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Topic: Bottlecaps 2.1 UPDATE REQUIRED - HARDFORK JULY 4 2014 to 200% Annual PoS (Read 388544 times)

hero member
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Looks like another case of an exchange essentially killing a coin.  And to think people pay for such exchanges to give them service.  But, in the long run it's the public who is to blame.  They never told anyone about the coin, never gave any away, even with such high staking percentages.  Then, there could have been some demand and the exchange would make some money.

tis the fate destined for many an altcoin



It would be interesting to have an off-exchange market for those of us still staking coins without a good exchange.  Even some exchanges are listing coins without support,  Maybe the exchange owners could be given a bounty to get their coins back up.

Airdrops to get more people staking are a good idea as well.
dnp
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Looks like another case of an exchange essentially killing a coin.  And to think people pay for such exchanges to give them service.  But, in the long run it's the public who is to blame.  They never told anyone about the coin, never gave any away, even with such high staking percentages.  Then, there could have been some demand and the exchange would make some money.

tis the fate destined for many an altcoin

hero member
Activity: 2646
Merit: 550
Looks like another case of an exchange essentially killing a coin.  And to think people pay for such exchanges to give them service.  But, in the long run it's the public who is to blame.  They never told anyone about the coin, never gave any away, even with such high staking percentages.  Then, there could have been some demand and the exchange would make some money.
newbie
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Any working addnodes?
Any working Block Explorer?
hero member
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Glad to see this thread still alive. If anyone wanted the chain revived I could setup some infrastructure.

The wallet is fairly large and even though I have some machines just for staking, with the freiexchange not keeping
the wallet running, I've stopped also.

There are some exchanges lately that have been giving free listings:

free listing exchange: https://xeggex.com/

Free listing exchange:  https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdqap8e97W-9jMqtpM55kbrpjriJLzD8OE2u0Djq_g8FtYngA/viewform
legendary
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Glad to see this thread still alive. If anyone wanted the chain revived I could setup some infrastructure.
hero member
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I did just send 1 CAP !

I got it. 

So what do you want to do next?





I don't have the space on my staking computers to keep running this wallet forever.   Please submit to the free exchanges and see what they say.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
newbie
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I did just send 1 CAP !



Can we all see if we are on the same chain?  Will someone send 1 CAP to this Bottlecaps Wallet:

F12jBuswNVouKMzRiY1Tt93MQaV86BgcYH   

I will know if I get it.

Thanks.

hero member
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Can we all see if we are on the same chain?  Will someone send 1 CAP to this Bottlecaps Wallet:

F12jBuswNVouKMzRiY1Tt93MQaV86BgcYH   

I will know if I get it.

Thanks.
hero member
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I did dare to make website to support this coin. We should talk to more exchanges to accept CAPs, now only one I know at Freiexchange has not working wallet, I did chat them, hope it will be fixed. I will offer also some real-life service (renting motorbike) for CAPs to make it more interesting project. Here is link , any suggestions welcomed!
https://twotowers.eu/bottlecaps/


Good work!  It's nice to have all that info on one page.

I booted up my wallet again.  It has three connections.  I'll see if it syncs.

I think I remember last time I had to restart it a few times to get it to sync.



Free listing exchanges:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdqap8e97W-9jMqtpM55kbrpjriJLzD8OE2u0Djq_g8FtYngA/viewform
https://xeggex.com/

newbie
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I did dare to make website to support this coin. We should talk to more exchanges to accept CAPs, now only one I know at Freiexchange has not working wallet, I did chat them, hope it will be fixed. I will offer also some real-life service (renting motorbike) for CAPs to make it more interesting project. Here is link , any suggestions welcomed!
https://twotowers.eu/bottlecaps/
hero member
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What are we going to do with all these coins?  The wallet isn't that bad compared to some, not that huge. 

The exchange has been useless over the last six month.  Like many small exchanges, it just takes the wallet offline and doesn't put it back on.

I booted up my wallet and saw there was 3 connections.  Again, better than many other coins out there.
hero member
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Great post.  The problem is that some coins are out of people's price ranges or where they feel comfortable taking risks. 

Hoping those who still have some CAP can keep the chain alive and maybe find out how to trade them on a DEX.

This is an old coin and it's wallet is probably better than MintCoin or GrowthCoin, which have huge wallets that take a lot of resources to run.  I saw that because this coin was updated a couple of years ago.   Not sure about it but obviously all three work fine.

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My philosophy is that these lower priced decent staking percentage coins that are on a good exchange are one of the reasons behind cryptocurrency.  It is to allow the average person to have a better return on their investment than banks by staking the coin and being an evangelist for the coin so others can also value by staking the coin.  Prosperity through education.

a book on staking in the works that mentions bottlecaps:
http://telicalbooks.com/Staking_Book_RSPearson.html

I read a bit of that, until

"The use of some coins, or utility as it's often called in cryptocurrency, is to create the value of producing for almost free more coins that one can sell for Bitcoin."

Utility in that context actually means 'use' in a different way, so the article is not quite accurate.

So Utility would be like if you have a keychain then it has utility as a keychain, but if you add a bottle opener then it has more utility, another use. A digital currency that has utility would be a digital currency that can be used for something besides being only 'money' with nothing, no value, underlying that. Creating more of itself is not actually utility. Primecoin has some utility because it finds prime numbers. Ethereum had utility to Vitalik Buterin because it made him rich, etc

Your staking strategy might be good if the underlying coin had utility, or if it were getting value from something, or creating use, value.

The problem is that all digital currencies now, all of them, get their value from speculative interest, from hoping the value goes up so you can sell it.

Staking is a way to get transactions confirmed on a network without a lot of energy intensive work, but as a way to make money, there is a problem which some people miss because they don't get the difference between price and market cap.

