself to you" and your instantaneous attitude and retorts like "admins have paid back what was lost", (news flash: no they haven't!), "I believed it was my own coin and mistakenly withdrew it", (bullshit! We all watched you bust it and then logout moments later!), "I can't believe somebody would make an account just to harrass me about this" (pffffff puh-lease! You're nothing special to me, you're nobody to me, and I told you from the very first moment after you did it that I would NEVER let you live this down until you apologize for it. This has not happened, not in the months since your inception back into modship, never. So bet your ass I'm gonna remind you about it every single time I see you because it's complete bullshit that you are still a mod and allowed to lie and steal from other players and get away with it).
So I would absolutely love to hear what bullshit reasons and excuses y'all try and have about will or myself committing "fraud" against you, when your representative mods are allowed to commit fraud and u turn a blind eye. The only reason this war began at all was because will slapped your plinko for a big enough win that you got a notification about it and instead of paying what was rightfully fucking won you banned every trace of him and cried wolf about fraud. And now I'm banned as well because im not afraid to speak up about it. That's some bitch ass shit.
I must say that this whole situation from the moment that "Provably Unverified" bet happened, to right now and everything in between has been handled in a way that seems almost panicky from the administrative side. I've been around for a few years now and I've seen some crazy things go down. I can't figure it out yet. The way Z and L chose to handle this and the way they reacted by banning you two on obvious bullsh** was way out of character and doesn't sit right with me. I've seen people that never made a real deposit show up during events with 5 alts all logged in and chatting at the same time and they only received a warning.
You have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that neither of you were abusing the faucet. That shouldn't even be a topic of this conversation. Especially since you've put over $50k into this site and never converted tokens once. Faucets generally distribute cryptocurrency. I wouldn't consider this a faucet at all. It's a shrinking amount of platform tokens.
It's too soon for me to say exactly what I think is happening here.
I really hope Light and Zodiac come forward with a detailed explanation as to why these players have been treated this way. There is more to this story that has not been told. A lot more. Bitvest boasts transparency, I'd hope that this situation is high priority and a comprehensive public statement is made, If in fact, Bitvest is acting in the right or an apology if they are wrong. I hope everything works out for all parties involved in this.
January 21, 2019, 07:00:37 PM
can right go blow yourselves.
For the moment, it doesn't seem to me I'm the one being blown.That's what u felt like responding to? How bout u go gulp a fatty and let the adults talk yeah? None of this has anything to do with you so kindly piss off.
It's funny how quickly somebody else can get paid for submitting a bug that wasn't their finding, and other posts about dumb shit gets answers with a quickness - but for anything involving something with a little gravity all that happens is red gulpin himself off about it and not one single response about anything mentioned.
#boycottbitvest
January 21, 2019, 04:34:07 PM
can right go blow yourselves.
For the moment, it doesn't seem to me I'm the one being blown. January 21, 2019, 04:08:16 PM
these are two of the accounts destroyed over being accused of abusing faucet with thousands of dollars deposited and lost and largest bets made https://imgur.com/a/1yNi07k
Yes, we got it. You abused the system and have been banned for that. We understand. There's no need to post messages every 10 minutes.Actually, this mentality you're displaying right here is exactly the type of bullshit he's talking about. Get off your smug high horse and go fuck yourself with that attitude.
I am the large depositer being spoken of, it was MY bet that the bug was found on, and I have also now been banned along with will. There's so many things wrong with the situation idk where to even begin so red gulpe and anybody else that is coming at this with a connotation of fraud can right go blow yourselves.
1) I have made dozens of accounts that I, as will stated, will ragequit after I feel there's no more wins to be had on it, and I will use a strong password generator and change the password and burn the account by logging out (this because there is no self-ban feature implemented on these sites, one of the only sites without this feature)
2) this is just the list of ones I remember, but guaranteed there are handfuls more that I don't remember: sameensays, sameensaid, trjv, HonestBudgie146, BestBudgle, PluckyMullet, WesleySnipes, Yousirnayme, WombRaider, ChumBucket, HonestJaguar187, and many more. Each account I have never used referral farming on, each account I have never used two at the same time, and I have spent well into probably about the $50k range across all of them. Each account is at least level 8-15.
3) to call will a fraud and ban him is utter bullshit and just a way for the admins to be able to point the finger and use a scare tactic word as a scapegoat for the complete garbage behavior that is displayed by both mods and admins here. Tell me this: what has been frauded? Where have you been financially exploited by the either of us? It should be us and all the users you have caught in your games that should be calling fraud, but you dot see us accusing you of anything!
4) Claims of fraud against us:
- "faucet abuse" - please, indulge me as to how your gay little faucet has been abused. Have we botted you? Have we used any of these multiple accounts to financially exploit your system and reap any rewards? I know I for damn sure have never not one single time converted tokens and withdrawn, EVER. So enlighten me to where this fraud has taken place.
