Topic: Bounty managers and newbie bounty hunters - page 2. (Read 772 times)

Let the bounty hunters to get paid by established coins if not bitcoin for their work. Managers will not need to worry about allowing newbies because the genuine members will start showing interests. The promoters want free marketing and expect to have massive good things from that marketing? Nothing is free.

Are you sure that most of the DT even deserve to be in the DT network? Forget about the feedback they leave. These days the DT network is filled with vulnerable users who are doing everything to have a place in the network.

All these 382 newbie will find a way to receive 1 merit and will post the proof of authentication. Result is 382 merit used in abuse LOL

In my opinion, stop paying for any service in token/altcoin but accept only bitcoin (it's a bitcoin forum). 1st: Scam projects will not come here and spend cash in advertising. 2nd: Since scam projects will stop coming, the genuine projects will start getting their attention and they will feel encouraged to spend money on marketing. 3rd: Since it will be paid by bitcoin (genuine cash), good users will start joining bounty and managers will not need to worry about having less participants  to accept newbies.

I honestly think of this before, I carefully checked each of the user's report and that's where I find them cheating (Aside from checking the addresses). Most of the cheater's I've caught are all newbies and new created accounts and even if we tagged them they are just going to change the social media username, address and create new account.

I was thinking of only allowing member and above accounts to join the campaign as jr member (1 merit requirement) is easy to achieve and probably a lot of people would sell their merits to these people. The only disadvantage I can think of is the number of participants would be limited and not all the higher rank members in the forum are interested in joining the bounty as we all know most of them are really not worth joining as only few of them managed to be successful projects.

I don't think tagging managers for allowing them to join newbies would be a good idea as there's some users/newbie accounts only owned one account and actually working fair, what solution that came to my mind is prohibiting newbie users to access the bounties section unless they've meet at least 10 merits as I think tagging them a negative trust wouldn't do good but personally I was planning soon to accept only a jr member and above users.

I took the latest thread on patrol: this one. It has 21 pages, so "All" is available. It has 415 posts, 2 of those from OP.
In the page source, I can easily search for:
Somehow the total adds up to 415 again, despite not counting OP. I'm not sure why, but you get the idea:
92% of the posts come from Newbies.

@LoyceV, since you are here-
Can you take any of the bounty threads which has both Twitter and Facebook campaign and share the data with us which rank have posted there in that bounty thread in the below format-
X amount - Newbies
Y amount - Jr Member
and goes on.
Though I know more than 95% will be newbie only.

Yahoo62278 , He is undoubtedly a bounty manager of a different scale.  He has a great reputation on the forums, especially because his projects get a lot of participants that other bounty managers don't.  Nowadays it can be seen that most of the bounty hunters participate in the bounty by creating multiple accounts.  Bounty managers must take some important steps to stop this criminal trend.

Currently, bounty hunters without understanding the value of the project immediately sell the token at a cheap price in the market, so the project becomes a dead project.  In this case, Hundet Persen is responsible for the bounty hunters destroying the project.

Especially when creating an account can add to the bounty without any activity.  In this case, if it is not possible to participate in the ranking system, especially the minimum junior member or the bounty without the member, then only the participation of multiple accounts will be reduced, and if the punitive measures can be taken immediately, then not only the tendency of cheating will be reduced but the forum will be improved.  .  Therefore, along with the ranking system, punitive measures should be taken.

yahoo62278, I support your idea. the use of this ranking restriction rule would be good enough to suppress novice account farms. but there will be resistance from some bounty managers. how to manage most bounty managers do the same in their campaigns? especially now, I can see more new accounts creating campaign threads on the bounty board.

it's pretty good to implement.
it reminded me of the thread @Pandu Geddon made. Ndasmu Njeblug, spam in the bounty thread.
it will not be a problem to increase the activity. even a newbie account can qualify with just one day of spam in the bounty thread.

if the Member+ rank is considered to be too difficult. why not start with Junior members?

My assumption is always that most of the bounty spam accounts belong to a small group of people.

I wrote Why not tag all bounty hunters? earlier this year. To summarize my clickbait:
Even if you don't allow them to join your bounty campaign, someone else will.

As long as they pay in made-up tokens, I'm sure they don't care who spams for them, as long as they get maximum exposure.

I expect the opposite: it's not worth it for normal people with friends and family on their social media, but it's still profitable for spammers with 50 accounts, each with thousands of followers who are all bounty spammers too.
The fact that the bounty spammers all have that much followers while all they do is spam should be a dead giveaway they're not normal social media users but dedicated spammers.

