【BOT】 🌟 C.A.T. Cryptocurrency Automatic Trader 🌟 (New Price List 04/2021) - page 241.

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Quote from: Sampey on October 29, 2014, 12:00:35 PM

Quote from: JonBoy on October 29, 2014, 11:54:05 AM

You say that anyone operating with BTC/USD has made a loss. This would suggest that CAT hasn't performed well on any of the coins which have fallen by a similar amount over the past few months.

No, i told "In the USD/BTC of course, all people who hold have a loss" which means "if you hold your BTC while market (USD/BTC) is crashing, of course you will have a loss"

yea, sadly true!
CAT has no Exit Strategie(Cat has no strategies at all), only "sell all"(stop loss)l Parameter, chosable by the user.
Cat only is sucssfull at a rising or floating around Market.
So Cat is not a real trading Bot, just a Trading Tool.

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Quote from: JonBoy on October 29, 2014, 11:54:05 AM

You say that anyone operating with BTC/USD has made a loss. This would suggest that CAT hasn't performed well on any of the coins which have fallen by a similar amount over the past few months.

No, i told "In the USD/BTC of course, all people who hold have a loss" which means "if you hold your BTC while market (USD/BTC) is crashing, of course you will have a loss"

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Quote from: Sampey on October 29, 2014, 10:22:15 AM

In the USD/BTC of course, all people who hold have a loss.
But on other markets there's always some market with a rise and there's always the possibility to gain something.

Thanks for your answers Sampey, but I have to admit that they don't fill me with confidence regarding the performance of CAT.

You say that anyone operating with BTC/USD has made a loss. This would suggest that CAT hasn't performed well on any of the coins which have fallen by a similar amount over the past few months.

Really??

That is pretty much every coin!

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Quote from: JonBoy on October 29, 2014, 09:42:43 AM

Okay, so the idea is that on the way down you can catch bounces in the markets. But I fail to see how you could come out winning if overall the alt coin markets have crashed by 60%???

I mean even if you manage to catch a few "dead Cat bouces", surely the value of your portfolio will still be way down. I am talking value in terms of dollars here.

Well if marked dramatically crash, there's nothing you can do.
This is an universal market rule, even if you have an AI (Artificial Intelligence) Bot
C.A.T. doesn't make miracles of course Wink

Quote from: Sampey on March 08, 2014, 01:06:50 PM

- Sell All If Price Goes Under (Works only for Sell Orders) : With this option activated C.A.T. will sell your order if the market price is too low. The sell price will be the best buy price currently available.
- Sell All If % With Ref Price Is : (Works only for Sell+Pong Orders) : Each PONG order has a Reference Price (the Sell/Buy price of the Original Pong Order) C.A.T., during the algo process, calculates the % difference between the reference price and the current best Buy/Sell Orders. With this option activated you C.A.T. will decide to sell a Pong Order if the % calculated is too negative. A suggestion is to use value lower than -10%
- Stop Ping Creation If Sell Value Is > : You can decide to Stop the Ping Order Creation if the Current Best Sell Value is too high. C.A.T. will restart Ping Order Creation if the Best Sell value returns to lower than your specified parameter.
- Stop Ping Creation If Buy Value Is < : You can decide to Stop the Ping Order Creation if the Current Best Buy Value if too low. C.A.T. will restart Ping Order Creation when the Best Buy value returns to higher than your specified parameter.

And you can also set

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- Never Sell/Buy Under/Never Sell/Buy Over : With this option activated you will limit the creaton of Buy/Sell orders with the price too low or too high.

Every Parameter is Over a Single Market, so you can set different parameters on any market you'll choose to trade on.

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What has your experience over the last few months been?

In the USD/BTC of course, all people who hold have a loss.
But on other markets there's always some market with a rise and there's always the possibility to gain something.

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Quote from: Sampey on October 29, 2014, 09:25:34 AM

Quote from: JonBoy on October 29, 2014, 09:14:40 AM

So this means CAT has not been that successful over the last 6-8 months because pretty much all of the alt coins have fallen in value, right? Most have fallen by about 60% in value. Even btc has fallen by about 50% in that time. In this kind of a market, what is the point in buying a product that demands I spread my portfolio over lots of currencies - all of which are falling??

