Topic: BK8 is a big Scamsite - page 3. (Read 1005 times)

Oh no no, you are referring to this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64422696. You suggested that the user create a scam thread because he was having a problem withdrawing due to a special circumstance (he went back to the EU, etc.). This is not the forum's domain to solve, but more of a BK8 Support problem. I was just saying that not every issue must be posted here, as this is not a casino support board. Also, users must be aware that the only BK8 support on this forum is @BK8.Official; anyone else offering "help" must be treated with caution.

For scam accusations, though, feel free to help solve the case. I personally highly appreciate any fellow members who are active in solving cases for free. Your (and fellow scam busters') contributions are valuable to the community.

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Based on my experience, @Thuytrang1987, your problem is KYC. When you deposit let's say X and withdraw 10X, the possibility is only (1) you're extremely lucky, or (2) you're cheating the system. Therefore KYC is common (especially if you activated any promotion) and if you fail KYC you'll be automatically put into the cheater basket. Hence multiple ToS clauses will be put on you. Thus it will go back to the debate whether or not your identity is valid. Which

I'm not a dad [yet], LOL. But thank you for having me in your mind, it means a lot for me.

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This thread has come to my radar for a while [as I haunt this board and sweep it on daily basis, thus there is small to zero chance I am not aware of new cases and/or not reading them unless I deliberately do so] but I deliberately leave this thread alone¹ and only gave them a read now, out of curiosity, and didn't realize that my service was asked since the mention failed to reach me. Otherwise, I'll jump in right away the second TG pinged me [not blaming you or anything, Coin_trader, in fact, I really appreciate your gesture, just explaining why I didn't come right away once I am hailed as how I usually do]

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Moving to the topic, BK8.Official, not that I [or perhaps other DT members] didn't want to help verifying, but these attempt to prove that an evidence was fabricated and DTs' help was asked by casino rep. to validate their findings has been made many times in the past. However, the general understanding for each and every one of those request were that it'll be a very heavy burden to the DT who validate the evidence.

Not only they most likely don't have a means to decide whether a document is valid or fabricated, on previous case [a very old one] where someone actually dared to jump and help, he's very close to get a backlash; the case went verified by an ADR instead of the DT, and the player accuses that the mediator is in bed with the casino. And this is an ADR who validate the casino's findings. CG, if not AG.

It's not that hard to imagine what will that cheating user will say and do and all if the one validate it was that poor DT instead.

So... is it possible to resort to a video KYC where the player shows his ID [thus, you can see that the ID is the same as the player who hold it] and you have some interview with them?

I'll advise us to try this before we jump to DT verifying the proof. Let's use that as a very last resort. And... suppose... suppose that we have to go that way, I'll mull over to be of service. In the meantime, please heavily consider the video verification.

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Anyway, several trivial things to clarify and address in general:

First, evidence in foreign language [vietnamese in this case], a friendly tips [not trying to sound patronizing and being a smart ass, just sharing a very neat trick] Google have this very useful APK called "Lens". It's basically Google translate on steroid. You can hover your camera to probably anything and they'll automatically show the text in english [or other preferred language]. You can also upload an image instead of hovering your camera, and it'll provide you similar result. And works as an OCR too. As well as giving you a Google search result for the image you took. Have I mentioned steroid?

Second, about weird link, though it's already proved that it is indeed their official link, but perhaps a little explanation [from what I know so far] will be a good thing for future reference and an addition of trivial fact on readers' mind; FAIK, many online casino who operates in SEA countries, whose law prohibit gambling activities, do this trick to slip away from their govt. who actively censored and shut down sites.

As a result, online casinos has a lot of these "burner sites". They have a landing page who will bounce their player through several sites before redirect them to the working one. [source: not "trust me, bro", I actually have a conversation with and an explanation from a Cambodian casino owner about these... weird names --that basically didn't even reflect the name of their casino-- when they asked for some help]

It's just a practice of hypocrisy at its finest; the govt prohibit gambling activities and actively purging gambling sites while their legislative and consecutive staffs, the one who literally made and enforced these laws, actually played some. IIRC there was this case of an Indonesian councilwoman who caught on CCTV played slot during their council meeting. She said it was candy crush, and 9gag jumped to ridicule her, she's quite a topic for a few days on that platform.

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¹ so umm... why don't I jump into this case the first time it appeared on the scam accusations board and leave them for days, not even touching them?

Well, I previously tried to extend my hand and help a situation happened with a player and this casino, asking them to provide proof to validate the claim and perhaps to move the case to this board, where it better fits the nature of their post. Instead, I got a very hard slap that wake me up, that I am no one, and that my help is quite likely not needed [or welcomed].

So, not wanting to step on anyone's toe [because apparently, not everyone wear a steel-toed boots like me] by trying to mediate a situation where I am not invited [and hey, I already have a lot of cases with casinos on my plate, so I think shying away from one casino will actually do me a favor] I deliberately made myself scarce from anything related to this casino... until I am being summoned.