That's the thing: they don't waste money, they share some of the BS tokens they created out of thin air.

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If you require bounty spammers to have a higher rank, they'll spam other boards to fill up 30 posts and earn Merit. Please keep them isolated on the bounty boards!

Here I agree entirely with you. And precisely because many are poor, I would like everything to look at least not so bold. , they are just as disrespectful to other hunters who are just as poor. I can assume that others have alternate accounts as well, but this is done very carefully. No one will ever catch alts if they don't have matches.
But because the people from this farm are very greedy, they continuously create even more accounts, thereby getting confused in them.
But in addition, no one will forbid beginners to create and subsequently participate in subscription companies. This is much more profitable than wasting time on incomprehensible tokens. At the same time, seeing that the newcomer has the first post in the bounty section, it becomes clear that this is not a newbie but someone else's alt. And then the "catch me if you can" game begins.

Some bounty managers are also newbies so they won't even care, but I think if the reputable bounty managers set high standards for hunter's then am sure it will reduce the way newbies just create new accounts and join bounties again after their previous account have been tagged. Let's assume managers set standards that they only accept member rank upward in their campaign, then am sure any bounty hunters that can rank their account up to member rank then they won't want to go against the bounty rules so that they won't lose the account, and if they are caught cheating and their accounts are tagged, it won't be easy for them to create new accounts and rank all up. I notice @CryptopreneurBrainboss managed a bounty campaign recently, it was stated in the rules that account with less than 100 actives won't be accepted, and I noticed lot's of hunters were rejected, am sure most of those accounts that he rejected are people that their previous accounts was tagged and they created new accounts.
The way hunters are cheating in bounty, I don't think their task will have impact on the project because most of them are just spamming.
I think that will be better but some managers don't care, their are some managers that even encourage ban invation, I was going through some messages in a bounty Telegram group few months ago and a user complained that his account got ban, he then asked the manager if he can create another forum account and countinue with the task and the manager asked the user to send him private message, which I was suprised because I was expecting the manager to say No and not to request for the user to send him private message.

Not every newbies are alt of course. As you said, managers are intentionally/unintentionally being dishonest though I can guarantee not every manager is. Anyway, if someone participates from 30 account in a single bounty and there are 10 different such farm participating in a bounty, it will be almost half of the total participants.

Of course he is not an Englishman, nor someone who will honestly work for you. I can't trust anyone to work 100% when they charge this lower amount.

If there are seriously that few that join a bounty and 95% of the rest are multis, then what the hell are companies wasting money running a bounty on here then? Kind of proving my point as well, managers are being dishonest to companies by saying they will get you loads of participants if they know its all alts.

I know what you mean on pricing and companies hiring the cheapest guy out there. Heres a message I got on telegram this morning.

Hello Mate

Iam Jason and I'm from lithe beautifull country of the England

1 humbly offer my campaign management service to any project for company that is in need of someone who will handle their bounty campaign here on.

I am a very skilled and experienced spreadsheet manager. I provide two types of services at the same time. Spreadsheet Management and Telegram Admin Services Friendly community managers. I am active 24 hours a day and service 8 to 12 hours a day.

If you want to hire me. Then definitely contact me.

Requisites Fees
Fees are negotiable I charge $50 per month.

Please feel free to inquire about my services. I'll be glad to help with no obligations or pressure until you are comfortable. Thanks for looking. thanks again have a great day

Yours Sincerely,
M. Jason

Not sure why the person messaged me about it, but I def don't believe the name or where they're from. Well I guess it could be a 15 year old living at home wanting to work a month for $50, but I highly doubt $50 a month is anything for an Englishman.

If you exclude newbies, you will be ended up with less than 50 participants in your campaign. Wait, actually, I should lower the number. I can't remember if I have seen a few Jr Member or above in a social media bounty. Will this rule be applied for every bounty managers? Actually, will it be a forum rule? No. Then any bounty manager who will allow newbies participation will be picked by the project. You of course know how bounty management is working these days. Most of campaign managers are newbies or Jr member with no history of managing bounty but still getting campaign because of their charge.

Rule from the forum? I don't think it's going to happen. Also, management doesn't necessarily depend on rank though I agree that having a high rank CM is advantage for the project in numerous ways.

I thought newbies won't allow any bounty campaign, it must be a jr. member rank, AFAIK.

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I tend to agree with them.
The only way to eliminate those bounty hunters but I don't think if, all those bounty managers will follow this rule, especially newbies.

