Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 151.

tracyhh

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Quote from: tracyhh on June 09, 2014, 09:50:49 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on June 09, 2014, 09:34:35 PM

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I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

Just curious, why did you preorder from a company in china which said no refunds?

I shall never buy preorder or something like this..I can easily and safely buy the same machine in cheaper price than BA in China and most important is :it's stock miner..I can get very quickly...but,now...BA didn't send me my order and refuse my refund...

honestly, I thought BA is serious company in miners...but now, I don't think so, at least...they should accept customer's refund request if they are a good and responsible company...they said if they refund me, what about the products already or in productions...that make me laugh...if their products are good enough..they can sell them to other customer who want to buy their products.unless, they already knows they can't sell their products to other customers because no one will buy them and they are not competitiveness in the market now...

it's shame...I trusted BA before...really...not just because I am chinese....

bitmain and other company are selling miner in cheaper price now...(in stock)..I shall buy in stock miner not preorder....BA,,please refund me ,get my money back and also compensate for all this...

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Quote from: tracyhh on June 09, 2014, 09:50:49 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on June 09, 2014, 09:34:35 PM

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I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

Just curious, why did you preorder from a company in china which said no refunds?

I shall never buy preorder or something like this..I can easily and safely buy the same machine in cheaper price than BA in China and most important is :it's stock miner..I can get very quickly...but,now...BA didn't send me my order and refuse my refund...

honestly, I thought BA is serious company in miners...but now, I don't think so, at least...they should accept customer's refund request if they are a good and responsible company...they said if they refund me, what about the products already or in productions...that make me laugh...if their products are good enough..they can sell them to other customer who want to buy their products.unless, they already knows they can't sell their products to other customers because no one will buy them and they are not competitiveness in the market now...

it's shame...I trusted BA before...really...not just because I am chinese....

honestly, I am a graduate student...I really need money to support my life...first, I just want to make some money buy some gifts to my parents..but now...I am been cheated...I lost all my money..it's really a big amounts...I don't know what to do...I even can't pay school fees....and I am not tell my parents for now...I just don't want them worried.but maybe,they will know this someday I really can't support my life..they also have to call police and take this company to court...or ask for help from net and society....
I also not tell this to my partners...I don't think bitcoin should like this...cheating... that may make bitcoin died if lose trust....

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 09, 2014, 09:34:35 PM

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I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

Just curious, why did you preorder from a company in china which said no refunds?

I shall never buy preorder or something like this..I can easily and safely buy the same machine in cheaper price than BA in China and most important is :it's stock miner..I can get very quickly...but,now...BA didn't send me my order and refuse my refund...

honestly, I thought BA is serious company in miners...but now, I don't think so, at least...they should accept customer's refund request if they are a good and responsible company...they said if they refund me, what about the products already or in productions...that make me laugh...if their products are good enough..they can sell them to other customer who want to buy their products.unless, they already knows they can't sell their products to other customers because no one will buy them and they are not competitiveness in the market now...

it's shame...I trusted BA before...really...not just because I am chinese....

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I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

Just curious, why did you preorder from a company in china which said no refunds?

tracyhh

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Quote from: coolmusic on June 09, 2014, 01:01:14 AM

Quote from: tracyhh on June 08, 2014, 10:04:24 PM

It's crime..so I choose to call police in China, this may easy,they will actually deal this case from last week...

I am in China

but what you claimed? theft? scam?
can you please post a copy of the complaint?
which payment method you used?
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by the way..until now..I have not been told which day I can receive my order?and also, they refused my refund..what? I shall still wait...wait...unit...2015...2016...2050? Huh

always waiting???....you tell me..

tracyhh

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Quote from: coolmusic on June 09, 2014, 01:01:14 AM

Quote from: tracyhh on June 08, 2014, 10:04:24 PM

It's crime..so I choose to call police in China, this may easy,they will actually deal this case from last week...

I am in China

but what you claimed? theft? scam?
can you please post a copy of the complaint?
which payment method you used?
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claimed: "非法集资"，“商业诈骗”, and when these relevance to bitcoin business..it's serious to Chinese Goverment..it just depends on how many people be cheated and the amount of money...

I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

yes, if make them to court is expensive..but,when victims are so many..1.we can share the fees..2.that will pay the goverment's attention.. it's serious..

even if all these failed...I can exposure this company to media,dig and find out the boss of this company...let other customer not buy products from this cheating company and avoid being cheating by BA....

anyway, I am taking actions..not waiting...

how about you Huh

sorry,but are you work for BA? Huh

?

Unacceptable

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Quote from: lajz99 on June 09, 2014, 06:50:36 PM

Black Arrow + bobsag3 = Bad Deal

Not surprising he's got a unit to show and nobody else does yet...also not surprising the unit doesn't run as expected... You know what they call people who don't learn from their mistakes?

BFL customers Huh

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Black Arrow + bobsag3 = Bad Deal

Not surprising he's got a unit to show and nobody else does yet...also not surprising the unit doesn't run as expected... You know what they call people who don't learn from their mistakes?