After all, I am nothing but a humble servant of this forum, LOL.

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Edit: OP actually showcased that superpower of Lens that I mentioned on earlier paragraph. His screenshots above is actually the original and the translated version of the conversation. If I may re-arrange the order:


I can vouch that the translated version matched with the one I got.

sure bro. You can see here. But only VietNamese.!
I use google translate .
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/09/03/9BmZd.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/09/03/9BGpI.jpeg

First they accused me cheating to defeat their system.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/09/03/9BScb.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/09/03/9BZ0v.jpeg

Now they said fake KYC.
See and think that. They dont want to pay for the winner. Only want take money from the players.
That is all! Scam site

Can you provide screenshot of their support accused you of cheating? Tried to browse your  proof of conversion but it’s written in Vietnamese which is very hard to understand or translate.

@tranthidung maybe you can help us here to verify the content of the screenshot on proof of this scam thread.

Everyone let see!
First their support said I cheat the live game to win.
 Now They change . Tell me fake KYC. LOL
So who is scammer here?
I dont fake KYC. No Fake ID.
My ID is legit . Approved by VietNam goverment. It can be check by Zalo app or other app from the goverment. I have eviden my ID and KYC is legit. Dont tell lies.
Do you want send a staff meet up with me and check my ID.? BK8 is a scam site or me ?
only your scam site tell all not trust.  
I registered with my phone number. Dont tell lies. If i loss money when play game. Nothing happend.
But I won money. That is the problem. Your site dont want to pay for the winner.

I dont need the profit from the game. I want to my money back. If you site is fairplay and not scam.
But I think Never . Bk8 in VietNam is scam site. BK8 is working without allow from VietNam goverment. And Scam the players. That is all!

I will post ad BK8 VietNam is big scam in Facebook ad. Warning for all players in VietNam stay away this scam site.!
Stolent my money and lock my account easy. But The gamblers will block your scam site in future. Many and many. ! Let wait! and see the Domino in VietNam. Nobody want join with the scam bookmarker like BK8

Again, there is no issue with with your game play, fake KYC is your issue

How come we notice you if you haven't submit KYC before?
Of course, if you submit KYC when registering and we found something wrong then we will block you earlier.

I will send the proof via PM to DT Members

Live games is indeed very hard to cheat but that’s not the issue anymore here since they are accusing you of forging your KYC which is a serious violation on any casino or even the  law.

If you are confident that you really submit legit ID then you should agree to the Bk8 proposal to let trusted 3rd party check your documents. This is the only way to solve your case.

If he DT-1, feel free to go.

KYC is being triggered because he has an unusual transaction. Could be there is some problem with the deposit he was made, and trying to use a fake or Edited ID) and submitted to BK8. Now, if you have something criminal activity mostly you are gonna use third parties to cash out + Edited/Fake ID to verification. Do you want to use your real ID while you commit crime? off course not right.

Just speculation:
- The ID or Verification data was Edited (Like photoshop, he added ID to the picture) and getting caught
- Fake ID (The ID is not following how to the ID looks like for Vietname)

Yaps, should like what you said. Must be same with the previous data.

Hi bro. Dont trust this Scam sites. I dont fake identity. Cause Iam Vietnamese . I have no reason to do that.
I deposite money by my bank account and crypto too.
All the scammers said that is not true. If my account have problem. Why they notice immediatly. I played game 1 day. Then I make withdraw.
No problem from me. They dont want pay for the winner. That is all
My ID can be check or meet me anywhere . I think these scammers wont do that.
I dont have free time to tell with all people here. . Only want play live casino with a trust bookmarker. But unlucky I met a scam site.!

Players cant cheat  with bookmarkers. Live casino. Nerver.!
I reported this scamsite to other groups in VietNam. There are many people like me. Mean Iam not a problem.
They are Scammers


If they are trust and fairplay. They will notice to me about my account and refund my deposite money. But they dont >>>>>They are scammer and robbers

I hope credible DT that has experienced on this matter hence @holydadkness can handle this case.

Your explanation nows contradict to the general description of the OP about his case. I’m confused on why he needs to fake his identity while is playing in Vietnam mirror link while he is a Vietnamese. There’s no reason to fake identity since he is a Vietnam resident.

Will you allow if the user submit another type of valid ID but should be the same info on the previous one that he submit to make sure that he telling the truth?

It can be a problem if a stolen credit card is used or another way of unauthorized use of someone else's bank account.

It is possible to buy someone's personal data for KYC verification for a small amount of money. Here is an example https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/verificationskyc-5506738
I assume that the problem arose in the difference between the documents of the person submitted for KYC and the data of the person from whose bank account the deposit was made.