- "prohibited use of multiple accounts" - this one is good for a lol, because your mods sure like to snuff us out by deleting comments about this one as they point us to "read the rules". Oh believe me, I've read your rules, dozens of times, because its hilarious and assinine to say this is against the rules when there is not one single place anywhere in the rules that mentions the prohibited use of multiple accounts and in fact just by this made up rule not existing your thereby advocate the use of multiple accounts so blow me this ain't a real rule until it's explicitly said otherwise.
5) most mods you have are just fine, but just to explain a bit deeper about the level of corruption maintained by your "higher ups", several months ago I won some litecoin and decided to host an event. I sent a particular mod some litecoin and mysteriously the event was cut short by a considerable amount. I'm not going to mention the name of the mod that did this, but you all know who I'm talking about. The fact that this person is supposed to be upholding a superior status over normal accounts and was allowed to run off with some of this litecoin, then have the audacity to become allowed back and now is again in a mod position <- THAT is fucking fraud right there, in the most heinous representation of what a mod is supposed to be. Is this person banned? Nope! For fucks sake they still haven't even owned up to their mistake and simply apologized for it! You admins have literally just fed into this persons false reality as if they did nothing wrong. To this player - you know exactly what you did, you don't deserve to be a mod, no amount of twiddling or excusing or blaming it on something else (and I am in no way brushing off this "something else" you experienced, it was a horrific event and a miracle you endured through it) but own your mistake and apologize because everybody knows that had nothing to do with this situation. By admins feeding into this fallacy you have done nothing but gotten away with stealing from me, and not once have you apologized or anything. Idgaf about the coin at this point anymore, but simply your careless attitude about it and responses of "I don't have to explain myself to you" and your instantaneous attitude and retorts like "admins have paid back what was lost", (news flash: no they haven't!), "I believed it was my own coin and mistakenly withdrew it", (bullshit! We all watched you bust it and then logout moments later!), "I can't believe somebody would make an account just to harrass me about this" (pffffff puh-lease! You're nothing special to me, you're nobody to me, and I told you from the very first moment after you did it that I would NEVER let you live this down until you apologize for it. This has not happened, not in the months since your inception back into modship, never. So bet your ass I'm gonna remind you about it every single time I see you because it's complete bullshit that you are still a mod and allowed to lie and steal from other players and get away with it).
So I would absolutely love to hear what bullshit reasons and excuses y'all try and have about will or myself committing "fraud" against you, when your representative mods are allowed to commit fraud and u turn a blind eye. The only reason this war began at all was because will slapped your plinko for a big enough win that you got a notification about it and instead of paying what was rightfully fucking won you banned every trace of him and cried wolf about fraud. And now I'm banned as well because im not afraid to speak up about it. That's some bitch ass shit.
January 21, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
sorry to bother you sister ..didnt know the allocated time limit on posting..thanks for the info
January 21, 2019, 02:34:27 PM
these are two of the accounts destroyed over being accused of abusing faucet with thousands of dollars deposited and lost and largest bets made https://imgur.com/a/1yNi07k
Yes, we got it. You abused the system and have been banned for that. We understand. There's no need to post messages every 10 minutes. January 21, 2019, 02:12:33 PM
these are two of the accounts destroyed over being accused of abusing faucet with thousands of dollars deposited and lost and largest bets made https://imgur.com/a/1yNi07k
January 21, 2019, 01:34:34 PM
We have identified the cause of this bug. User seeds were being stored 0-padded if their length did not exactly line up with a byte. The actual user seed used on that bet was 2b8022eb2dce9502365dc9ff803315901c84cbeef9ef13595 and not 02b8022eb2dce9502365dc9ff803315901c84cbeef9ef13595. We will be correcting our results page to account for the 0-padding in our storage shortly. This bug does not in any way affect the results of games. Just how we store the user seeds to later show proofs.
We are going offline now for planned hardware upgrades. The expected downtime is about 1 - 1.5 hours.
Planned hardware upgrades?? 15 minutes after a HUGE bug is reported? What are the odds? Were these "planned upgrades" planned 14 minutes before this announcement? The average person might not understand 0-padded seeds. Maybe we can get a better explanation? It seems that the timing here is too close for coincidence. How about just saying, "Thanks for reporting this bug. You really helped us out. We'll be going offline till it's fixed. Sorry for the downtime". Whatever happened with the person that discovered it originally? I haven't seen his account in chat since this happened.
January 21, 2019, 01:24:02 PM
well, sir this is because i have been banned and muted and labled a fraud .its funny that ive played here every day about 6 to 10 hours daily active on chat for over a year know all the mods and regular users personally and most know me by my first name will.the mods know the alt accounts i use and know i dont abuse them for rain or events.and i dont hide anything .veleten , furl, badger,lori,and etude all know me as will and address me as that.but since i found that bet i was approached suspiciously and my accounts were all rendered useless and i was muted in chat .sure i have several accounts and most over level 8 and i do have a couple i share with a user that is a large depositer who would rage quit and destroy his accounts and i asked him to give me control over them and we share these ...to destroy accounts which ive invested many hours and several btc and altcoins and deposited thousands is a bit much for the accusation of ive used the faucet on more than one account.the thing is ive not done anything differently in the last year except find this bad bet ...you explain this to me sir.
