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Topic: Bottlecaps 2.1 UPDATE REQUIRED - HARDFORK JULY 4 2014 to 200% Annual PoS - page 189. (Read 388610 times)

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199.180.115.100

50.137.233.14

Still on the right chain looking into it more now

Well I'm not getting the chain I was on earlier in the day, I had confirmed transactions to cryptsy up till 2 hours ago, the new chain I downloaded is all orphans back to 2.5 days ago.
legendary
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199.180.115.100

50.137.233.14

Still on the right chain looking into it more now
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Thank you mullick for all your hard work....I hope you have sometime for a little r&r during the next three days. As much as I like to see things working well we all do need a break now and again.
legendary
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Great...

My home server is on the right chain still yet again with 48 connections now.  50.137.233.14 Looking into the other server which I fixed last night

1.4.1 will be out tomorrow if not late tonight. I have 3 days off work now.  A kind soul has setup another node at addnode= 54.221.200.186

connect= should only be used if you are on the wrong chain to sync to the correct one. That will force your client to download from that node. Once you are synced change to addnode and add the others
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Still no issues with mine

Block 65866 matching the block explorers using:
connect=199.180.115.100
addnode=199.180.115.100
addnode=199.180.115.125
addnode=50.137.233.14

I heard one of the trusted nodes is running the wrong client I'm guessing its not the one I am connected to or the 50.137.233.14. I am also told 1.4.1 will address this as well as add UPNP and should be out tomorrow. Maybe more cap lovers could offer up some good trusted nodes would help the folks with issues.

I can't connect to 199.180.115.100 at all, I just get the following over and over again in my log:

Code:
send version message: version 60008, blocks=0, us=0.0.0.0:0, them=199.180.115.100:7685, peer=199.180.115.100:7685
socket closed
disconnecting node 199.180.115.100
trying connection 199.180.115.100 lastseen=0.0hrs
connected 199.180.115.100
send version message: version 60008, blocks=0, us=0.0.0.0:0, them=199.180.115.100:7685, peer=199.180.115.100:7685
socket closed
disconnecting node 199.180.115.100
trying connection 199.180.115.100 lastseen=0.0hrs
connected 199.180.115.100
send version message: version 60008, blocks=0, us=0.0.0.0:0, them=199.180.115.100:7685, peer=199.180.115.100:7685
socket closed
disconnecting node 199.180.115.100
trying connection 199.180.115.100 lastseen=0.0hrs
connected 199.180.115.100
send version message: version 60008, blocks=0, us=0.0.0.0:0, them=199.180.115.100:7685, peer=199.180.115.100:7685
socket closed
disconnecting node 199.180.115.100
trying connection 199.180.115.100 lastseen=0.0hrs
connected 199.180.115.100
send version message: version 60008, blocks=0, us=0.0.0.0:0, them=199.180.115.100:7685, peer=199.180.115.100:7685
socket closed
disconnecting node 199.180.115.100
trying connection 199.180.115.100 lastseen=0.0hrs
connected 199.180.115.100
send version message: version 60008, blocks=0, us=0.0.0.0:0, them=199.180.115.100:7685, peer=199.180.115.100:7685

Also, won't the connect line prevent addnodes from being used?  My understanding was if you have a connect= line, the daemon will ONLY try to connect to that server and not connect to any other nodes.
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i cant remember which was the bad node but i think it was that addnode=199.180.115.125 as mullick verified. i left only the 2 from OP
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Still no issues with mine

Block 65866 matching the block explorers using:
connect=199.180.115.100
addnode=199.180.115.100
addnode=199.180.115.125
addnode=50.137.233.14

I heard one of the trusted nodes is running the wrong client I'm guessing its not the one I am connected to or the 50.137.233.14. I am also told 1.4.1 will address this as well as add UPNP and should be out tomorrow. Maybe more cap lovers could offer up some good trusted nodes would help the folks with issues.

