Topic: 【BOT】 🌟 C.A.T. Cryptocurrency Automatic Trader 🌟 (New Price List 04/2021) - page 160. (Read 531503 times)

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Well, there are 3 facts to consider :

First : your approach
You can't come here, and start say "your program doesn't works" "your way to do business is not correct" and such things and then say (pretend) "i want that feature" "i want that other feature".
Result can't be different than my suggestion to sell your copy. And my suggestion is not because i get angry but because i think these fatures can comes in play in the long period and not exactly the way you wants.
And you can't say that's not possible to ROI using dynamic algorithm, because it's not true and you don't have any clue to say that. Probably you have problems using CAT, but your program could not be the problem of other users. Anyone have his strategy. And if i tell you that many person ROI cat many times you must believe me, because if you don't believe me we have no reason to stay here talk.

Second : your suggestions
Probably you think i'm stupid or something else, but you must consider the fact that CAT architecture must works with API Exchange Architectures. AND Cat doesn't works with historical data.
So if i didn't add some features is probably because it's not possible to do that.

In your example : CANDLESTICK
A Candlestick is a structure with 4 attributes :
Open/Close/Max/Min (and sometimes volume).
I have no way to calcolate MAX/MIN and VOLUME in a timelapse, API doesn't give me that info.
I Can only work on the Last Trade Price (because any exchange have a Trades Function) and this can work only if Trades info have a timestamp.
You must consider that CAT works with 16 exchanges and must be compatible with all of them.

Thirds : I continue improve CAT.
Since 2013 i released more than 70 version and i continue adding features.
A Candlestick based only on Open/Close price is already in my todo list.
But after that i need to integrate that functions with the CORE environment. It takes time....so you can't pretend to have all fast.

CAT customers know well my effort to improve CAT during every release and i continue do that.
And if you want to help me your're welcome, but you must change the way you approach the problem.
That fact that you (probably) are a CAT customer doesn't give you any right to shitty talk about me and my program.

Thanks

PS : I hope our flame ends here, and from next message we could have a constructive talks

The feature request, I think Gunthar was talking about, is adding to CAT other algorithms of trading, which utilizes  tech analysis tools, eg buy when the short moving average crosses above the longer one etc.
As far as I know MetaTrader has such a feature, but the user should use MT macros language to code his stratagy.

You dont need an API for candleticks: they are grahically created based on price fluctuations over time (and CAT already have all of that).
You could create triggers for these changes over time like for example:
TRIGGER 1: (CLOSE - OPEN) > 0
TRIGGER 2: (The CLOSE 1 candle in the PAST - The OPEN 1 candle in the PAST) > 0
TRIGGER 3: (The CLOSE 2 candles in the PAST - The OPEN 2 candles in the PAST) > 0

and create PINGS or PONGS only if those triggers are matched. In this way you would make CAT aware of bullish or bearish trends.

It is not "artificial intelligence" Sampey...it is math...calculated price fluctuations over time.

Anyways i see you not interested in this discussion, all you keep repeating is "sell your copy" if you really are a "CAT customer".

@all CAT customers: i tried mates....he wont listen, yall were right.
Bye

~Gun

Gunthar is not one of my customers, sorry.
If you really have a CAT copy you can sell it.
About candlestick, 90% of exchanges doesn't give the Candlestick API, sorry 

AND...i don't want your money, thanks, listening to you i already stole your coin selling you CAT.

Lol nothing worst than suggest your customers to give away your product. Fine Sampey: i need 5 candlesticks down trend parameter in the 15 minutes ticks.
Not for free of course: i pay for your implementation.

Really tho do this too:

I'm sorry that CAT doesnt met your expectations.
I will continue try to improve the Core with new options.

So feel free to suggest (with this or with your CAT account) improvements. (Improvements means : "I need that parameter", and doesn't mean "My Algo Is Stuck you must find a solution").

Bye 

Ehhhh...you assuming too much but is ok, anyone with a copy of CAT can say what i wrote is right and it is the actual issue of CAT.
Anyways...do this forum a fav, put this in bold in your ANN Thread:


It would be less shady than:

You are fooling people with that sentence, do you realize it?
And no: i will not sell my CAT copy, if they want it better you sell it (and take responsabilities of the sale).
Thank you for your kind support!
~Gun

No, YOU Are kidding! You talk about a PING Price that is put always on top of market
And i told you that you can avoid CAT to put that PING Price using market limit (that is a subset of options).
Then you start talk about the % GAIN that has nothing to do with the way CAT Create the PING and set the PING Price.