Or am I missing something?

No, this is not how it works.
A lot of markets during a crash could have a lot of "dead Cat bounce". So if you're able to catch the right moment you could loss 60% In Value BUT add 60% In quantity, and mainting the "old" BTC Value.
And markets didn't crash at the same time, so you can change market and stop trading on the dead ones.

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Shouldn't I just hold in USD?

You can Trade on USD/BTC with the same logic + stop loss parameters.

Okay, so the idea is that on the way down you can catch bounces in the markets. But I fail to see how you could come out winning if overall the alt coin markets have crashed by 60%???

I mean even if you manage to catch a few "dead Cat bouces", surely the value of your portfolio will still be way down. I am talking value in terms of dollars here.

For example, if CAT buys LTC for a price of 0.011 BTC and then the price of LTC drops below this I can either wait and hope it increases or initiate a stop loss criteria.

BTW does CAT provide stop loss functionality?

Let's say I take a 1% loss on LTC and move to a different market. Do I just have to hope I happen upon these "dead cat bounces"? I would want to be a very lucky man indeed to make anything in such a market in which all my assets are falling. Or I trade on 10 markets and have to initiate stop loss on 8 of them? I'm confused. What specific things does CAT offer to help me make gains in this type of falling market. Your answer to this question is very important as it will determine whether it is worth my while to buy and use CAT.

What has your experience over the last few months been?

Thanks for your time Sampey

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Quote from: JonBoy on October 29, 2014, 09:14:40 AM

So this means CAT has not been that successful over the last 6-8 months because pretty much all of the alt coins have fallen in value, right? Most have fallen by about 60% in value. Even btc has fallen by about 50% in that time. In this kind of a market, what is the point in buying a product that demands I spread my portfolio over lots of currencies - all of which are falling??

Or am I missing something?

No, this is not how it works.
A lot of markets during a crash could have a lot of "dead Cat bounce". So if you're able to catch the right moment you could loss 60% In Value BUT add 60% In quantity, and mainting the "old" BTC Value.
And markets didn't crash at the same time, so you can change market and stop trading on the dead ones.

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Shouldn't I just hold in USD?

You can Trade on USD/BTC with the same logic + stop loss parameters.

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Quote from: Sampey on October 29, 2014, 08:56:30 AM

Quote from: JonBoy on October 29, 2014, 08:35:26 AM

Hey everyone,

I am interested in the CAT bot. However, before purchasing what I would like to understand is if people have continued to have success with it although the alt coin market has been in bearish mode for a long time now. Correct me if I am wrong but with CAT I can trade across a large number of currency pairs on the markets you support. If 90% of those currencies have fallen in value during the time I have been running CAT, doesn't that mean no matter how well it performed as they fell in value, the end result is my portfolio has shrunken. Or have I missed something?

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Hi JonBoy,

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Correct me if I am wrong but with CAT I can trade across a large number of currency pairs on the markets you support. If 90% of those currencies have fallen in value during the time I have been running CAT, doesn't that mean no matter how well it performed as they fell in value, the end result is my portfolio has shrunken

You're right.
If you don't set ANY stop loss parameter and you continue working on a market during a crash, C.A.T. will continue works BUT probably your estimated portfolio will decrease.

But this is an universal market rule : if USD/BTC crash, all your Cryptocurrency portfolio value will decrease (even if you have only alt-currency)

Thanks for your fast answer Sampey!

So this means CAT has not been that successful over the last 6-8 months because pretty much all of the alt coins have fallen in value, right? Most have fallen by about 60% in value. Even btc has fallen by about 50% in that time. In this kind of a market, what is the point in buying a product that demands I spread my portfolio over lots of currencies - all of which are falling?? Shouldn't I just hold in USD?

Or am I missing something?

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Quote from: JonBoy on October 29, 2014, 08:35:26 AM

Hey everyone,

I am interested in the CAT bot. However, before purchasing what I would like to understand is if people have continued to have success with it although the alt coin market has been in bearish mode for a long time now. Correct me if I am wrong but with CAT I can trade across a large number of currency pairs on the markets you support. If 90% of those currencies have fallen in value during the time I have been running CAT, doesn't that mean no matter how well it performed as they fell in value, the end result is my portfolio has shrunken. Or have I missed something?