Well I just cut and pasted the list above into my .conf file....deleted everything except the wallet and .conf file. When I open the wallet it briefly connects to one of the above nodes and then disconnects and that's it. I guess I'll wait for the new version.

Edit: Deleted the line connect=199.180.115.100 and download started....not a big loss...always good to have an adventure or two with these things.
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Still no issues with mine

Block 65866 matching the block explorers using:
connect=199.180.115.100
addnode=199.180.115.100
addnode=199.180.115.125
addnode=50.137.233.14

I heard one of the trusted nodes is running the wrong client I'm guessing its not the one I am connected to or the 50.137.233.14. I am also told 1.4.1 will address this as well as add UPNP and should be out tomorrow. Maybe more cap lovers could offer up some good trusted nodes would help the folks with issues.
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I get my connect nodes directly from the OP although I've noticed they are not always the same from forum to forum. It did sync up again; but, I'm still on a different chain. I think when it was trying to sync that my wallet briefly saw the other chain and I guess the other network. Shutting it down now and will down load the block chain again in a few days when it's sorted out.
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So, the blockchain I downloaded now was split at block 62731 (at least, that's the last block we found, after that all are orphans).  That block is from 8/6 at 18:59 GMT...
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Looks like your connect= node isn't responding anymore..  That might be the reason the network split again.
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redownloaded block chain, now my wallet is showing 2.x, coinchoose still showing 1.x, and all our blocks for the past day are orphaned.
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Yes my wallet just suddenly went out of sync.....and seems to be behind block wise....was mining away at 6 to 7 blocks an hour so do I loose those? Or does the chain I was on win? And still finding blocks. Only 10 connections had maybe 30 earlier.

Actually 13 blocks in last hour and based on the number of confirms...it's almost like I'm on my own unique chain now from 12 blocks back only 14 confirms.

Any recommendations here? Do shutdown and reload the block chain (assume I'll loose that last hour). With difficulty dropping like a stone sure mining a lot of useless blocks.


Best I can tell from the block explorers is I've been on the wrong chain since noon....at the two wallet addresses it seems to have alternated between it shows the last mined blocks back in July. So of the 40 or so blocks mined since noon none are in the Block Explorer....considering the large number of nodes I was connected to I really would like an explanation.

Back to litecoin mining for now.
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Something wrong with CAPS again. Big Verns pool diff is 1.xxx, and Erundook pool is 0.xxx?

My pool is showing 0.71..  Coinchoose 1.145
legendary
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Something wrong with CAPS again. Big Verns pool diff is 1.xxx, and Erundook pool is 0.xxx?
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Okay up and running already mined my first block....I'll watch for any POS blocks as well and let you know if I find any while mining.

ISAWHIM was completely right about the wallet needing to be unlocked for mining and not just minting.

Yes he is 100% accurate there

The wallet needs to be unlocked before your miners start their work

Interestingly my miners did work...they were just unable to pass the found blocks to the wallet, cache them for latter submission and then they would expire when a new block was found on the network.
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Have you mined Bottlecaps today?
Okay up and running already mined my first block....I'll watch for any POS blocks as well and let you know if I find any while mining.

ISAWHIM was completely right about the wallet needing to be unlocked for mining and not just minting.

Yes he is 100% accurate there

The wallet needs to be unlocked before your miners start their work
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Have you mined Bottlecaps today?
The issue I have, related to numbers/value... is...

You keep displaying a "similar system", saying there are changes to THAT system, but you keep showing us the "similar system" information.

There is no charts, or even block-info segregation, indicating the POS blocks, which should be listed separate from the POW blocks. Additionally, the "total coins", is a total of minted and POS-rewards and destroyed coins, with no separation, or possibility to even estimate. (Even if we knew most of the above information.)

The "transaction fees", which are not a requirement... are being said to "balance" the POS rewards... Which is just untrue. There is no code, or data to back-up that statement. The only statement which was made clear, was that POS reward is not actually rewarding, as it was not intended to be a form of "income" or "actual gain".