If you have a coin that pays 10% interest per year and you start with 10 coins then you will have 11 in a year.

But if there were 10 million total coins then at the end of a year there will be 11 million.

All other things being equal, when a coin pays 10% interest then its price will drop by 10% in that year. So you would have 10% more coins but each coin would be worth about 10% less.

The volatility of coins sort of hides that. So if you bought a coin at a penny and sold at a dollar, or vice versa, then the interest rate would be insignificant.

There used to be coins that had maybe 1,000% interest. It was a game of pumping the coins so people would buy them, thinking 1,000 percent interest would make them rich. But by the time they realized that when they have 1,000% more coins, the price of each coin drops, and the amount that they end up with is roughly the same value at the end of the year, no 1,000% gain, no gain at all unless they sell during a pump. And the people who buy during the pump will never get their money back unless they sell and buy a better coin that will go up.

Coins that only pay a stake and do absolutely nothing else are good coins to learn about digital currencies, but once you learn a little you should look for coins that do interesting things. Here are some examples

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/stellar/ has a lot of projects and a person can build their own coin on stellar. But stellar is expensive.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/decentraland/ has a virtual world where advertisers can set up shop. Mana is expensive.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/namecoin/ Second coin created after bitcoin. tries to provide dns service, its own websites, and other things.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/xaya/ A way for developers to build new games

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/geocoin/ Very cool coin, but may be vulnerable to geospoofers


Each of those coins provides some utility, in a way.
hero member
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My philosophy is that these lower priced decent staking percentage coins that are on a good exchange are one of the reasons behind cryptocurrency.  It is to allow the average person to have a better return on their investment than banks by staking the coin and being an evangelist for the coin so others can also value by staking the coin.  Prosperity through education.

a book on staking in the works that mentions bottlecaps:
http://telicalbooks.com/Staking_Book_RSPearson.html
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It is traded on freiexchange.com.  The support is always helpful and said they are syncing the wallet.

Freiexchange is an excellent exchange but kind of low volume until it becomes more popular.

They have about 700,000 cap at 2 satoshis, so a person could buy .07% of the money supply at 2 sats.

At 2 sats the market cap is 21 bitcoin or about 750,000 usd. Kind of expensive for a coin which

a) Is only on 23 watchlists at cmc https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bottlecaps/

b) Doesn't have a cryptoid, nor even a website

c) Has abysmal distribution

A new person who wants to take a chance on an old coin might do better with datacoin which is also on Freiexchange but has a website and a purpose sort of.
hero member
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It is traded on freiexchange.com.  The support is always helpful and said they are syncing the wallet.
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The new fork was traded as caps on livecoin before they shut down. Its not traded anywhere now afaik.

I agree that bottlecaps was a decent coin, but that was years ago. What makes a coin good is its community imho. If 1000 new people wanted to own cap the distribution would be better. But there probably isn't 1000 new people in the world who would even want to download and sync a QT wallet today. New people buy bsc tokens and other shitcoins they can store in multiicoin wallets on their phones. The era of legacy coins like bottlecaps is past.

There is one small thing that 'legacy' coins have though.

If some average joe or jane steps in to crypto today, with no experience, his or her first choice, if they have some idea for a coin, is to build it on some chain that facilitates making new coins.

Then though they need to onboard people etc, but there really is no perception of quality in the market.

If you have an utter shitcoin and a high quality coin there is absolutely no inclination by the public to gravitate toward the better coin. Everything is marketing, pump crews, scamming etc.

The difference with starting on an established older chain is that there are bagholders, some of them smart, who can bring muscle to a coin if it stands out a bit.

So, for example, with bottlecaps a person could spend their money buying up bottlecaps, and they would have both a stake and a pre built 'community' of more experienced types.

Coins have always been about pumping and waiting for a cash out, and they will be until better useful coins are developed.

regarding 'what makes a coin good is its community', that's really the core of the problem. Everybody wants to join a gang and nobody is really that interested in making decent coins. Back in the day bottlecaps was a way to learn about coins, but like all other coins once it was developed it just stagnated. 'active development' is just a scammy phrase that means wallets are updated, and 'community' is just a bunch of people waiting for somebody else to do something.
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The fork was a reverse split with lower emission. There hasn't been any exploit.

And there is nothing wrong the the current distribution. With minimal trading and just a few people still minting it's obvious that the coin supply get more concentrated as time passes. If someone wanted to buy 10% of the network it wouldn't cost much.

Thanks, didn't know it was a reverse split. Seems though that there should be a lower number of cap and a higher number of the new symbol, so did they switch tickers or I'm missing something obvious?

Disagree about the distribution though. Coin supply being 'more concentrated' is too much of an understatement.

Either way, I honestly would be careful until there were cryptoids for both chains and a person can check things themself.

Bottlecaps was a decent coin at one point, a lot of people involved and an easy way for somebody to learn the basics. Right now it is a monopoly coin with too many coins held by too few people. It's nice to buy up most of a coin in altwinter and then just wait for people to pile in and buy up a person's bags, but there really doesn't seem to be a lot offered by cap unless something is done to make it useful, give it a new function in the crypto world.

The new fork was traded as caps on livecoin before they shut down. Its not traded anywhere now afaik.

I agree that bottlecaps was a decent coin, but that was years ago. What makes a coin good is its community imho. If 1000 new people wanted to own cap the distribution would be better. But there probably isn't 1000 new people in the world who would even want to download and sync a QT wallet today. New people buy bsc tokens and other shitcoins they can store in multiicoin wallets on their phones. The era of legacy coins like bottlecaps is past.
hero member
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What if some of those coins outstanding are never going to be spent?  Isn't that a possibility?
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