Topic: Bounty scammer get payed without troubles... warnings just ignored - page 2. (Read 680 times)

Totally agree with you, a serious team that's serious about building a business/a company that would stand the test of time and not just a project, would willingly put in the work required, and one of this is that every thing, from the website, to the whitepaper, to the social handles, and to the community management, everything should be up to standard, well prepaid and managed, they can't be serious with one part and neglect the other, thinking no one would take a look or care, one bad egg together with good eggs in one basket causes every egg in that basket to look bad and smell.

If there would have been a next-bitcoin or next-amazon, we would have heard of it
A project can be good even if it's not next-bitcoin. But you're right, there may be maybe 1% of all the projects that worth taking a first look into, and so many signs are there one doesn't even have to get to the whitepaper. And if the team couldn't double check at least the English white paper... yeah...
...But I did say that the logic in that post stands most of time

My heuristic approach to investment tends to avoid putting my hard-earned money into projects that cannot even assess the quality of their own whitepaper translation.
I don't know how many next-bitcoin or next- amazon I failed to invest in, probably zero.

Keep in mind that although this stands most of the time, there can also be cases when the original whitepaper was not English and was translated into English by another shitty translator.

Lol! This is literally from the original Whitepaper.
Do you know when not to invest in a shitcoin? Never invest in a shitcon, otherwise, they wouldn't be called shitcoins in the first place!When they cannot even write a proper sentence in playing English: let's figure out the quality of coding skills!

Since the D_DOT account is banned, I think his other account should be banned as well.
Please note that if D_DOT was the "translator" into Italian, the Adalgarp the account claims to be a Portuguese translator and also speaks German. Probably it is worth checking his work as well.

Awaklara has already raised topics about these accounts, and the transfer of tokens to one wallet.

Also, food for thought







https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Manish2809&from=Unbunplease
https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=D_DOT&from=Unbunplease
https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Raman123&from=Unbunplease

Did you pretend also that I will evidence any stupid things on that shit?! and It's more trusted for you a newbie with no trades than a DT2 Legendary User?
or maybe did you have some doubts that I am a real Italian or I am really able to speak in Italian?!? 

What is your job technically?!  I mean it's an entire FAKE TRANSLATION!  
Everything created on this "translation" was just a complete shit.

It was something so evident and clear that... I have sent private message and posted many times in topic (other users have also highlighted the issue, seriously you have seen the messages?).
 
You have just ignored, and not check anything....also you have payed him

Despite you think (really!?!?!?! = LOL )
"that an indian guy active in indian board and not speaking in italian section"
can be reliable ok.
Let's take this bullshit as a "valid apology" ok ....
Oh Yes "he work for a translation agency" in the same way I work for actually for NASA, FBI, and CIA....
but I am Italian speaking Italian living in ITALY!
Yes it is possible. It can be possible. Can you post please some evidences that I am not really work for NASA FBI and CIA?
meh.

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Have you read this topic? (This ONE !?)

I will do a selection for you.


Mine has been already pointed out.


It seems you are an expert on THAT ARGUMENT! How did you have so much proficiency in Italian Language and so many other languages?!?!?

I mean,  how many times has been already pointed out with your campaigns?
Other languages also?


Each time I have reported something to a bounty manager I received a reply without opening a couple of topic in REPUTATION.
Please, this time, don't let me wait again one month and half without reply ....

Thank you @bitbollo for this finding, I did check your findings in my thread and also read the comments of the guy who had done the translation job, As there were no proofs were mentioned simply saying that this guy is Indian and cant translate doesn't actually, in my opinion, justify to reject his entry. We actually usually hire backup translators too to review the translation job, Unfortunately, there was no other guy who can provide us proofs that the transaction was not done properly, or the guy used the GT.

In his comments, Where he mentioned, that if anyone can provide proofs that he used GT, I would have gladly rejected his entry if he was found guilty. But given the benefit of the doubt situation, we accepted his entry. 

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If still, someone can provide proofs that he got paid illegitimately, We will apologize and next time will be more careful about such situations. And I will pay some bonus to the guys who in the first place pointed it out.

I'm not surprised, @irfan_pak10 has always been cool with issues as serious as this. I've warned in the past about fake translators listed in his thread, and I got the same response (ignored, sadly).
As far as I know, irfan_pak10 is Pakistani. This has a little correlation with the translators being Indian (having several common native languages). Maybe they also know each other in real life.

Just my 2 sats

If you have enough evidence to prove he has a banned account then the appropriate thing to do is to report it to forum moderators for ban evasion before reporting it to the bounty manager. Mods will ban all his alts and this way you ensure he won't cheat on any other campaign (unless he creates new account).
The use of automated translation tools is also against forum rules. So, you can report all his translated threads to your local board mod.

Not sure why irfan_pak10 (reputable campaign manager, afaik) is ignoring your reports and didn't take any action against this user but you can report this directly to the project owner.

thank you @rhomelmabini. appreciated and yes generally speaking it is something acceptable/reliable as opinion.
but, I don't like that he/she come after a while and says "I was never informed about that issue"

I want be really sure that he has read my several messages, topic, etc etc....
(I know he has posted https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58218595 in the same page and payed the fake translation despite SEVERAL WARNINGS!)
Meanwhile I am collecting "alt accounts" linked to the same scammer here (59 already posted much much more will be posted soon )
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/at-least-103-accounts-linked-to-the-same-bounty-scammerbanned-account-5365814

LOL
If you check
1. D_DOT it's a kind of expert in Italian from the scratch....
LOL if this is the way they make this check it's something ... no I can't comment..... sorry.
 
Here in this topic the issue it is also another one.
Because, despite it has been clearly pointed out to bounty manager.... warning has been ignored. and scammer has been payed.