Best
JonBoy

Hi JonBoy,

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Correct me if I am wrong but with CAT I can trade across a large number of currency pairs on the markets you support. If 90% of those currencies have fallen in value during the time I have been running CAT, doesn't that mean no matter how well it performed as they fell in value, the end result is my portfolio has shrunken

You're right.
If you don't set ANY stop loss parameter and you continue working on a market during a crash, C.A.T. will continue works BUT probably your estimated portfolio will decrease.

But this is an universal market rule : if USD/BTC crash, all your Cryptocurrency portfolio value will decrease (even if you have only alt-currency)

JonBoy

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Hey everyone,

I am interested in the CAT bot. However, before purchasing what I would like to understand is if people have continued to have success with it although the alt coin market has been in bearish mode for a long time now. Correct me if I am wrong but with CAT I can trade across a large number of currency pairs on the markets you support. If 90% of those currencies have fallen in value during the time I have been running CAT, doesn't that mean no matter how well it performed as they fell in value, the end result is my portfolio has shrunken. Or have I missed something?

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JonBoy

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The core is working fine here. I've never had a problem with it.

I'm currently in "set it and forget it mode" ... As markets fluctuate ... CAT gets me my %min gain. I could probably get more return if I watched it constantly and tweaked the values but I don't.

Occasionally I'll have a pong that is for such a small amount that the fees are more than the actual gain resulting in a negitive gain. These are such a small amount that the loss is only a satoshi or two. I then remove the record from the Pool Orders and Trades and move on.

I only reset my position when I upgrade or reboot.

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Quote from: RenHoek on October 28, 2014, 10:37:59 AM

pls first improve the core before work on new api frontends.

if that's not an issue, I would be able to decide what to do and in what order Wink

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i think, ppl will think twice before purchase any new api front , before the core works in smart condition.

Actually core works in smart condition, and new customers are happy with that.
And i repeat the concept : with the add you're asking me, Core will not became smarter than now. But i will add these new parameters, no problem.

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Quote from: Sampey on October 28, 2014, 05:41:59 AM

Quote from: RenHoek on October 28, 2014, 03:06:16 AM

so as usual , let cat with the first sell, create pong with 1 . After second sell 1 -> recreate the pong 1+1 and so on, till the pong is risded to 10. With the elevent sell 1 , cat should create a second pong, becouse the last pong has rised to min volume and fill it till 10 ... and so on.

The problem is the "Reference Price" (The Ping Price), i can Merge 2 trades only if Reference Price is the same.
The "Merge Trades" function is into my todo list.

Quote from: Stratobitz on October 28, 2014, 05:18:14 AM

But the lack of this feature really makes it near impossible to use. You really have to watch it, all markets, all the time.

I don't agree with that.
A lot of "little ping" or "a big pong" doesn't change much, and also a "pool" limit doesn't change much.

I have A LOT of users, and nobody ask me for this features. And many of them ROI in less than 1 month.

C.A.T. is not Artificial Intelligence, if market changes and go against ping-pong rules there's nothing to do.

pls first improve the core before work on new api frontends. i think, ppl will think twice before purchase any new api front , before the core works in smart condition.

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Quote from: RenHoek on October 28, 2014, 03:06:16 AM

so as usual , let cat with the first sell, create pong with 1 . After second sell 1 -> recreate the pong 1+1 and so on, till the pong is risded to 10. With the elevent sell 1 , cat should create a second pong, becouse the last pong has rised to min volume and fill it till 10 ... and so on.

The problem is the "Reference Price" (The Ping Price), i can Merge 2 trades only if Reference Price is the same.
The "Merge Trades" function is into my todo list.

Quote from: Stratobitz on October 28, 2014, 05:18:14 AM

But the lack of this feature really makes it near impossible to use. You really have to watch it, all markets, all the time.

I don't agree with that.
A lot of "little ping" or "a big pong" doesn't change much, and also a "pool" limit doesn't change much.

