Topic: Bottlecaps 2.1 UPDATE REQUIRED - HARDFORK JULY 4 2014 to 200% Annual PoS - page 98. (Read 388610 times)

Quote from: FlungSpun on July 06, 2014, 11:18:22 AM

EDIT: @PressF1, do you know how old were your blocks when they staked?

Not exactly but more or less i do, cause the older they are the more stake they produce, combine that with the amount staking and you can get an idea of their coinage:

Say your block is 100 cap at day 15 it has a weight of 0 and a stake percentage of 8.3%
At day 30 weight is 1500 (1 per cap per day) with a stake percentage of 16.6% and so on.

so if your block of 100 produces a stake 17 you know it's age must have been 30days=1500 weight
In this example the yearly pos rate is 200%. If it gets lower you should take that in account.

One thing I don't take in account is max of 45 days in caps case. Then probably the weight isn't getting larger anymore so no need for complex calculations anymore. Haven't observed this though, so not sure about that.

I was asking in order to support my theory, were you about at 30 days of age, or more ?

Yes all the blocks that staked were older than 30 days. 33 days is observed minimum. I must add that most of my blocks are quite old though. If I don't forget I'll let you know when stakes < 30 days occur.

I guess the only other thing that needs confirming (I think I have seen this on the explorers already)
Is that stakes that should be receiving more than the cap are being pegged back to 1k and not ignored or rejected
obviously my blocks would have got significantly more than 1k but I am expecting 1k exactly per block

I've had a 5k block of exactly 46 day old, got 1000 CAP on the 4th. if there was no cap, I would of seen 1260 CAP. if it had a bug, I wouldn' t have seen anything. so I can confirm everything runs smooth.

There is just this mid min/max range threshold before staking that bugs me

I have seen the 1000 max stake at work as well in the BC. So I guess that's fine. I looked more closely to my stakes and made more precise calculations and must come to the conclusion that my observed minimum is a little larger than earlier estimated: 35 days, never less.

unick

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EDIT: @PressF1, do you know how old were your blocks when they staked?

Not exactly but more or less i do, cause the older they are the more stake they produce, combine that with the amount staking and you can get an idea of their coinage:

Say your block is 100 cap at day 15 it has a weight of 0 and a stake percentage of 8.3%
At day 30 weight is 1500 (1 per cap per day) with a stake percentage of 16.6% and so on.

so if your block of 100 produces a stake 17 you know it's age must have been 30days=1500 weight
In this example the yearly pos rate is 200%. If it gets lower you should take that in account.

One thing I don't take in account is max of 45 days in caps case. Then probably the weight isn't getting larger anymore so no need for complex calculations anymore. Haven't observed this though, so not sure about that.

I was asking in order to support my theory, were you about at 30 days of age, or more ?

Yes all the blocks that staked were older than 30 days. 33 days is observed minimum. I must add that most of my blocks are quite old though. If I don't forget I'll let you know when stakes < 30 days occur.

I guess the only other thing that needs confirming (I think I have seen this on the explorers already)
Is that stakes that should be receiving more than the cap are being pegged back to 1k and not ignored or rejected
obviously my blocks would have got significantly more than 1k but I am expecting 1k exactly per block

I've had a 5k block of exactly 46 day old, got 1000 CAP on the 4th. if there was no cap, I would of seen 1260 CAP. if it had a bug, I wouldn' t have seen anything. so I can confirm everything runs smooth.

There is just this mid min/max range threshold before staking that bugs me

unick

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Activity: 504

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EDIT: @PressF1, do you know how old were your blocks when they staked?

Not exactly but more or less i do, cause the older they are the more stake they produce, combine that with the amount staking and you can get an idea of their coinage:

Say your block is 100 cap at day 15 it has a weight of 0 and a stake percentage of 8.3%
At day 30 weight is 1500 (1 per cap per day) with a stake percentage of 16.6% and so on.

so if your block of 100 produces a stake 17 you know it's age must have been 30days=1500 weight
In this example the yearly pos rate is 200%. If it gets lower you should take that in account.

One thing I don't take in account is max of 45 days in caps case. Then probably the weight isn't getting larger anymore so no need for complex calculations anymore. Haven't observed this though, so not sure about that.

I was asking in order to support my theory, were you about at 30 days of age, or more ?

Yes all the blocks that staked were older than 30 days. 33 days is observed minimum. I must add that most of my blocks are quite old though. If I don't forget I'll let you know when stakes < 30 days occur.

Ok thanks, it's good to know.

so far it looks like what I observed on GrowthCoin, no stake was generated under 9 days there.

I'll keep an eye on the 33 days minimum. So I guess if flungspun doesn't get his stake around 6pm tonight... then the next target to look for would be around 33 days.

It would be good to know if anyone can report a stake before 30 days (or near the minimum age)

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EDIT: @PressF1, do you know how old were your blocks when they staked?

Not exactly but more or less i do, cause the older they are the more stake they produce, combine that with the amount staking and you can get an idea of their coinage:

Say your block is 100 cap at day 15 it has a weight of 0 and a stake percentage of 8.3%
At day 30 weight is 1500 (1 per cap per day) with a stake percentage of 16.6% and so on.

so if your block of 100 produces a stake 17 you know it's age must have been 30days=1500 weight
In this example the yearly pos rate is 200%. If it gets lower you should take that in account.

One thing I don't take in account is max of 45 days in caps case. Then probably the weight isn't getting larger anymore so no need for complex calculations anymore. Haven't observed this though, so not sure about that.

I was asking in order to support my theory, were you about at 30 days of age, or more ?

Yes all the blocks that staked were older than 30 days. 33 days is observed minimum. I must add that most of my blocks are quite old though. If I don't forget I'll let you know when stakes < 30 days occur.

I guess the only other thing that needs confirming (I think I have seen this on the explorers already)
Is that stakes that should be receiving more than the cap are being pegged back to 1k and not ignored or rejected
obviously my blocks would have got significantly more than 1k but I am expecting 1k exactly per block

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EDIT: @PressF1, do you know how old were your blocks when they staked?

Not exactly but more or less i do, cause the older they are the more stake they produce, combine that with the amount staking and you can get an idea of their coinage:

Say your block is 100 cap at day 15 it has a weight of 0 and a stake percentage of 8.3%
At day 30 weight is 1500 (1 per cap per day) with a stake percentage of 16.6% and so on.

so if your block of 100 produces a stake 17 you know it's age must have been 30days=1500 weight
In this example the yearly pos rate is 200%. If it gets lower you should take that in account.

One thing I don't take in account is max of 45 days in caps case. Then probably the weight isn't getting larger anymore so no need for complex calculations anymore. Haven't observed this though, so not sure about that.

I was asking in order to support my theory, were you about at 30 days of age, or more ?

Yes all the blocks that staked were older than 30 days. 33 days is observed minimum. I must add that most of my blocks are quite old though. If I don't forget I'll let you know when stakes < 30 days occur.

EDIT: I get where you're going. Maybe somewhere in the code the original 30 days minimum was not reset to 15 days.

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