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Quote from: ghcannon on June 09, 2014, 06:14:17 PM

The thing in your sig, two of them, and an ant miner

Good choice! Thank you.

ghcannon

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The thing in your sig, two of them, and an ant miner

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Quote from: ghcannon on June 09, 2014, 06:02:39 PM

I spent 12k USD today on competitor hardware.
I may not have made the best choice but I sure didn't make the worst ..

The hashboard x3 issues sound like a problem that should have been well known a long time ago.
Even if it's not trivial to fix.

What you got?

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Quote from: thomas_s on June 09, 2014, 04:55:19 PM

He's not trolling, BA has come on the forums, said the problem they have and offered to pay anyone who could solve it. You said that it was a simple fix, david is asking you to tell them how to fix it (don't forget you get paid to fix it).

It's a troll because they have completely ignored the information requests of anyone interested in fixing it, the mention of recruiting people from the community was just a PR-stunt in one of their "next week" updates. Furthermore, in what universe did BA have a right to even exist as a manufacturer if they can't even perform the most basic possible design goals within the massively-forgiving window of time they've had so far.

Worst part by far is lying about ... practically everything. From the initial dates, through the tapeout, to the 'shipping starts next week' fiasco. Now they're shipping their weakest product - well thanks a lot, but based several parameters at the time of purchase I will be looking at an ROI within a year (no fiat involved so BTC price is irrelevant).

I spent 12k USD today on competitor hardware.
I may not have made the best choice but I sure didn't make the worst ..

The hashboard x3 issues sound like a problem that should have been well known a long time ago.
Even if it's not trivial to fix.

Someone tell these Chinese guys that if this is how u make business in China, it doesn't really work for the rest of the world. No sane customer that spends 5 minutes to check on the company history before spending some $6k will purchase anything.

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Quote from: sorehammer on June 09, 2014, 02:23:14 PM

Bobsag3 what purpose does the usb port serve ?

Wifi, Firmware Upgrades etc... USB is pretty much standard on every board out there now days, might as well put them on for future use. Who knows they might release a future miners that are USB only and can be ran off of the X1.

Anyone know if Touch screen will be available for upgrade in the future if you receive a Rpi version?

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Geek

BA has stated to me that they will ship out orders of ordering/payment. If this user has order #576 there are a lot of people on here (including myself) who are order numbers a lot less than this who have heard nothing so I am confused.

BA.. are orders sent out in Order or Payment/Ordering? and if so why was Order #576 send before all the rest (or is this user not telling the truth?)

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So, is it refund time yet Tongue

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Quote from: david105396 on June 09, 2014, 03:49:28 PM

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Quote from: david105396 on June 08, 2014, 10:07:31 PM

You can be angry and say basically whatever you like. However we don't like people who are rude and abusive.

There is nothing that any irate customer could possibly say to you that is more rude and abusive than Black Arrow's conduct and performance. Case in point, this completely insane article making incredible claims about future product lines, when Black Arrow isn't even capable of ironing out the most entry level serial communications systems that even an intelligent hobbyist can do. There is literally no actual shipment-ready product confirmed in the 28nm line (other than purchasing the ASIC chips themselves at reduced prices now that indicate some kind of quick liquidation) , yet somehow it's acceptable for the company to talk like this to the press and general public:

http://bitcoinexaminer.org/alex-berk-black-arrow-as-soon-as-14nm-is-available-well-release-a-new-asic-that-will-outperform-any-other-14nm-designs/

Please contact me if you think you can solve the backplane problems. I will then discuss if it is possible for you to come solve it.

That's not how it works, we paid your company money to do it. So go and do it, instead of trolling your customers in this manner. Once you're capable of doing the job that your customers paid you money to do, feel free to go ahead and talk like this, otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself as an organization.

He's not trolling, BA has come on the forums, said the problem they have and offered to pay anyone who could solve it. You said that it was a simple fix, david is asking you to tell them how to fix it (don't forget you get paid to fix it).

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Quote from: bobsag3 on June 09, 2014, 02:38:47 PM

At current clock, 143w. Fan uses ~7.5W, Rpi uses ~7.5w, so ~128 for the actual miner, not bad. Power consumption will be significantly better on the controller models, as the pis are not configured to change voltage, as well as beta software.

Humm Rpi should only use ~2.5W? But I guess you may loose some from the AC/DC conversion.
What power supply was provided for the Rpi? Just a Micro USB charger? or are you powering off of the USB from the Miner itself?

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Quote from: f00Fighter on June 09, 2014, 11:46:31 AM

Double post from ecointalk.org. But yay.

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> Your order has been completed. Thank you for choosing us.

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Order #576
   Status: Complete
   Date: 08 Nov 2013, 16:05
   Payment method: Bank Transfer
   Shipping method: DHL

I'm not sure where I stood in the queue, although I am fairly certain that I ordered quite early and paid ASAP. (I have a fuzzy memory of reading somewhere that payment arrival date might matter.)

(Disclaimer: I also let customer support know, just in case it might matter, that nothing else was relevant to me -- case or no case, Pi or no Pi, LCD or no LCD, GUI or no GUI, PSU or no PSU... just as long as it would hash at anything near the stated rate, I would accept it. I cannot say if my "anything that hashes" request influenced anything from a shipment perspective.)

