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Topic: Block Erupter USB Sales [Temporarily Out of Stock] - page 10. (Read 93208 times)

newbie
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If you reach the total volume of 1,000 USB sticks, price is dropped to 0.89 each. We will also pay back the price difference of all your historic transaction (timeline started from the 0.99 pricing) of USB sticks. For example, if you bought more than 1,000 sticks, 500 for 1.99 and 500 for 0.99, the new price will be 0.89, and we will pay you the price difference for the 0.99 USB sticks, that is (0.99-0.89)*500=50BTC.

Sorry for the original ambiguation before that misled some customers that the price difference we pay back is 1.0BTC. What we expected to say is for the price difference based on both new prices.

Can someone help me understand this?
Say I have bought 500 @ BTC1.99 each.
Is friedcat offering to sell me another 500 for a total of BTC50 bringing my total purchased to 1000?


You should pay BTC500-BTC50=BTC450 for another 500.
full member
Activity: 177
Merit: 100
OP Updated

If you reach the total volume of 1,000 USB sticks, price is dropped to 0.89 each. We will also pay back the price difference of all your historic transaction (timeline started from the 0.99 pricing) of USB sticks. For example, if you bought more than 1,000 sticks, 500 for 1.99 and 500 for 0.99, the new price will be 0.89, and we will pay you the price difference for the 0.99 USB sticks, that is (0.99-0.89)*500=50BTC.

Sorry for the original ambiguation before that misled some customers that the price difference we pay back is 1.0BTC. What we expected to say is for the price difference based on both new prices.

Can someone help me understand this?
Say I have bought 500 @ BTC1.99 each.
Is friedcat offering to sell me another 500 for a total of BTC50 bringing my total purchased to 1000?


Think what he means is he'll sell you another 500 for BTC495.  So once you buy, you can tell him you've got 1000 total and he should refund back BTC50.  So your order total for the 500 will end up costing BTC445.  The .89 pricing applies only to the usbs bought since the .99 price change.

Clear as mud to me and for everyone else.   Cheesy
sr. member
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Why isn't there a US shipping option for 50 or more eruptors.
sr. member
Activity: 308
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No power in the 'verse can stop me.
Okay; 15x the hash power for these other devices, which are a bit cheaper per GH/s.  For these devices to lose money mining (versus electricity), we need the overall network hash rate to increase beyond 100 fold what it currently is now.  At that point, everyone is likely losing money unless someone comes out with a way more energy efficient process.  There shouldn't be any point in the next couple years where I'm losing much money mining with these.  Maybe I'll make $250 fiat bucks back, or $100, or $1000.  Doesn't really matter to me; I'm supporting the BTC network by a decentralized means.

No one can tell what the price of BTC will be in the future, and also what the network hash rate will be in the future.  The price may fall to the point where it's not profitable for large ASIC mining companies to continue their operations mining or manufacturing products (similar to what happened after the 2011 crash), the difficulty could collapse, everyone could start throwing their devices out windows because they are worthless.  I can continue mining and losing a few bucks per month with my little USB sticks at pretty much no risk to me (a cheeseburger a month in power -- who cares?).  Then we may see the price go up in the long term.  One of the best times to be mining BTC before was when it was seldom very profitable by GPU in 2012, because the difficulty kept falling and everyone still mining kept getting more and more BTC; over time the BTC proved very valuable.

This is my high risk investment.  I know I'll make at least a little back, I have no worries about the loss of $500, and I'll be securing the network in the meantime.

I approach this in very much the same way and agree with you for the most part.  But ....  around $50 per GH/s to wait and get it from others or $300 per GH/s (at the new 'lowered' price!) on these USBs is too great a difference to not wait for it IMHO.
newbie
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30 days   12.93686804 LTC   0.35149470 BTC   34.18 USD
Am I missing something? (using 330 kH/s)

Your hashrate estimate for Block Eruptor mining scrypt is slightly off.

Its not 330 KH/s . More like 0 KH/s.

Using this more accurate estimate, i would assume your litecoin calculator should say.

30 days   0 LTC   0 BTC   0 USD


I was, in fact, missing lots!  Thanks all for the feedback...
hero member
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I'd buy 300 but not at $100

I don't need heat sinks, labels, or fancy boxes. Just the cards.