This isn't a new problem, it has been discussed here so many times about irresponsible bounty managers, and yet, even tagging them they can still run bounty campaigns by using newbie rank, as long they get paid they continue doing the same.  What do you think if there's a new rule that newbies won't allow to run bounty campaigns and also there are merit and rank requirements the same as the bounty participants?

I think this is a good suggestion as well. Bounty managers should give merit points more meaning in their campaign conditions. Merits should be used for other purposes than just requirement for ranking up.

Probably most of them already automated the procedure. They just checked their account get the link and post it. When you check those scammers accounts you'll noticed one common thing. More than 30 activity and there isn't any merit. Why? Isn't it obvious they don't care the forum. At least with their multi accounts Most of the project (those who want to get easy money or the project dev which absence of vision) probably wont care this situation because advertise is advertise. But if I were a project manager i would care it. And if there is a campaign manager who be careful about this situation I prefer him/her.

Ideally this would be a good requirement, but it will be a very controversial topic.


The forum has rules that are not official rules, for example selling accounts is allowed, but look how many get tagged for it. So I think if the forum decided we should not allow newbies and see a manager doing so, DT could tag said manager. Or they could say fuck off we aren't tagging anyone over bounty shit.



This is a rule that could be left up to each individual manager, but I would sway towards not allowing personally.

The admin isn't gonna step in and limit a manager and how many campaign he can do unless the manager is banned, but if DT was tagging managers for legit rule infractions( or unofficial infractions) then companies may look for a better reputed manager. Companies may also not care and go with the cheapest option available, trust be damned.

Agreed with newbies needing to participate in the community before coming here trying to earn a load.

Not a bad idea either, even if the users start trading merits between each other they would run out pretty quick.

I think meser# is right man. This would just make bounty hunters double the amount of cheating accounts they have in a campaign.



Let's be honest for a second. If you are a bounty hunter in 1 campaign and that campaign has Facebook, Twitter, Discord, Instagram, and telegram in it, you will spend a total of 5 minutes on that campaign in a week. It's not very time consuming to retweet or share a post on all these platforms, and if original content and hashtags needs to be added the users post some bullshit as their original comment and copy/paste the hashtags. This is why bounty hunters can join 1000 bounties a week per account. It's simple work.

One is always higher than zero mate. In my opinion it wont decrease the cheater number unlike it will be reason to increase. If amount of the reward is lower than their rivals qualificated members dont want to attend it. This forum is allowing to earn money by campaigns but this cheater is only using for it. They dont contribute to forum i think this is one of the major scale to reveal cheater. 

What about decreasing bounty reward allocation for social media campaigns? Will it decrease the amount of newbie cheaters, because it will be unprofitable to join even with multiple accounts? It is hard to tell which newbie account is used for cheating, and who is a real newbie that is trying to earn a bit. And for a project - is it huge difference if his project is promoted by one person with lots of accounts or by many people? Project is getting his promotion anyway (but the quality of it is low, I agree with that, but that is a different question).

But, I suggest to accept only accounts starting with Jr.Member rank. Those who are cheating, will get caught during merit distribution most likely. And with time it will be hard to get merit for new accounts to cheat. Or, maybe accepting accounts, that have registration date more than half of a year and some posts (not spam)(lets say 100 posts is enough) are the key to success? During this half year a person could rank up, or at least show that he is not here just to post bounty reposts. I think it will be hard for cheaters to generate some good posts, and one-liners/shit posters will be spotted quick.

I recently saw that a signature campaign has a merit requirement. If you want to be eligible for that round you must acquire at least 1 merit. Lets say its 6 week campaign and the bounty hunters must acquire 6 merit during the campaign if they want to be eligible. Probably you will say they will make circle on merits but those are only posting their report it will make easier to find them. My idea might be nonsense but there is many people trying to scam projects and managers. If no action is taken, they will continue in the same way.

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You have a good idea. I've considered this before while bursting alt and discovered that it's very easy to farm newbie accounts and nearly impossible to farm Members+ accounts because most bounty spammers are shitposters who can't rank up his farm accounts to a member rank, which would automatically reduce bounty cheating. Sometimes I wonder why a manager would accept a bunch of newbies accounts with less than 30 activity or less into their campaigns; if they truly cared about the company they are promoting, they would not accept a bunch of alts into their campaign, but since the majority of them don't give a fuck as long as they get paid, I don't mind..

If we're being honest, bounty hunters farm the most accounts because they want to take all of the tokens from the project they're managing. If I ever host a bounty campaign, my minimum acceptable rank would be Member +; it's the only way to eliminate a slew of newbie farms.


His suggestions is for bounty and potential bounty managers and not for the admin.