I have A LOT of users, and nobody ask me for this features. And many of them ROI in less than 1 month.

C.A.T. is not Artificial Intelligence, if market changes and go against ping-pong rules there's nothing to do.

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Quote from: RenHoek on October 28, 2014, 03:06:16 AM

Quote from: Sampey on October 28, 2014, 02:56:47 AM

Ok, if you think this is a good idea, i will add in the 2.3 or 2.4 Wink

yea, This is necessary! Wink

and we Need a sulution for the pong Problem... maybe it is possible to Programm a adjustable buffer value (like a temp pool ) to get a min pong sell Volumen!?

maybe the way is:

ping is 100 -> sell 1 , sell 1, another sell 1 and so on...

we dont want many pongs with 1 it should be (adjustable) min 10...

so as usual , let cat with the first sell, create pong with 1 . After second sell 1 -> recreate the pong 1+1 and so on, till the pong is risded to 10. With the elevent sell 1 , cat should create a second pong, becouse the last pong has rised to min volume and fill it till 10 ... and so on.

or

let cat create a pool with volume min 10, after it is filled with min 10 let cat create pong from pool.

this would be just a buffer and should be easy programable Wink

I agree. Just purchased. Nice program. But the lack of this feature really makes it near impossible to use. You really have to watch it, all markets, all the time.

Strato

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Quote from: Sampey on October 28, 2014, 02:56:47 AM

Ok, if you think this is a good idea, i will add in the 2.3 or 2.4 Wink

yea, This is necessary! Wink

and we Need a sulution for the pong Problem... maybe it is possible to Programm a adjustable buffer value (like a temp pool ) to get a min pong sell Volumen!?

maybe the way is:

ping is 100 -> sell 1 , sell 1, another sell 1 and so on...

we dont want many pongs with 1 it should be (adjustable) min 10...

so as usual , let cat with the first sell, create pong with 1 . After second sell 1 -> recreate the pong 1+1 and so on, till the pong is risded to 10. With the elevent sell 1 , cat should create a second pong, becouse the last pong has rised to min volume and fill it till 10 ... and so on.

or

let cat create a pool with volume min 10, after it is filled with min 10 let cat create pong from pool.

this would be just a buffer and should be easy programable Wink

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Ok, if you think this is a good idea, i will add in the 2.3 or 2.4 Wink

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Quote from: Sampey on October 28, 2014, 02:39:37 AM

Quote from: RenHoek on October 28, 2014, 02:33:31 AM

Quote from: Sampey on October 28, 2014, 02:24:44 AM

Quote from: Stratobitz on October 27, 2014, 11:06:09 PM

Is there no way to set max buy amounts allowed? After a few successful Ping pongs you end up essentially doubling down again and again, so where I might start with a single buy at 0.02345 value in BTC, I've noticed over time I have single orders for .75 BTC.

I can add this feature but i don't understand the reason : C.A.T. will never use more than the TOTAL (Price * Quantity) of all PING Orders created by you.
If you set a Limit, this limit could work starting from Buy/Sell Pool.
Example :
Buy/Sell Pool Total = 100 + Never Create Buy Orders With Total > 50.
During Lookup 1 : C.A.T. will create a new Buy Orders of 50 Total, and left 50 In Pool.
During Lookup 2 : C.A.T. will create another Buy Orders of 50 Total, and left 0 In Pool.

Result is that you will have 2 new Ping (probably with the same values).

Could you explain me, how this new option could help you?

Example :
Buy/Sell Pool Total = 100 + Never Create Buy Orders With Total > 50.

it should be: never let rise Pool total > 50 (adjustable) = pool max volume!

