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sionsandman

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Quote from: hgerson on August 19, 2014, 07:43:23 PM

How do these phones deal with cell tower triangulation tracking and wifi triangulation tracking?

What other alternatives exist for tower triangulation tracking and wifi tracking?

Satellite phones? Grin

Which ones are better for privacy? Thuraya, iridium or inmarsat?

Some voip-cell configuration?

I thought of one app that may already exist but I haven't found it yet that would work like this:

Phone A dial a number a number of phone B you want to call in the app.

The app initiates a conference call between A and B from an unknown offshore location.

Nobody including the network could see that A called B. If both A and B support call encryption even better.

I thought of another feature that might help:

This has to be made with dual-sim or multi-sim phone.

The phone should switch from sim to sim (of different networks) from time to time and even in the middle of conversations. Changing sim would force it to change tower. Maintain the conversation while changing towers would be the challenge here.

Besides that the phone should be able to switch from the strongest signal tower to the second strongest.

If this exist in a consumer ready product I buy Grin

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this

I'd buy this! Tongue

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Quote from: b!z on August 20, 2014, 04:50:57 PM

what if they are one and the same?

Who? Hackers and government?

I should have meant that I'm more afraid of governments than hackers but I want privacy from them all.

b!z

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Quote from: hgerson on August 20, 2014, 04:49:10 PM

Quote from: Lauda on August 20, 2014, 06:48:18 AM

Quote from: sionsandman on August 20, 2014, 06:43:13 AM

Quote from: Lauda on August 19, 2014, 07:50:47 PM

Seems like blackberry is still the king of security?

Why?

I've read that more than once but never seen an explanation.

What features/apps make bb more secure than android/ios phones?

I've done some research and found stuff like this:

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RIM has focused on security since they started making the Blackberry. They have encryption built-in, and a bunch of features that help IT guys to manage a corporation's phones. They can be remotely wiped if you lose it in a cab, and since RIM focuses on corporate-features (like a Blackberry server that ties into Microsoft Exchange), it's just a better-managed platform than Android (which is like the wild west) or the iPhone (which is like the evil Empire).

You could also read something about it here http://us.blackberry.com/business/enterprise-mobility/mobile-security.html
and http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/safe-smartphone-319581

Thanks for the links.

I understand why they say it's safer.

But then the question is: safer from whom?

I'm sure BB sleeps in the same bed of NSA and others so that doesn't make it safe for me.

I'm not afraid of hackers. I'm afraid of the government!

Wink

what if they are one and the same?

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Quote from: Lauda on August 20, 2014, 06:48:18 AM

Quote from: sionsandman on August 20, 2014, 06:43:13 AM

Quote from: Lauda on August 19, 2014, 07:50:47 PM

Seems like blackberry is still the king of security?

Why?

I've read that more than once but never seen an explanation.

What features/apps make bb more secure than android/ios phones?

I've done some research and found stuff like this:

Quote

RIM has focused on security since they started making the Blackberry. They have encryption built-in, and a bunch of features that help IT guys to manage a corporation's phones. They can be remotely wiped if you lose it in a cab, and since RIM focuses on corporate-features (like a Blackberry server that ties into Microsoft Exchange), it's just a better-managed platform than Android (which is like the wild west) or the iPhone (which is like the evil Empire).

You could also read something about it here http://us.blackberry.com/business/enterprise-mobility/mobile-security.html
and http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/safe-smartphone-319581

Thanks for the links.

I understand why they say it's safer.

But then the question is: safer from whom?

I'm sure BB sleeps in the same bed of NSA and others so that doesn't make it safe for me.

I'm not afraid of hackers. I'm afraid of the government!

Wink

b!z

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Oneplus One seems better

FuckSociety

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I'll keep my cheapo ass smartphone for now

Scoremaster

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Hi I am back from a long period of away time :)

seems legit

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Quote from: sionsandman on August 20, 2014, 06:43:13 AM

Quote from: Lauda on August 19, 2014, 07:50:47 PM

Seems like blackberry is still the king of security?

Why?

I've read that more than once but never seen an explanation.

What features/apps make bb more secure than android/ios phones?

I've done some research and found stuff like this:

Quote

RIM has focused on security since they started making the Blackberry. They have encryption built-in, and a bunch of features that help IT guys to manage a corporation's phones. They can be remotely wiped if you lose it in a cab, and since RIM focuses on corporate-features (like a Blackberry server that ties into Microsoft Exchange), it's just a better-managed platform than Android (which is like the wild west) or the iPhone (which is like the evil Empire).

You could also read something about it here http://us.blackberry.com/business/enterprise-mobility/mobile-security.html
and http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/safe-smartphone-319581

sionsandman

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Quote from: Lauda on August 19, 2014, 07:50:47 PM

Seems like blackberry is still the king of security?

Why?

I've read that more than once but never seen an explanation.

What features/apps make bb more secure than android/ios phones?

Lauda

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Terminated.

Well before asking questions you should do your own research on the topic. This caught my eye in my watchlist and I remembered something that I've read.
Here it is: http://blog.gsmarena.com/security-heavy-blackphone-gets-rooted-five-minutes/
The phone got rooted in 5 minutes, so much about it being secure. Even though it probably got already patched, this makes me doubt such a phone. Seems like blackberry is still the king of security?

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The product seems a little costly.

hgerson

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How do these phones deal with cell tower triangulation tracking and wifi triangulation tracking?