If you thing that it's because you haven't even understand how CAT works. And how a Ping-Pong cycle works.


IF market conditions gones away from the conditions you set of course CAT will wait for conditions to come back.
What do you want an Artificial Intelligence?


Customers ROI Using THEIR Strategies, not MINE. I only create the set of parameters and environments that let them trade.

Looking at they way you talk about CAT i think this is not the software you need or probably your strategy doesn't fit whith the CAT parameters set.
You are allowed to sell your Copy, so probably this is the best solution. C.A.T. will never became An artificial intelligenge that never goes into "wait mode".

Are you kidding? You have to set a min % gain or you wont use dynamic mode: based on the min % gain CAT calculates prices of PONG and PING re-creations. The MIN SPREAD, instead is the difference between the actual bid/ask suggestions...
The problem is you cant actually let CAT run on these parameters because price and condition changes dont make you safe (and here are the suggestions about points CAT needs to grow):


Shady would start to appear if you keep refusing to share CAT strategies that would make your customers "ROI many times" like you claim...not my alts.
~Gun

Min % Gain has nothing to do with the things you told before about the Ping Price.
Min Gain is the MIN SPREAD that could occurs from the PING PRICE and the PONG Price to allows you to have the % GAIN.
Absolutedly nothing related on how to manage your Ping Price.


You like to talk on a forum using a secondary account, so not much trasparant, but no problem.
Actually i've only read charges against my software.
Now i'm waiting for suggestions.......

Thanks.

min % of gain IS actually a price limit, Sampey, and if you dont trade on top of order book you cant push your price (plus you have to consider fees limiting your price).

You already understood i'm not trolling you...you are smart enough

prices and conditions changes...always!
I'm thinking loud and messing here Sampey because FORCED 1% of gain (because the fees) will cause actually one of the following conditions:
- CAT frozen because an uptrend makes your limit buy order (PING re-creation) useless as the price is already gone away up
- CAT frozen because a downtrend makes your limit sell order (PONG from PING trade) useless as the price is already gone away down
- CAT frozen because conditions and prices changes within the range of 0.9%

Many people asked you in this thread about these conditions. I'm glad to know they got their solutions in PM, but a mature software can
 be discussed publicly even because maybe you can think i'm a troll and so you could think about my PM. But if 2 or 3 or 10 people asking you the same thing (which is the actual CAT issue)...then it wont appear a troll anymore.
Plus i dont like to talk in PM: i like to talk in a forum.
~Gun

Wrong : CAT Put the order on top if you don't set ANY price limit.
And if you don't set any price limit it means that you're telling CAT "I Want to trade on top".
In dynamic mode, of course.


Yes you're right, but i want to give support to my customers. And my customers are people who get a CAT copy, and i know all of them.
Anyone could tell me "I'm another account of one of your customers". But this could be not true, and that person could try to troll me and make me waste a lot of time for nothing.
So, if you ask me support using "Gunthar" but from my point of view you're not a customer......and as you said "courtesy to answer or not"


I wrote you a fast example of strategy, and i wrote many strategies to people who usually PM me. Just to be clear i don't ignore anyone.

Infinite loop doesn't means that it will continue ping-ponging forever, if market prices and condition changes the ping-pong will result "frozen" and user could decide what to do.
So, a loop could continue to work for hours or days, it's not "INFINITE" In the real meanings of the words.......but i thing it's easy to understand that an algorithm could not met the condition you set and then wait for conditions to come back (or users to stop/restart algo)


I've released near 70 CAT Version since 2013.....No need to comment your last sentence.
If you have constructive suggestions i'm here. 

Wrong: in dynamic mode CAT puts the price on TOP of order book as long as % of gain you set is matched. Then it stops and your order goes down and down in the order book untill you decide to loose money and try again. Suggestion: up trend/down trend are not that hard to understand with an algo uh....

Why? lol...i post using the account i want, your courtesy to asnwer or not...

Agreed: common sense (aka study the markets), some luck (who doesnt need it?)....that's not an INFINITE LOOP.


Oh my bad...PMs do exist actually...anyway FINALLY a good strategy you share: static buy and static sell.....(that's pretty much again a buy low/sell high done with a 0.5BTC bot over a market spread of 1sat...)

