Topic: Bounty managers and newbie bounty hunters (Read 772 times)

Well, I suspect I do know a bit about bounties. I participated in the past, saw the good and the ugly of it. I benefited from some as a hunter and lost many too. I dare say that not all bounties are scams and I believe it's on that premise that many hunters subscribe to help advertise them. However, I don't think that feeling is mutual between hunters and the bounties because some of these bounty projects have it set to scam the public from the beginning. I once called out a project here in the past and it was on a scammy behaviour. Going forward, my candid advice is for newbies who indulge bounties to put in more efforts at their posts so they can rank up. With that they can get into Bitcoin paying campaigns.

I'm only speaking in defence of the innocent ones who are in genuine need of money and erroneously believe that enrolling in bounties is the way out.

How interesting. I think you know the whole purpose of bounty companies, don't you? Bounty hunters must advertise the project to attract new investors. Do all hunters care what and when to advertise? If they attract people with their diligence who later invest their money in a scam and then turn out to be deceived, how many of them will be very upset? You know, I don't think there's even one. The only thing your poor bounty hunters care about is getting their shitcoins, no matter how or in what way they are mined. I do not deny that someone is really honest, but mostly cheaters "work." Why should we pity them? They deceive some and then get the opposite.

No one is forcing them to advertise scams at gunpoint. So stop being very compassionate. If a thief has nothing to eat, this does not justify his theft.

Sometimes, I feel for these beginners because I know an appreciable number of them enrol in bounties so they can make some money to put food on the table. Sadly, most projects exploit their navity and deny them what is rightly due to them at the end of bounties. They often don't get paid. These scumbag managers know newbies are likely not going to open threads to drag their reputations or have the ability to get DTs to tag those fraudulent projects and their managers. They exploit them to no end. I hate to see this and have ceased visiting bounty threads for a long time now. The altcoin section, honestly, needs to be sanitizer.

This discussion will remain as discussion only if managers will just talk about this and doesn't implement this new rules to their campaign so there must be one reputable campaign manager should implement this rule so that the rules on bounty campaigns will slowly change and we can see a huge decline of newbie accounts abusing some campaigns here.

Hm I don't see how this Twitter blue thing will affect the bounty campaigns as everyone will still be able to use twitter normally like before, without paying. Its just that blue checkmark thing will be easily available for everyone willing to pay $8 per month ( I read that is already available in a few countries). Well, unless manager don't start putting that as a requirement to join, which of course won't happen.

Whether they are paid in tokens or anything else the number of users that join should at least be real, not 10 people with 50 accounts. Anyways, I think we are going to start seeing a lot less participants in Twitter campaigns once the 8$ per month fee starts nor that Elon Musk is monetizing Twitter. 

I was going to say the exact words of yours.
I'm sorry that I am unable to read through the whole thread, but replying based on this last comment. I have been kinda busy.
I have seen some accounts with legendary activity buy still newbies.
Someone who is promoting a project on Twitter has no business with the forum but to drop daily or weekly links. And no one gives merit to bunches of bounty links. This means some accounts can stay upto 6 months without receiving a single merit. So, waiting for aome accounts to rank up to jr member might not happen.

Usually in bounty campaign we see thousands of hunters to join and almost all of them are newbie who joined long ago but never received any merit or ranked even above to Jr. If you ask Members minimum and tell the payment will be in worthless token then all of them will drop. In a campaign finding may be 20 users will be difficult.

On the other hand, someone who is promoting a project on Twitter, he really do not need to have a good forum account. It's require for signature campaign.

Setting an entry level to Member and above will certainly reduce on spam tremendously but then again most campaigns won't get the desired exposure as this is a game of numbers when it comes to marketing a project, I suppose a condition of say 100 constructive posts should be made in the last 120 days or previous 3months and things should get better from here.

I know many of them cheated but 67 accounts could belong to a few people who work in a group. I am not taking any side here but I still think most of the newbies are legit users. The problem is few cheaters hold too many accounts that look like there are lots of bounty cheaters. I support your decision though it will hurt all types of hunters. But sometimes we need to be curled to be kind.

Sure, they'll get reported, but if hundreds of Newbies start shitposting the tech boards hoping to earn some Merit, good users will abandon those boards too.

I have nothing against Newbies on the tech boards, but they should be there for the right reasons.

Most people do That brings us back to the few people with many alt-accounts who earn from spamming.

They need to receive merits to get higher ranks and that is not so easy if someone is shitposting spam everywhere, and they will certainly get reported sooner or later.
I would suggest members to spend they merits more carefully, but you can't force newbies to stay isolated in bounty boards, unless some rule change happens.

Most of them accept Bitcoin, but you can check their individual topic pages to see what coins they accept for payment.
I know for a fact that Lauda accepted bunch of shitcoins like Elrond and others for his work (along with Bitcoin), but he probably sold them all for Bitcoin or fiat later.

Every merchandise finds it's buyer, and it's like cat and mouse game, trying to sell this tokens on time.
No name managers with shitty campaigns are attracting no name spammers, so they are almost living in parallel bitcointalk universe.
I think we should have some rating for managers, and people should generally avoid participating in any campaigns that don't pay at least partially in escrowed Bitcoin.

From my view manager should allow only from member rank on a certain bounty campaign and I believe it will reduced the act of being cheated because losing a member account could be very painful to them but just Jr. Members can be easily generated since it requires only a merits to rank up to jr by which manager risk could also be reduced and you know when there is no much newbies tension reduces, trust me newbies are the worst sets of people to deals with.

This proves a point I was making.