What other alternatives exist for tower triangulation tracking and wifi tracking?

Satellite phones? Grin

Which ones are better for privacy? Thuraya, iridium or inmarsat?

Some voip-cell configuration?

I thought of one app that may already exist but I haven't found it yet that would work like this:

Phone A dial a number a number of phone B you want to call in the app.

The app initiates a conference call between A and B from an unknown offshore location.

Nobody including the network could see that A called B. If both A and B support call encryption even better.

I thought of another feature that might help:

This has to be made with dual-sim or multi-sim phone.

The phone should switch from sim to sim (of different networks) from time to time and even in the middle of conversations. Changing sim would force it to change tower. Maintain the conversation while changing towers would be the challenge here.

Besides that the phone should be able to switch from the strongest signal tower to the second strongest.

If this exist in a consumer ready product I buy Grin

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this

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Quote from: Lauda on July 21, 2014, 03:30:35 PM

Quote from: r3wt on July 17, 2014, 05:48:03 PM

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say that anyone who spends 630 dollars one of these phones is a sucker.

Some issues i have here:

looks like an 50 dollar att go phone generic android. logic says, i can just pirate a copy of their "privatOS" and rip it to my smartphone. same level of protection offered by their product.

you use it with your normal gsm provider. of course you're still being monitored. duh! the only advantage is the software doesn't have the the hidden recording and monitoring functions that log everything you do to a reserved section of your devices storage.

TLDR;they appear to be charging you 500 dollars for their custom operating system, plus the cost of the hardware. seems like a rip off.

Since when is the design important on a phone made for privacy?
So if I have a million $ and spend 630 on this, I'm a sucker?
Sure thing.

You wouldn't be a sucker at all. I would say that 80%+ people only buy phones when they can get an upgrades or a new contract so that they get a discount. If you don't like being in contract and you are used to paying retail price for phones, nearly every decent phone on the market is $600+

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Quote from: r3wt on July 17, 2014, 05:48:03 PM

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say that anyone who spends 630 dollars one of these phones is a sucker.

Some issues i have here:

looks like an 50 dollar att go phone generic android. logic says, i can just pirate a copy of their "privatOS" and rip it to my smartphone. same level of protection offered by their product.

you use it with your normal gsm provider. of course you're still being monitored. duh! the only advantage is the software doesn't have the the hidden recording and monitoring functions that log everything you do to a reserved section of your devices storage.

TLDR;they appear to be charging you 500 dollars for their custom operating system, plus the cost of the hardware. seems like a rip off.

Since when is the design important on a phone made for privacy?
So if I have a million $ and spend 630 on this, I'm a sucker?
Sure thing.

keithers

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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf

The blackphone even comes in hands free!

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No. 'tis a silly phone. Pretty much I could emulate this phone by just encrypting most of my OS already using a 3rd party application on my phone. As for calls, I'm not sure any sort of phones could handle on the fly encryption (plan would be to use SMS / text for GPG verification and then call be encrypted via shared private key that was shared via GPG).

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Quote from: keithers on July 21, 2014, 02:31:52 PM

Seems like a cool idea, but the part that I don't get is: Don't you basically forfeit all these privacy measures the moment you connect it using one of the major wireless carriers (i.e. ATT, Sprint, T-Mobile)?

Yes. Unless they have some sort of way to bypass that but I can't imagine they have and if they did have networks would probably blacklist the device.

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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf

Seems like a cool idea, but the part that I don't get is: Don't you basically forfeit all these privacy measures the moment you connect it using one of the major wireless carriers (i.e. ATT, Sprint, T-Mobile)?

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Good concept, However I would go with one of those ghost phones from your friendly local neighborhood hacker LMAO

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Quote from: subercoin on July 21, 2014, 08:48:12 AM

Quote from: DjPxH on July 21, 2014, 08:43:56 AM

Quote from: subercoin on July 21, 2014, 08:09:46 AM

Blackphone seems shitty and oveerpriced compared to Oneplusone:

Blackphone is powered by a >2 GHz quad-core SoC and features a full set of premium features, such as a 4.7" HD IPS screen, LTE, HSPA+, 1GB DDR3 RAM, 16GB of storage, >8MP primary camera with flash and 1.3MP front camera, Bluetooth 4.0, 802.11n WiFi, GPS, and more. Certain specifications are subject to change and may be adjusted prior to shipping the first phones later this year.

Oneplusone has a full 1080px HD 5.5-inch screen, 2.5 GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 processor coupled with an Adreno 330 GPU, 3GB RAM, 64GB of internal memory, CyanogenMod 11s Custom OS, 13 megapixel (rear) and 5 megapixel (front) camera – Sony Exmor sensor, Dual LED and 4K video support.

Blackphone is 629$
Oneplusone is 350$

I think you know which one I'm going to take...

So people are still comparing phones or anything in terms of the pure performance specs. This has always been pretty stupid. It says very little about the actual quality of the components, the quality of the surrounding hardware and the actual performance and experience provided by the operating system!

How I'm supposed to know which has better quality?
Wait two yeras and ask my friend how their phones have lasted and then buy best one?
Or buy most overpriced product and hope I get some qulity too?

Well you can see how the phones feel and compare them to each other. If it squeaks and screeches, well... decide for yourself. You can also await reviews how they perform. And just try and experience or try out the operating system! I can't believe so many Android phones still have such a stuttery scrolling. Awful, it just feels bad and low quality.

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