LOL ! Complaints form was also closed!

What he/she is doing if he/she don't check the job done and ignore warnings ?!?
What he/she is doing if he/she is not able to speak that language but able to "recognize" previous work as "reputable"?!?!

Back when I did the reporting wave on one single translator, I did get in touch with the managers. I'll quote the replies, to see what kind of reply you can expect (if any).



Investigation that will never happen, or a simple "we can't check everything" will suffice...
I know I've made some noise in the past and present about this issue, but it's good to see that more members are getting involved in this from different countries

If you already DM him, posted on that bounty topic and as I see that it was really for over a month that post has been there and yet @irfan_pak10 doesn't respond, I wonder if this topic would even caught his/her attention. Likely just a milking cow bounty, either with the bounty hunters and the manager itself or both, just my two cents but I think I am making some sense in this opinion of mine.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/at-least-103-accounts-linked-to-the-same-bounty-scammerbanned-account-5365814
Meanwhile I continue to discover other alt-accounts connected to the same banned accounts / frauder:
I am stille waiting a reply by bounty manager @irfan_pak10 .

Has an interesting trust left on 2021-08-13 by YOSHIE = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2860264

I mean, it has been already pointed out as issue?
Or it has been in some way addressed?

As my personal curiosity to @irfan_pak10 ....
did you think it can be sound strange that some random people from INDIA is speaking "perfectly italian like a translator" meanwhile they are completely inactive in ITALIAN SECTION but still active in foreigners local section?

Never get curiosity about that?

Ok , well, much probably we are talking about just shitcoin/shit-bounties (I am probably the first Italian that has opened one these WP ! )  
this can explain this missing interest, but I am not able to find one user from italian board that has made one translation in these "bounties".
There are "real italians" that works in these bounties? I don't want asks for other countries but if some one from Germany or Spain or France would check I think this is a "global issues" not only for ITALIANS

Thanks in advance for you reply @irfan_pak10 .
I am still waiting since a month (maybe more...) but no worries, Italians love to wait, no hurry at all.

EDIT
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58234205
Topic in ITALIAN LANGUAGE (the real one) in our local board!

Man, that sentence in English doesn't even make much sense, never mind the Italian translation! 

And yeah, I'd say there's way more than enough evidence that points to this stronzo either using a translation service or simply doing a shitty job manually translating something into a language which he's obviously not proficient in.  I don't usually tag translation scammers, but I'll make an exception in this case.

I opened the FOOBEE white paper on a random page.

I landed on page 14, I choose a random sentence:


I don't know what does this sentence means in Italian.

This is the original text from the Whitepaper:


Translating back to the Italian Language:


Definitely similar. Possibly, the translator version is even worse than GT version.
My version would be better than that,

I confirm that this translation was not done by an Italian-speaking person.
In addition to the examples given by @bitbollo, it is sufficient to look at a random page of the WPP to find conceptual errors. On p. 3 for example it says:


I suppose that "scorrendo " is the translation of "swipe" but in Italian nobody would translate swipe that way: it would mean "to pass over" people.
It's just one example, there are many similar ones.

Thank you @Csmiami I am asking to mod and other reputable guys from Italy board:
@HostFat
@coinlocket$
@fillippone
@babo
@duesoldi

Ragazzi (Guys),
could you please confirm if this "italian" can be used by Italians or this translation can be made by Italians?

(I am just taking 1 translations ... few examples...)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d5_D8igRvbS4sDpddJNak7fl6z_Tv6cz/view
https://web.archive.org/save/https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d5_D8igRvbS4sDpddJNak7fl6z_Tv6cz/view

"Rigido" means "hard/strong" and normally it's a term used ..... yes you know what

Completely non-sense no meaning first part and I am not sure even if he is using Italian since this is an unknown word at least in TRECCANI Dictionary ... even this is not "common" language...

I mean this is a non sense. "Attraversa" is used for "crossing the street (attraversa la strada) not used in this sense .....

He miss properly BASIC grammar... (del - article ) no one italian can talk/write in that way.... completely non sense....

this is just in a couple of pages/few examples but it is full of grammar mistakes, missing pieces, words just created .
anyone Italian mother-tongue can confirm this is definitely not a real translation.


PS
I Haven't received any reply by bounty manager despite several warnings still now I have not answers.
However I am continuing to update the long list of accounts connected
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/at-least-103-accounts-linked-to-the-same-bounty-scammerbanned-account-5365814

I've created a few threads about similar situations[1]; so there's really not many answers.

If you do have a local mod that speaks italian, you could simply report every post you see that has been translated this way saying that it was in fact translated by a machine.
You could also contact the manager and tell him what happen, although he'll most likely just put up an excuse. You could red-tag him in this case, it will for sure catch his attention and at least for me, it'd be a justified one.

You could also red-tag the translator, but he won't care much about it.

TLDR, reporting is your best option here

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[1]
Cheating translator and incompetent manager 
Actions against spam translators 

There is a guy from INDIA a guy from Vietnam that translate in ITALIAN language but he use some "unknown" words meaning everything.
Clearly ( ) he is not Italian nor he can just say or write correctly "CIAO".
Despite several warnings (see below the full list), he get payed from bounty manager.  

Well I don't know why use negative trust, or spot scammers/fraudsters etc etc etc if at the end this is the gift for a bounty scammer.
Plus I don't know what is the real task, if even some shitty translation get payed
Even more, there are seriously project out of here ready to pay these shitty translation?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ObeZgIaX66LtIOYoGD4VSw6gfjJ88kcd3AbFWjcpMbo/edit#gid=1266893130

This is a fraud, plus this account has been connected to other accounts banned/fraudsters and so on...
What did you think?

Thanks in advance for any reply!



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