January 20, 2019, 01:11:07 AM
We have identified the cause of this bug. User seeds were being stored 0-padded if their length did not exactly line up with a byte. The actual user seed used on that bet was 2b8022eb2dce9502365dc9ff803315901c84cbeef9ef13595 and not 02b8022eb2dce9502365dc9ff803315901c84cbeef9ef13595. We will be correcting our results page to account for the 0-padding in our storage shortly. This bug does not in any way affect the results of games. Just how we store the user seeds to later show proofs.
We are going offline now for planned hardware upgrades. The expected downtime is about 1 - 1.5 hours.
Planned hardware upgrades?? 15 minutes after a HUGE bug is reported? What are the odds? Were these "planned upgrades" planned 14 minutes before this announcement? The average person might not understand 0-padded seeds. Maybe we can get a better explanation? It seems that the timing here is too close for coincidence. How about just saying, "Thanks for reporting this bug. You really helped us out. We'll be going offline till it's fixed. Sorry for the downtime". Whatever happened with the person that discovered it originally? I haven't seen his account in chat since this happened.
Well, zodiac investigated it and determined it just a few hours, before the hardware upgrade. Pushed out both the updates, along with the announcements around the same time.
Disk I/O improved by 500-600%, and disk latency, from switching to a top tier nvme data center drive.
January 19, 2019, 10:19:52 PM
We have identified the cause of this bug. User seeds were being stored 0-padded if their length did not exactly line up with a byte. The actual user seed used on that bet was 2b8022eb2dce9502365dc9ff803315901c84cbeef9ef13595 and not 02b8022eb2dce9502365dc9ff803315901c84cbeef9ef13595. We will be correcting our results page to account for the 0-padding in our storage shortly. This bug does not in any way affect the results of games. Just how we store the user seeds to later show proofs.
We are going offline now for planned hardware upgrades. The expected downtime is about 1 - 1.5 hours.
Planned hardware upgrades?? 15 minutes after a HUGE bug is reported? What are the odds? Were these "planned upgrades" planned 14 minutes before this announcement? The average person might not understand 0-padded seeds. Maybe we can get a better explanation? It seems that the timing here is too close for coincidence. How about just saying, "Thanks for reporting this bug. You really helped us out. We'll be going offline till it's fixed. Sorry for the downtime". Whatever happened with the person that discovered it originally? I haven't seen his account in chat since this happened.
January 16, 2019, 01:41:42 PM
Rainbot tipped off with 1.5 Million tokens, 1 token = 1 satoshi conversion rate. Refer to the account tab for the exchange of tokens to crypto coins of btc, ltc, eth, bch, dogecoin
Don't miss it
Don't miss it
January 13, 2019, 01:39:18 AM
What's up guys ? Anybody participated in the event on 11th? I heard it was fun .
Anyway , promo tipped the bot and much left still.
Anyway , promo tipped the bot and much left still.
Bonus Rain: 111,761 tokens!
January 11, 2019, 01:11:28 PM
Chat event starting in 20 minutes!
Over 500,000 tokens and 5,000 DOGE to be given away!
Over 500,000 tokens and 5,000 DOGE to be given away!
January 10, 2019, 11:29:29 PM
I see nothing unusual or incorrect about those results.
Well its probably as u said
im on mobile and was just stunned when it showed like this. sorry
http://prntscr.com/m5nu4h
January 10, 2019, 11:27:43 PM
1/11/2019
http://bitvest.io/results?query=77855742&game=plinko
this gotta be a mistake.
and investors might be at considerable loss.
in mobile right now but will put image as soon as i get home.
http://bitvest.io/results?query=77855742&game=plinko
this gotta be a mistake.
and investors might be at considerable loss.
in mobile right now but will put image as soon as i get home.
If you can't handle a 0.1BTC loss against a 1600BTC+ virtual bankroll (0.00625% loss), maybe you shouldn't be investing in casinos.
January 10, 2019, 11:23:21 PM
I see nothing unusual or incorrect about those results.
January 10, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
1/11/2019
http://bitvest.io/results?query=77855742&game=plinko
this gotta be a mistake.
and investors might be at considerable loss.
in mobile right now but will put image as soon as i get home.
http://bitvest.io/results?query=77855742&game=plinko
this gotta be a mistake.
and investors might be at considerable loss.
in mobile right now but will put image as soon as i get home.
January 10, 2019, 04:02:10 AM
I just realized we are beyond the 77,777,777th Plinko play, and I think the payout doesnt quite match the result.
I don't know if this is before the maintenance or after.
source:
https://bitvest.io/results?query=77777777&game=plinko
I don't know if this is before the maintenance or after.
source:
https://bitvest.io/results?query=77777777&game=plinko
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