I will report back as soon as I receive notice from DHL, and of course as soon as I get the shipment cleared in customs and the hardware out of the box. Could take a while, still.

Well if he/she is order #576
I ordered my first one on 12/14/2013 and that order is #1197
Then ordered a 2nd one on 04/29/2014 to get the 3rd free one Order #2411
3rd PSU on 05/11/2014 Order #2789

So from Nov 08 to Dec 14 they had ~621 orders counting cancellation etc...
Then from Dec 14 to April 29 they had ~1214
and April 29 - May 11 ~378

But this is all orders not just Black Arrow Miners.

So there are a lot of Orders from Nov 08 to Dec 14 ~621 in 5 weeks.

So if anyone else gets a shipment it would be cool to tell us your order number so we have an Idea of approximately when we are next.

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Quote from: david105396 on June 09, 2014, 03:49:28 PM

Actually the next step is 14nm, early 2015

Early 2015+ the obligatory 8 month delay.

You heard it first here, last quarter 2015, early 2016 for 14nm! Or was that the big surprise that we were all supposed to be so happy to hear. That by their own admission, this batch was just a dry run for them funded with the money of hopeful miners. Nice. Real great press release, just in time to get another batch of suckers to fund something else.

Why anyone with half a brain would ever consider black arrow again with the amount of COMPETENT competition that exists out there is beyond me.

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Quote from: david105396 on June 08, 2014, 10:07:31 PM

You can be angry and say basically whatever you like. However we don't like people who are rude and abusive.

There is nothing that any irate customer could possibly say to you that is more rude and abusive than Black Arrow's conduct and performance. Case in point, this completely insane article making incredible claims about future product lines, when Black Arrow isn't even capable of ironing out the most entry level serial communications systems that even an intelligent hobbyist can do. There is literally no actual shipment-ready product confirmed in the 28nm line (other than purchasing the ASIC chips themselves at reduced prices now that indicate some kind of quick liquidation) , yet somehow it's acceptable for the company to talk like this to the press and general public:

http://bitcoinexaminer.org/alex-berk-black-arrow-as-soon-as-14nm-is-available-well-release-a-new-asic-that-will-outperform-any-other-14nm-designs/

Please contact me if you think you can solve the backplane problems. I will then discuss if it is possible for you to come solve it.

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Quote from: david105396 on June 08, 2014, 10:07:31 PM

You can be angry and say basically whatever you like. However we don't like people who are rude and abusive.

There is nothing that any irate customer could possibly say to you that is more rude and abusive than Black Arrow's conduct and performance. Case in point, this completely insane article making incredible claims about future product lines, when Black Arrow isn't even capable of ironing out the most entry level serial communications systems that even an intelligent hobbyist can do. There is literally no actual shipment-ready product confirmed in the 28nm line (other than purchasing the ASIC chips themselves at reduced prices now that indicate some kind of quick liquidation) , yet somehow it's acceptable for the company to talk like this to the press and general public:

http://bitcoinexaminer.org/alex-berk-black-arrow-as-soon-as-14nm-is-available-well-release-a-new-asic-that-will-outperform-any-other-14nm-designs/

"Prospero X3 is a monster"

he clearly knows absolutely nothing about this industry. the next step is 16nm.
I am glad that tracyhh has gotten the police involved, it's way beyond the time this should have happened.

As for the comments regarding rude customers; it's not the place of the seller to act in such a manner. These methods are also illegal.

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Quote from: Majixagi on June 08, 2014, 03:50:47 PM

I'd avoid making it easy to identify who you are between your order number and you user name here. They are being vindictive about people who are anything but positive about them.

Same with BFL, I can't post anything without it being reviewed by a Moderator and nothing has managed to get through to being posted, not even a calm post so I doubt they are even looking at them so I guess I'm banned. Funny thing is, I don't even know what I did to get banned. No communication at all from them.

You can be angry and say basically whatever you like. However we don't like people who are rude and abusive.

It's called 'showing professional prejudice.' David, you should know better, as a professional entity, you are not entitled to express such opinion.
bring it down.

Actually the next step is 14nm, early 2015

Quote from: Vcore on June 09, 2014, 02:26:32 AM

david105396 as you will get your miner soon I am very interested in some information.

The relationship between temperature and overclocking.
The relationship between vcore (not me lol) and overclocking.
The relationship between temperature and power consumption.

If there is enough overhead in the stock heatsink you could test it by controlling the fan manually and setting it to the maximum. If there isn't it will also be interesting.

My guesses are that overclocking will be heavily dependent on temperature a midly on voltage hitting thermal limits with slight increases on vcc while on stock cooling, I also think that it is quite likelly that there is a significant decrease in power consumtion with decreased temperatures. For those things to be really noticeable we need at least 20ºC of difference.

That information would really help us extracting the best overclocking and or getting a better hash/w. I am building a custom cooling and it would help me quite a bit.
Also, what is the maximum overclocking and voltage that the interface/hardware lets you set? (even if it will never reach it with aircooling it might with water or phase change and what could be reached could determine what kind of cooling is worth).

These are the test I also plan to perform.

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