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note to @ryzaadit, no need to repeat the BK8.Official post, we can all see it. 

Now, the problem is out. The reason lock is not because:
- Win
- Vietnamese restricted
- The games he was playing
As you explained

But, he got locked due to unusual transactions on his account and BK8 requested KYC but his KYC was probably fake or edited and BK8 caught him (the account locked cause is committed fraud by submitting fake/edited KYC) after he doing KYC.

Deposit with Bank/Crypto is always never a problem. The problem is while your source of fund being made to platform have unusual activity, every platform/casino (not only BK8) will ask you to do KYC. Plus, If you tried to fake it mostly you will get banned (not only in here, but on every platform like Exchange, Casino and other financial platform).

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Does any volunteer from DT-1 member want to verify? BK8 is also offering trusted members to verify due to cannot share private information in a public cause under NDA.

In conclusion on these problem: I mostly will trust with BK8, quite simple because during the thread out and discussion the user have weird act from my perspective while most of members asked maybe some detail case with his chat log between him and BK8 + he just spamming out "scam" post and somethings like these (most common things in gambling industry) for tactic to release his fund.

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It's gonna my last post, cause the user it self since beginning make it complicated. Don't want dealing with complicated user, since the truth problem is out.

Hi Every one. Let see this. As i said before. They are really scam site. I sent my documents. But they said my documents fake. That is not true. My document is legit. Can check by any way.
BK8 allow deposit with cypto and bank. That is not problem. I can deposit any amount i want.  And I play all game fair.
My ID is approved by the Viet Nam Govement. And it not fake. It can be check. All BK8 said not true, and lies...
They know players in VietNam cant do anything with them. They only give bullshits reason to take money from the players.
So let stay away this fuck bookmaker: BK8 . Dont like me. Loss money and cant do anything to them. They know and understand that!
BK8 is working with not license of goverment in VietNam.
That is why they can lock and take money from Players
Stay away this scam site.!
My warning send to all players in Asia .
I reported to all Live casino group in VietNam about this fuck bookmaker. And many players like me. They locked and took money from other players and share that money to their team.
They have many reports in VietNam. But all players like me cant can anything  to them. Only warning to other players

Hi everyone,

As you already know, I was previously able to return users' deposits as long as the ToS violation wasn't too severe. This time, I also fought with the decision-makers to get what users wanted. However, this case is different. Here's what happened:
- Our system detected suspicious transactions from the user in question.
- Which we risk him for monitoring is due to his suspicious behavior, FTD a small amount by crypto then following with big deposit by bank (Fiat), hence we request KYC, but we found out KYC is fraud his suspicious level go high hence we suspend him according our procedure.
- The user failed to provide valid documents; in fact, the images provided were either (1) fake documents or (2) doctored. I cannot provide more details about this due to privacy concerns and the sensitive nature of the documents*.
- Therefore, we proceeded to terminate the account according to our ToS:
"15.1 The Company reserves the right in its sole and absolute discretion to void any winnings, freeze and forfeit any balance in your account, and/or to deactivate your account without cause at any time including, without limitation, if:
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v. you have failed to provide the identification information upon request;"

We take KYC issues very seriously, as per regulations, and attempting to use false identification is a crime. The team is confident in their decision and won't make any adjustments, so I cannot support you further in this case.

*Since the evidence is covered by an NDA, I can't share it in public areas, but I will share it with DT members or trusted members in this forum via PM (if needed).

yeah. thank you. Iam waitting from them.
Hopefully they will fairplay and pay back my money

Instead of talking BS about them although its easier said then done to me, but if i were you, i will take my time to wait their representative to respond here again with the details and reason why your account get locked, so i suggest you to wait more. And replying on their ann thread to respond here might help.

Sure brother. Many other bookmarkers trust and fairplay than BK8. They said they will check it. But nothing now. My money will lost 99.9%
They dont want to pay for the winner, Take money from players and lock their account.

Bro, I want you to be confident. I hope you’ll boldly say something like, "I can definitely cheat to win at Baccarat." I’m willing to fly to Vietnam to meet you and pay you an amount equivalent to 10 times that of Bk8, and I even think 10 times might be too little. However, I almost believe that this possibility no longer exists, hahaha, all sorts of cases exist! There are more professional platforms for Baccarat and Blackjack; there’s no need to waste your brainpower and money on such platforms. I used to be a Baccarat player myself, and it’s like being addicted to drugs. It’s not that I’ve quit, but rather that I’m afraid of it.

What happened from this conversation, is there any progress?

To BK8.Official, if the user ^{Thuytrang1987} did anything that goes against your rules, you should post it here. Otherwise, we get the impression that you are withholding his money unjustifiably.

We cannot claim this, for now, we only have your ^incomplete version of the story.

exactly bro. cant cheat live bacarat and blackjack. That is why i told BK8 is a scam site