When paying with altcoin will not be allowed then 99.9% of those scam projects can not advertise on the forum. Since they can not advertise, 382 newbie account will not be created and send abusive merit to rank to Jr. The remaining 0.1% are considering legit project and they would have fair amount of budget to spend. Since they will pay cash, they will obviously hire users who have good work ethics and capable to follow instructions.

It's both way beneficial. Forum will get rid of those newbie bounty hunters accounts, at least they know that they will need to have a good account reputation to join a bounty so they will become serious. Legit projects will get organic traffic to their projects who will actually buy their offers.

Here is my opinion,
Tagging managers won't be a good point. Because spam and DT system isn't the same. If a newbie can create a bounty thread then why should the manager be tagged due to accepting newbies? We don't have a manager's community here where we can discuss everything. It seems anyone could be a manager even newbies. So I do not agree with tagging managers unless they do a crime.

I agree with not allowing newbies to the bounty campaign but this is only possible if the forum prevents them to post on the bounty section or all the managers together decide that. Everyone here has the right to earn, but let them become mature. Just joining bounty isn't a good practice. Whoever even can't earn merit we can't expect a good result from them whether it's a bounty or any other thing. We know most bounty hunters are just like bots. Even their social media are botted.

Eventually, it's will exist the same if the forum doesn't prevent them from posting on the bounty section.

Unfortunately this will never happen. As a few have already said, these companies pay in shit tokens which makes it little risk for them. It's done that way deliberately, so they have little to no risk. They lose the cost of making the token ($20-100), the cost of a manager (tokens-$200 or whatever is negotiated, and they risk time to possibly sell a load of worthless tokens. 99.9% of bounties are a scam that never list or if they do they list on a shit exchange with little to no buy support.

So getting them to pay everyone in an established coin will be nearly impossible. Also like others have stated, there are plenty of no named managers who will always take a campaign no matter what their payment method is.

I think starting with junior member will be kind of low, one person can just struggle to rank one of his account to member rank which after getting to member rank, he will start giving his alt accounts 1 merit which automatically his alt accounts are already in junior member, but if managers set standard to be member rank and above, it will be difficult for a bounty hunter to rank all his account to member rank, if you receive 10 merits, you will be able to send only 5 merits, so even if he will be sharing merits among his alt accounts it won't be easy, and he will be exposed easily if the alts account are not making quality posts and they keep on receiving merit from the same user.
Just assume a user with 5 alts accounts was caught and given negative trust, am sure it will really affect the user and he won't just create another multiple accounts because he knows even if he create them it won't be easy to rank up to member rank, so the user will just create one and focus on it, which some people wont even be able to rank 1 account up to member rank so they will have to give up.

If I look roughly, there are more beginners than the Jr. members. Members in this forum, probably a larger percentage of beginners than members who rank high as Jr. equivalent, if beginners are no longer allowed to register in the Bounty campaign, I think many bounty companies die, the company's target is not achieved, as well as the forum will have a negative effect.

I see a bigger percentage of Bounty campaigns promoting on YouTube, Articles, Tiktok, Telegram, Twitter, Facebook etc. this media is mostly used by beginners, high ranking members rarely use these media, Moreover, the Bounty campaign for signatures is also very minimal, plus tokens that have no selling value in the market, I think that banning beginners in Bounty can have a negative effect on the forum and also Bounty companies that want to advertise.

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In my opinion, if the Bounty campaign, beginners are not allowed to enter, it's better to just change the Bounties (Altcoins) board into a discussion board, all Bounty companies that advertise on this forum must take Bitcoin payment methods, not tokens, implement a full (signature) based campaign.
Question...! is it possible, of course I don't think so, it's the same if all Bounty managers forbid newbies to promote their Bounty campaigns in social media methods, regardless of the Alt account involved or not...that's a different story.

The problem is here.

That's the source of the problem, I know beginners often create Alt accounts with more than two or three accounts to get profit and luck in the same Bounty/token.

Back to the basic rules, having multiple accounts is not banned, while they obey the existing rules, both forum rules and bounty rules, this is a problem that has not been resolved so far, they still violate, even though they have been caught several.

Back to the main problem, just think of it in this forum as living in the real world, the problems are endless, criminal acts still exist, even though the laws and rules are enforced, let the rookies do their activities in the Bounty campaign and let the police work by the existing rules.

Theymos don't care what happens in the bounty section because it doesn't benefit the forum financially. It's an independent business, and only the campaign managers can set a certain set of rules, but the community still has the right to fight dishonesty by informing and suggesting managers rules, and anyone who does not follow it may face some sort of punishment...

Haha, no genuine newbie will find his way to the bounty sections on his first day, isn't that one of the forum's hidden sub-boards? It was one of my key findings alts back then. Hah

Some time ago I talked to one of the team members of one altcoin project that had bounty campaign here and because altcoin was already listed on some solid exchanges there was a lot of interest. After bounty campaign was over they distributed tokens and since they weren't satisfied with the results, he did some blockchain analysis that showed how in reality no more than 10 people grabbed 90% of the tokens, while ~500 people were awarded with tokens. So yeah, its definitely controlled by a small group of people.


That's the thing, they don't get good exposure as all those alt accounts usually follow each other so reach is non existent while I"m sure that bounty managers promise something else.


From what I noticed, bounty managers usually have their own Telegram groups from where they got all those bounty hunters to join, and joining that group is a must, like for example in this bounty campaign so i don't think that it would be that hard to identify them even if they use alt accounts.


Aren't managers usually paid in BTC or some other already listed currency? Well, at least those with some reputation.


Bounty hunters destroying the projects? They usually get tokens when they are completely worthless so if bounty hunters manage so i seriously doubt that.

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@yahoo62278 have you ever tried implementing this rule, of no newbies joining the campaign? If not, maybe its worth a try just to see how it will work out and how many participants you would get.