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sr. member
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March 02, 2017, 04:44:29 PM
#47
Good catch !
Some of these addresses seem related to an entity with a very "interesting" activity profile Wink => https://oxt.me/bookmark/58b88d746c45fa71e80f8bd6
legendary
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Merit: 1019
February 28, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
#46
Bitcoin lacks a bit of direction in my opinion.
You have to understand that others may have other opinions.
And the only way to resolve this in bitcoin style is to vote by hashrate.
How many PH/s do you produce? None?
Your voice is too weak it can not be heard.
Your opinion nobody cares

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s I understand it, the current issues faced by the blockchain are
not technical in nature. The problems are bureaucratic.
There are no technical problems. Every problem has the First Name and Last Name.

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In the next few years, Bitcoin will see 1000% more transactions.
I doubt.

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These problems can and should be solved now, before it is too late.
You are welcome to start solving these problems.
Dont waste time posting here. Solve them!
hero member
Activity: 896
Merit: 500
February 28, 2017, 09:03:18 AM
#45
I think this is normal. about transactions that are not treated backlog while all stuck. I think they should like, if we backlog, I am afraid that the trapped will continue to lengthen, and perhaps, the small trading range that is approximately the cost of transaction
sr. member
Activity: 466
Merit: 253
Imagine a world without banks.......
February 28, 2017, 07:59:20 AM
#44
Bitcoin lacks a bit of direction in my opinion. As I understand it, the current issues faced by the blockchain are not technical in nature. The problems are bureaucratic.

In the next few years, Bitcoin will see 1000% more transactions. These problems can and should be solved now, before it is too late.
newbie
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February 28, 2017, 04:20:15 AM
#43
It could be a group of miners making a fee market. As difficulity gets higher and bitcoin's estimatefee function provides inertial values, they can dissolve some of their BTC mined to the network while part of these fees are recycled back to them. Recently, there was 3.1 BTC (roughly $3500 now) in fees as seen in block #455009.


Probably it is carefully watched process as they don't want to get mempool size over 300MB (when throttling by mempoolminfee is triggered) and on the other hand not to let fees estimation drop too low.


Of course, activating segwit or increasing block size is in such case counterproductive.
sr. member
Activity: 383
Merit: 252
February 28, 2017, 03:00:44 AM
#42
Why Komodo Group-Signed Transactions Are Not Spam



There are several in here that accuse the Komodo notary nodes in their group-signed transaction of contributing to the delays on the Bitcoin Network.  This is not the case.  First, our transactions count for well less than 1% of the current backlog. In addition they are a part of a necessary function in the SuperNET ecosystem aimed at enhancing the bitcoin networks scalability.


Everyone has heard of the block size debate and its proposed solutions.  Whether you are a proponent of SegWit + LN or BigBlocks or some other method in-between, most all can agree something needs done.   Komodo aims at tackling current and future need for storing data on a secure distributed ledger  through its scalability mechanism  known as " Delayed Proof-of-Work ".

Delayed Proof-of-Work  works by receiving submissions from third-party blockchains and recording their hashes into a Komodo Block.   The blockhash of that block  is then submitted in a group-signed transaction to Bitcoin's Network through a group of elected node operators.   This signed transaction forms a "checkpoint"  where if at a future time either a third-party blockchain or Komodo itself  becomes threatened by a malicious actor or a fork divides the community, this checkpoint system gives the operators of the respective networks a " last known good" block hash  from which they can start efforts of fixing their network.  


The Delayed Proof-of-Work system  is already securing more than 36 blockchains!!!  


For an attacker to totally compromise Komodo or the independent block chains that it secures  it would have to undermine bitcoin's security,  which is an extremely difficult if not impossible feat.



Delayed Proof-of-Work acts as a scalability mechanism  in the sense that developers can develop blockchain based projects, in full control of their own blockchain without being restricted by the technical and political limitations of bitcoin or other parent network   while at the same time  benefit from the security granted by the incredible amount of hashing power that is used to secure bitcoin.


To learn more about how the Delayed Proof-of-Work consensus mechanism works

https://komodoplatform.com/whitepaper/

or to find out how more about Komodo and SuperNET's  cutting edge crypto developments
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1605144.6560

legendary
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February 28, 2017, 02:59:24 AM
#41
if you think about it, in the centralized environment there is not a single person
of course. "centralized" != "one person"

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that take the full decision about a task, for their service, they always consult between 10 people or s
does not matter how many humans work for a service
from the point of view from the rest world there is centralized service "facebook" and a billion of users connecting to it
how many employees work for facebook is not an agrument to think that facebook is not centralized

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it's not very different than miners deciding about the future of bitcoin,
it's just more hard because of 10 people we have 100 that need to decide...
Today bitcoin is not decentralized. So, 10 pool admins can make anything.
Either increase block size or ban some addresses which produce too much traffic

legendary
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Merit: 1070
February 28, 2017, 02:30:13 AM
#40
When a company's website has lots of traffic, you don't tell the user's to stop using it, you upgrade the server right?
This is the major difference between centralized and decentralized technologies.
Your advice is for centralized buiseness.

if you think about it, in the centralized environment there is not a single person that take the full decision about a task, for their service, they always consult between 10 people or s

it's not very different than miners deciding about the future of bitcoin, it's just more hard because of 10 people we have 100 that need to decide...
full member
Activity: 182
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February 28, 2017, 02:23:05 AM
#39
I deeply know that spamming blockchain is a harmful things that people do to bitcoin and that will be reason why take times to get confirm a transaction. But I don't know that why do they do that? They want to crash blockchain down? or want to delay the transaction to get their purpose (I mean if a trading don't confirmed too long - about 48 hours - the fund will be send back to sender right?). And how can you find these transaction, how about detect it and report to blockchain developer?
legendary
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February 28, 2017, 02:13:46 AM
#38

Those are the addresses being used to hide a spam attack on the Blockchain. These guys know that we are operating on a network, where most blocks are about 80% full, so they just spam the network with useless transactions to fill up these blocks to cause backlogs and severe congestion.