Any "dynamic" combined strategy you can suggest, Sampey, that would run in infinite loop? I dont think so: unless you going to implement some kind of entry strategy for PING creations, you cant actually let it run and expect infinite loops of gains: you must keep your eyes on markets and create PINGs manually everytime your own trading patterns/strategies match. Even tho, you need to continue watching markets during PONG recalculations because there is always the risk of price going far away in the opposite side you set CAT.
I'm open to any suggestion too Sampey...but knowing to talk with a constructive programmer on the other side that is willingly to implement "strategies parameter"...not only new exchanges commissions.
~Gun

The new Ping after a Ping-Pong complete starts with the same condition as any other Ping. And you have all the parameters you need to "force" CAT to set the price you need (in dynamic mode).


So you can post here with your CAT related account, or if you have any problem or doubt you can Pm me for suggestions. Maybe you didn't find the right way to set some part of your algo.
Otherwise if you have any suggestions about new parameters i'm always here to read and add to my Todo List.


Probably you didn't read well.
Just a copy/paste from one of my feedbacks in my profile
"And if you are wondering, I have made my ROI a few times over. Common sense, some luck and C.A.T. can make you some coins."

And many person write me using PM.


First, i'm not ignoring anyone because my current PM box is 200 Pages sincer november 2015.

Just a simple strategy : on 1 Satoshi Spread Market you can put a simple Static Buy/Sell price (like DOGE Market). Where Buy and Sell are the best market price.
Then Exchange engine will continue processing order and your order will continue get priority until the Trade time. Then you will have the Static Pong Sell
In this situation you can put a Buy Static Ping + Sell Static Ping at the same time. If market didn't change (and usually on market with 1 sat spread price didn't change fast) you can run an infinite loop and make high gains.

I suggest you to make questions and suggestions, but use you real account please 

CAT has infinite loop but markets dont: after you do the first gain it is not automatic to do the second gain (almost impossible to do the infinite loop you claim). You MUST study the markets, dont suggest people they can let run the so called "infinite loop" because that's fool.

You are so smart: congrats you won a Nobel price in alts investigations...

I read over 200 posts in this thread, Sampey and i read all the feedback you received: NONE has ever said they already ROIed "many times"  and i can sign it with my own blood NONE will make a ROI letting CAT run on "infinite loop".
Be honest, Sampey: you MUST study markets and use CAT as a trading tool time by time...NOT on infinite loop.
Also: a lot of people asking many times about, strategies, tips, tricks etc etc to use CAT and make profit but...NONE ever posted one single "combined strategy"...nor your customers (which i understand they woudnt disclose their profits) nor the programmer (you) which would REALLY help CAT sales...

So Sampey: have you found a good strategy combining CAT parameters and are you making ROI many times (like an infinite loop) ?
Mind to share it ONCE with all people that are asking you these tips and tricks since ages (and you are ignoring)?
~Gun

CAT have an infinite loop, so you can do it many times, not only ONCE. Why did you say ONCE?




sorry are you a CAT customers? Because your nickname doesn't appears in my list....but you talk about CAT like a person who used it a lot.....
This is trange because people who use CAT a lot have already make ROI Many times and they have found good strategies combining all CAT parameters.

Ty for the sarcasm: anyway, buy low sell high CANT be done with a bot (at least not repeteadly), unless you are able to "never buy over your last pong sell -x%" (and vice versa, it depends by up/down trends cases). Your bot is able to do this but....ONCE.
Then you have to stop and study the market again and ENTER the new PING in the right moment to "attempt" a gain (at least 1% per transaction fee included or you go negative). If you succeed...you dont get a Nobel...you got 1% of a propably tiny amount you used to test CAT because you dont fucking understand how does it work.
Morale: CAT, as any other bot, is not something you let run while you sleep...CAT is a tool to make some automatic operations on trading markets, without the fear of getting emotional and make wrong decisions (unless you get emotional anyway and you deliberately stop CAT).
I can give you a tip, OP: candlestick patterns still work here...
~Gun

If you are able to make a Gain by Sell Low/Buy High or Buy High/Sell Low with ANY Kind of strategy you will probably win a Nobel for the Economy 

Any strategy is a Buy Low/Sell high or Sell High/Buy Low.

Rather there are no strategies but buy low and sell high...or they are no profitable.