Someone wants $6000 for them just speak up!


sr. member
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Where do US customers order from?

Look for Kosmo's thread, he sells to the US.

I was looking to buy 50, not from reseller?
full member
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I just ordered 84 of these bad boys.

My 3 month plan:
Mine with them for ~month = ~$2000 usd profit
Sell on Ebay for ~$150 (half of what they're selling for now) = ~$12600
Cost of 84 = ~84.2 BTC = ~$8630.50
Estimated total income = ~$14600
Estimated profit = ~$5970

You guys are welcome to your own opinion, but this doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Wink

Granted.. I may not be able to sell them all for $150 on ebay, but even if I sell them at cost I was still able to mine on them for a month for free.  Grin

So, wait, you're getting most of your profit by selling them after a month for more money than you paid for them?  Why mine at all?  Just eBay them as soon as you get them?  Seems like a better plan. Huh

Edit:  As soon as they're sold, rinse & repeat!  PROFIT!
hero member
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Where do US customers order from?

Look for Kosmo's thread, he sells to the US.
sr. member
Activity: 342
Merit: 250
Where do US customers order from?
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1026
In Cryptocoins I Trust
Never going to happen. Another month from now when prices are slashed again, because let's face it they have to be, you'll have a few coins and be at a loss on your purchase, even if you intend to resell, but go for what you know...All yor doing is turning a fried cat into a fat one!

Tongue

I know what I'm doing is risky, but I have a feeling I will make a profit. Maybe not nearly as big as a profit as I said in that post, but any profit no matter how small is... profit.

I also disagree that the prices will be reduced again in a month.. maybe 2-3 months, but 1 month is unlikely IMO.

I will let you guys know how it goes.. you can ride the wave with me. Busto or rubusto? We shall see!  Cheesy
hero member
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I just ordered 84 of these bad boys.

My 3 month plan:
Mine with them for ~month = ~$2000 usd profit
Sell on Ebay for ~$150 (half of what they're selling for now) = ~$12600
Cost of 84 = ~84.2 BTC = ~$8630.50
Estimated total income = ~$14600
Estimated profit = ~$5970

You guys are welcome to your own opinion, but this doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Wink

Granted.. I may not be able to sell them all for $150 on ebay, but even if I sell them at cost I was still able to mine on them for a month for free.  Grin

Never going to happen. Another month from now when prices are slashed again, because let's face it they have to be, you'll have a few coins and be at a loss on your purchase, even if you intend to resell, but go for what you know...All yor doing is turning a fried cat into a fat one!
full member
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friedcat,

would be nice if you answer my pm i send you :-)

thanks

r0sc0e
PeZ
sr. member
Activity: 297
Merit: 250
I just ordered 84 of these bad boys.

My 3 month plan:
Mine with them for ~month = ~$2000 usd profit
Sell on Ebay for ~$150 (half of what they're selling for now) = ~$12600
Cost of 84 = ~84.2 BTC = ~$8630.50
Estimated total income = ~$14600
Estimated profit = ~$5970

You guys are welcome to your own opinion, but this doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Wink

Granted.. I may not be able to sell them all for $150 on ebay, but even if I sell them at cost I was still able to mine on them for a month for free.  Grin
You are losing money by mining with them. If you really want to mine, you should sell enough of them on Ebay right away to get back your capital investment.
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1026
In Cryptocoins I Trust
Sell on Ebay for ~$150 (half of what they're selling for now) = ~$12600

They're not selling for $300 on eBay anymore. None of those buyers are going to pay up when they see new auctions for $110.

True- they aren't selling for $300. Latest prices were $215-$280...

However, I doubt many people sell for $110 seeing as though they cost 1 BTC (~$110). After Paypal fees there wouldn't hardly be any profit in it, except for what you're able to mine before you sell them.

Again, even if I sell them for how much they cost me.. about $110, I was still able to mine for a month for free.  Smiley

Worst case scenario IMO is I get stuck with all of them and have to wait two years for ROI. Luckily I am a patient man.  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1005
destroy the network difficulty with them before shipping them out

1) Manufacturer deploys xTH/s of customer-purchased hardware
2) Network difficulty destroyed
3) Manufacturer unplugs hardware to send to customers
4) Network difficulty un-destroyed
5) Customers deploy xTH/s of hardware
6) Network difficulty destroyed
7) Huh

Or they unplug them one at a time and ship out like the Avalons did, without perturbing total difficulty increase much...
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1005
The difficulty has to increase by two orders of magnitude for these to become totally worthless in terms of power usage versus mining income.  I plan to run them for the next couple of years.  I'm not really worried.  If they lose money, so be it, at least they're not costing me anything to run and they are securing the Bitcoin network.