The motives is unclear, but people seem to think that it has something to do with SegWit or BU where a "fake" congestion is being forced onto people to get them to make a decision and to break the gridlock.

Others seem to think, miners are behind this. They create a backlog and then people will pay higher miners fees to get their transactions confirmed. This leads to more profits for them.

What a sad situation for everyone else to see this technology being manipulated by greed.
wow very interesting and  didnt realise this is going on..unbelievable

I would at least people look through this thread to see these miners fees being paid by Komodo notary nodes to recycle the hash rate of the bitcoin network to protect the Komodo chain.


Www.komodoplatform.com and checkout the white paper.

We have been doing this since Oct last year consistently. We use the Bitcoin network like any other user. The short sighted view that we are spamming the bitcoin network is crazy, we are paying fees for txs. If it can't handle the amount of txs it is a problem for the network, not of its users.
member
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February 28, 2017, 01:30:42 AM
#37

Those are the addresses being used to hide a spam attack on the Blockchain. These guys know that we are operating on a network, where most blocks are about 80% full, so they just spam the network with useless transactions to fill up these blocks to cause backlogs and severe congestion.

The motives is unclear, but people seem to think that it has something to do with SegWit or BU where a "fake" congestion is being forced onto people to get them to make a decision and to break the gridlock.

Others seem to think, miners are behind this. They create a backlog and then people will pay higher miners fees to get their transactions confirmed. This leads to more profits for them.

What a sad situation for everyone else to see this technology being manipulated by greed.
wow very interesting and  didnt realise this is going on..unbelievable
legendary
Activity: 3542
Merit: 1965
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February 28, 2017, 12:55:08 AM
#36

Those are the addresses being used to hide a spam attack on the Blockchain. These guys know that we are operating on a network, where most blocks are about 80% full, so they just spam the network with useless transactions to fill up these blocks to cause backlogs and severe congestion.

The motives is unclear, but people seem to think that it has something to do with SegWit or BU where a "fake" congestion is being forced onto people to get them to make a decision and to break the gridlock.

Others seem to think, miners are behind this. They create a backlog and then people will pay higher miners fees to get their transactions confirmed. This leads to more profits for them.

What a sad situation for everyone else to see this technology being manipulated by greed.
legendary
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Merit: 1008
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February 27, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
#35
Komodo is using the bitcoin blockchain to notarize KMD transactions (dPoW)
not spamming to try to chrash the BTC price or promote segwit or who knows what.

The email spamers are using Internet infrastructure for advertizing buisnesses.
Nobody says that they want to break Internet down Smiley and force users to use another ways to communicate.

But email letters are spam for receptients.
And komodo transactions are spam from bitcoin user point of view.


Speak for yourself.  I am a bitcoin user and I don't consider these transactions spam.   Anyone is free to
use the network as they want.  That is the very essense of 'permissionless'. 
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
February 27, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
#33
When a company's website has lots of traffic, you don't tell the user's to stop using it, you upgrade the server right?
This is the major difference between centralized and decentralized technologies.
Your advice is for centralized buiseness.

There is no difference. In a centralized environment you increase the resources, in this case BTC increases the block size. Everything is a choice.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1019
February 27, 2017, 04:19:31 PM
#31
When a company's website has lots of traffic, you don't tell the user's to stop using it, you upgrade the server right?
This is the major difference between centralized and decentralized technologies.
Your advice is for centralized buiseness.
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
February 27, 2017, 04:02:47 PM
#30
Komodo is using the bitcoin blockchain to notarize KMD transactions (dPoW)
not spamming to try to chrash the BTC price or promote segwit or who knows what.

The email spamers are using Internet infrastructure for advertizing buisnesses.
Nobody says that they want to break Internet down Smiley and force users to use another ways to communicate.

But email letters are spam for receptients.
And komodo transactions are spam from bitcoin user point of view.

Ok I got your point Smiley
To explain it, i saw a mention of this thread initially on https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mother-of-all-spam-attacks-on-bitcoin-network-proof-1776143 so my intervention was mostly to tell people that are searching for spam attacks to ignore the addresses mentioned above.
By attacks i mean actions to affect BTC network on purpose.

Now, even if i like your analogy, considering that komodo transactions are spamming the BTC blockchain is indeed a question of point of view...


Hopefully there won't be other coins that decide to do things like this in the future; blocks are already full enough as it is and we don't need more txs on the chain. Komodo had a great initiative but it's just bogging down the bitcoin blockchain with its method of tx verification.



When a company's website has lots of traffic, you don't tell the user's to stop using it, you upgrade the server right?

Utility gives value, otherwise bitcoin would be at 0 still.
member
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February 26, 2017, 01:56:12 PM
#29
yea those people have some sort of enemy with bitcoin and may be they belong to developers group of other altcoins. To slow the network bitcoin they might create such havoc condition.

I can imagine some altcoins have an interest in seeing the bitcoin network harmed in any way.
Not many really because they are mainly traded against BTC currently.
And certainly not komodo because it offers a service that rely on it.
sr. member
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February 26, 2017, 12:24:34 PM
#28
yea those people have some sort of enemy with bitcoin and may be they belong to developers group of other altcoins. To slow the network bitcoin they might create such havoc condition.
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