However... if the only POS reward that was generated, came from a "fixed transfer fee", that WOULD be a "balance". EG, 1000 coins destroyed = 1000 coins rewarded to POS

Since POS is essentially useless as income, there is no incentive to "save coins for POS". Thus, useless bloat to the system at the moment. No security is offered by making these coins unavailable to everyone, including an attacker, who has no interest in them in the first place. They only care about the "rewarding blocks"... For it to be security, POW should be nearly zero, and POS should be high.

Since fees simply get destroyed, there is no reason in hell that anyone would/should ever pay fees. That offers no security, or incentive to pay. Normally incentive is to get a faster transaction. However, if the pools, or solo-miners do NOT get that reward, why would that transaction ever be faster? We are not earning anything by doing that transaction over any other transaction, which still ends-up being processed anyways... Thus, fees are actually just more bloat, since they don't do anything.

That could easily be changed, even now... (at a system-level), since all that information is historically still recorded in the chain. But, moving forward like it is... the result will still be the same. The more transactions, the more coins that "disappear", from the "total" and the less that are "staked". The less transactions, the more coins that are "staked", and the more the total will increase. Without any actual consideration for balance, other than "hope".

P.S. For those who wish to not participate in the destruction of coins, via fees that have no impact on rewards to those processing your transactions... Use the commands below to start your wallets...

-mintxrelayfee=0.00000000
-mintxfee=0.00000000

or 0.00000001 if the program gives you issues with "free transactions"


I get your points. Let me try to explain more.

The reason the fees are in place is to prevent transaction spam attacks. Of which Litecoin was a victim too. If there was no tx fee a malicious individual could send countless thousands of small transactions in a short period of time and bring transactions to a crawl. They could make it so there is essentially a waiting list for transactions to get into a block. Therefore a tx fee is needed to make this sort of attack costly

Tx fee destruction is not meant to equal or negate inflation caused by PoS

Inflation by PoS is one of the biggest concerns investors have. TX fee destruction is only meant to slightly decrease total inflation on a yearly basis. Caps is by no means the first to do so. The system works quite well for PPC, NVC, BTB, BTG, YAC, YAB, CGB, and all other hybrid PoW/PoS currencys

It is trully a fine balance between too little reward and too much.

Too high of a reward will lead to rampant hoarding and larger inflation caused by PoS

Too low of a reward and no miners will have any incentive to offer up their coins. The reason for the PoS reward is to give users that would already be holding coins incentive to open up their wallet and use the currency as a network defense. They will be slightly rewarded for this but not too much where to where they will never spend the coins.

I see nothing in the code that would prevent PoS minting while also PoW mining but i am not 100% posotive on this. Will look over it once again

Also the graphs I pointed out earlier Do show a separation between Pos generation and Pow generation

Currently due to the algorithm which determined reward the total amount of coins generated from PoS minting is 5.8 caps Barley visible on the graph. This counteracts 5800 transactions with fee destruction. More and more stake blocks are being generated each day. Currently the ROI is 2% With the move to 5% many more people will open their wallets and starting minting blocks.

I hope this clears some things up let me know if you have any more concerns


 

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Okay up and running already mined my first block....I'll watch for any POS blocks as well and let you know if I find any while mining.

ISAWHIM was completely right about the wallet needing to be unlocked for mining and not just minting.
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Also, since the question seems to be skirted by everyone...

Do I have to "stop mining POW" to "start minting POS"... (Eg, stop using cgminer.)

I realize that you don't have to "mine POS", it just happens when your wallet is open... However, it seems like I may not be getting any POS minted, because my wallet is POW mining.

(Is that why there is no mining ability in the wallet, because the CPU is used to MINT POS, or is someone-else doing the MINTing for us? Something is creating the block with our unlocked credentials.)

If it is CPU mining creating the POS, then I will open another wallet with these credentials, or 100, just for that.

When I found that POS block I was not mining. It would be interesting to hear from others who have found POS blocks and if they were mining solo when found. I'll start mining some CAPS again and watch for POS block.
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