The per watt efficiency is similar to other manufacturers out there, so as long as they are mining profitably, probably I will be too.

In the meantime you're welcome to disseminate your money to operations who will ship in "September" or "October" or whenever, who will probably use your funds to buy ASICs, destroy the network difficulty with them before shipping them out, and then send a slightly profitable brick to your doorstop (as we're seeing with Avalon and BFL, and as I'm sure we'll see with the Klondike etc manufacturers).

I am a bit confused by your thinking here.  You plan to run your USB miners for 'a couple years', then turn around and say that other operations will destroy the difficulty and send something that isn't much more profitable than these things in the first place.  For this statement to make sense, the USB miners would have to break even before other ASIC companies ship, which probably isn't going to happen.  For the same cost you can get ~15x the hashpower but have to wait, wouldn't that mean that the difficulty would have to rise even more in order to make those options worthless as well?

Okay; 15x the hash power for these other devices, which are a bit cheaper per GH/s.  For these devices to lose money mining (versus electricity), we need the overall network hash rate to increase beyond 100 fold what it currently is now.  At that point, everyone is likely losing money unless someone comes out with a way more energy efficient process.  There shouldn't be any point in the next couple years where I'm losing much money mining with these.  Maybe I'll make $250 fiat bucks back, or $100, or $1000.  Doesn't really matter to me; I'm supporting the BTC network by a decentralized means.

No one can tell what the price of BTC will be in the future, and also what the network hash rate will be in the future.  The price may fall to the point where it's not profitable for large ASIC mining companies to continue their operations mining or manufacturing products (similar to what happened after the 2011 crash), the difficulty could collapse, everyone could start throwing their devices out windows because they are worthless.  I can continue mining and losing a few bucks per month with my little USB sticks at pretty much no risk to me (a cheeseburger a month in power -- who cares?).  Then we may see the price go up in the long term.  One of the best times to be mining BTC before was when it was seldom very profitable by GPU in 2012, because the difficulty kept falling and everyone still mining kept getting more and more BTC; over time the BTC proved very valuable.

This is my high risk investment.  I know I'll make at least a little back, I have no worries about the loss of $500, and I'll be securing the network in the meantime.
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1009
Sell on Ebay for ~$150 (half of what they're selling for now) = ~$12600

They're not selling for $300 on eBay anymore. None of those buyers are going to pay up when they see new auctions for $110.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
I just ordered 84 of these bad boys.

My 3 month plan:
Mine with them for ~month = ~$2000 usd profit
Sell on Ebay for ~$150 (half of what they're selling for now) = ~$12600
Cost of 84 = ~84.2 BTC = ~$8630.50
Estimated total income = ~$14600
Estimated profit = ~$5970

You guys are welcome to your own opinion, but this doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Wink

Granted.. I may not be able to sell them all for $150 on ebay, but even if I sell them at cost I was still able to mine on them for a month for free.  Grin

this is a rosy picture.
a bit to risky for me. but possible given most people don't understand the basic math around bitcoin difficulties. so yeah, people will eat up these usb miners not realizing, they'll never see a return. kind of like donating money.

I PM'd one guy who paid 39.41BTC for one used asic blade not 3 days ago. had the same idea as you.

I don't even know what to think.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
destroy the network difficulty with them before shipping them out

1) Manufacturer deploys xTH/s of customer-purchased hardware
2) Network difficulty destroyed
3) Manufacturer unplugs hardware to send to customers
4) Network difficulty un-destroyed
5) Customers deploy xTH/s of hardware
6) Network difficulty destroyed
7) Huh

no, like this

1) Manufacturer deploys xTH/s of customer-purchased hardware / while producing next generation of ASICS
2) Network difficulty destroyed
3) SELL old equipment to people / Manufacturer unplugs hardware to send to customers
4) Network difficulty still destroyed
5) Customers deploy xTH/s of hardware
6) Network difficulty more destroyed
7) Huh
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