This means that if you start with a PING Of (Total X PricE) 100 and you set Never Let Rise Pool total > 50 this is what happens :

Example
Ping @ Buy 100@1
TRADE FROM PING (1 Trade, Ping Filled) -> Pong Sell [email protected]
TRADE FROM PONG (1 Trade, Pong Filled) -> GAIN And Total is 100 * 1.1 = 110

110 -> 50 In Pool, 60 is discarded. Right?

yes

we add in a session Manual some pings eg 3 * 100 ... with luck there is 3 times a gain of 10 (*3) = total 330

we do not want automatic ping creation of more than total 100 (afk)

so the pool must not become over 100 330 -> 100 pool 230 discard = 100 pool

we add now new Manual ping 100 and gain 10 .

poll is already filled max -> so the additional 110 complet dicard!

just a pool max volumen! Grin

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Quote from: RenHoek on October 28, 2014, 02:33:31 AM

Quote from: Sampey on October 28, 2014, 02:24:44 AM

Quote from: Stratobitz on October 27, 2014, 11:06:09 PM

Is there no way to set max buy amounts allowed? After a few successful Ping pongs you end up essentially doubling down again and again, so where I might start with a single buy at 0.02345 value in BTC, I've noticed over time I have single orders for .75 BTC.

I can add this feature but i don't understand the reason : C.A.T. will never use more than the TOTAL (Price * Quantity) of all PING Orders created by you.
If you set a Limit, this limit could work starting from Buy/Sell Pool.
Example :
Buy/Sell Pool Total = 100 + Never Create Buy Orders With Total > 50.
During Lookup 1 : C.A.T. will create a new Buy Orders of 50 Total, and left 50 In Pool.
During Lookup 2 : C.A.T. will create another Buy Orders of 50 Total, and left 0 In Pool.

Result is that you will have 2 new Ping (probably with the same values).

Could you explain me, how this new option could help you?

Example :
Buy/Sell Pool Total = 100 + Never Create Buy Orders With Total > 50.

it should be: never let rise Pool total > 50 (adjustable) = pool max volume!

This means that if you start with a PING Of (Total X PricE) 100 and you set Never Let Rise Pool total > 50 this is what happens :

Example
Ping @ Buy 100@1
TRADE FROM PING (1 Trade, Ping Filled) -> Pong Sell [email protected]
TRADE FROM PONG (1 Trade, Pong Filled) -> GAIN And Total is 100 * 1.1 = 110

110 -> 50 In Pool, 60 is discarded. Right?

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Quote from: Sampey on October 28, 2014, 02:24:44 AM

Quote from: Stratobitz on October 27, 2014, 11:06:09 PM

Is there no way to set max buy amounts allowed? After a few successful Ping pongs you end up essentially doubling down again and again, so where I might start with a single buy at 0.02345 value in BTC, I've noticed over time I have single orders for .75 BTC.

I can add this feature but i don't understand the reason : C.A.T. will never use more than the TOTAL (Price * Quantity) of all PING Orders created by you.
If you set a Limit, this limit could work starting from Buy/Sell Pool.
Example :
Buy/Sell Pool Total = 100 + Never Create Buy Orders With Total > 50.
During Lookup 1 : C.A.T. will create a new Buy Orders of 50 Total, and left 50 In Pool.
During Lookup 2 : C.A.T. will create another Buy Orders of 50 Total, and left 0 In Pool.

Result is that you will have 2 new Ping (probably with the same values).

Could you explain me, how this new option could help you?

Example :
Buy/Sell Pool Total = 100 + Never Create Buy Orders With Total > 50.

it should be: never let rise Pool total > 50 (adjustable) = pool max volume!

never create pings with all tota l> 50

also we need a "dont create pongs < xx" althougt when you dont understud the reason Wink

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Quote from: Stratobitz on October 27, 2014, 11:06:09 PM

Is there no way to set max buy amounts allowed? After a few successful Ping pongs you end up essentially doubling down again and again, so where I might start with a single buy at 0.02345 value in BTC, I've noticed over time I have single orders for .75 BTC.

I can add this feature but i don't understand the reason : C.A.T. will never use more than the TOTAL (Price * Quantity) of all PING Orders created by you.
If you set a Limit, this limit could work starting from Buy/Sell Pool.
Example :
Buy/Sell Pool Total = 100 + Never Create Buy Orders With Total > 50.
During Lookup 1 : C.A.T. will create a new Buy Orders of 50 Total, and left 50 In Pool.
During Lookup 2 : C.A.T. will create another Buy Orders of 50 Total, and left 0 In Pool.

Result is that you will have 2 new Ping (probably with the same values).

Could you explain me, how this new option could help you?

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