Topic: Cheating translator and incompetent manager (Read 612 times)

Yes, google translator is almost accurate, that's why many rely on these tools.

There are only small details to fix in texts.

This man only demonstrates his mental problems. And his bad spelling is in evidence...

I’m porting here (no Google translated implied though) something I wrote on my local board, regarding the issue of automated translations. To this regard, it’s a fact that there is an existing (non-official) rules that states that automated translations are not allowed on local boards. I do not know the full implications of breaking the rule are for the rule breaker, besides moderators possibly moving to delete posts of the kind.

This case has led me to question (as in a healthy mental debate, not a disregard for the rule) the spirit of the rule itself. Now the rule seems to have been originated in relation to this post:

Back in 2015, automated translations were nothing like they are now, and text translated by these tools alone, with no human intervention, often rendered a poor result, which may have been both unintelligible, and misleading with regards to the original content intent.
Fast forwarding to end of 2020, I personally find Google Translate to be pretty accurate (with obvious counter-examples we can all easily draw up), to the point that it is likely better than an average person who wants to translate a text, and possibly not up to the standards of a professional translator (although they may find aid in such tools as an initial baseline).

I’ve read a couple of @pedrillo0’s translations, and whilst being seemingly a result of an automated translation as per the examples in the OP (with an odd word here and there changed), they are readable and comprehensible from a reader’s point of view. I don’t really want to personalize on this specific case, but rather I was wondering, in general terms, if the rule was meant to be strict (i.e. no use of automated translation - period), or result context-based (i.e. if the result is comprehensible, then it may be debatable).

This is when moderator’s input will be interesting to read. I’m trying to imagine having to deal with this case, and it’s not that dead simple. The moderator will need to first interpret the rule (Boolean vs grey area), then assess whether the posts are indeed Google translated, then (possibly) determine if they are readable, and then decide what to do with the posts and the poster. Now if the result of the translation were to be pure "caca", it would be an easy task, but being the translations pretty good, this is where I fall back on trying to understand the spirit of the rule.

The debate on whether the translator cheapened the effort for the remunerated penny or not is lateral in the big picture (not from a reputation's standpoint though), since we are talking about the rule’s interpretation and appliance, which was not created to protect campaign managers in charge of delegating/hiring translations, but rather, I figure, creating comprehensible content.

What a sacrifice you've done copy-pasting

I can tell that @Csmiami's orthography, grammar and style in Spanish are in general flawless.

We are not judging your Spanish orthography here, nor your grammar (both are terrible), we are pointing out that you have been breaking forum's rules for years and you keep doing so.

Many of the most renowned members in the Spanish section don't even dare to read the Altcoins section in part because of people like you lowering the quality so incredibly. Not to mention that it seems that you have been doing the same thing in other locals (¿Russian?, ¿Italian? ¡you don't even speak Spanish well!).

At least have a little decency. What next? criticize my native writing too?

Since I woke up in a good mood, I'll make this post understandable to the rest of the participants here.... (teletyped words are the translation, just in case no one notices)


Now that we are all in the same page; let's anwer and remark some things.

This thread is not about me, but about you using translation tools and calling that a translation job. You are also not denying that this is indeed the case.

You have disclosed PMs (I don't really care, but it's an attitude that's usually frowned upon).

You've tried to deflect your responsibility in the matter in hand trying to attack me personally with my spelling, which I've already explained, couldn't care less about it while not getting paid for it.

I care not about the years you've been around in the forum, but I do care about what you do in the forum. If your sole contribution is to get paid for flooding the altcoin board with posts that are a copy paste from a translation tool, then I'm sure as hell going to report each and every post that falls into the cattegory (for the matter, not all the posts in the post history so far).

I may have been mean, but I had my reasons to. There was always off with your translated posts that I couldn't figure out, and the moment I translated the overview of signature ad campaigns you popped up in my PMs asking information about those; which leads me to believe that you only care about a paychechk and nothing more.

And I think I rest my case with that, for now that is.

Not for that; but for doing absolutely no check.

Yes he did, that's why I reported over 200 of his posts yesterday before falling asleep, and will continue to do so today; 91 post pages are no joke to check manually. I did see that he has some local posts in other languages, but I can't judge whether they are real or another google trasnlate job; I'd love if the people speaking those languages would hop in and start reporting them aswell.

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I made some random checks on his first "jobs" too, dating 2016, and not very surprisingly, they were the same machine translation material; together with some shitposts. I would appreciate if someone could make a list of all the managers he has worked under, and PM them to come here to give some explanation. By allowing this kind of unprofessional job, they let him create a huge portfolio that helped him get onboard more projects. I already PM'd the 2 managers mentioned in OP, BountyDetective replied back saying they were going to investigate the case before responding here and the other guy has yet to reply

I also looked at this user's posts. Didn't he break the rule?


He has many posts on various local forums while promoting projects.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pedrillo0-715872

This is just an example of all his great activity.

If indeed the material submitted is copy paste then it should not been considered as work. Payment in translation is big compared to social and other types of campaign. So if the guy is paid, then it's unfair to those who are really doing hardwork to translate a source material.

I couldnt get it but their telegram group(BountyDetective) so many admins, maybe they can execute a quality check for all rather than accepting clients if this will affect the moderation and control of the campaigns they handled.

From altcoins section he has the most campaigns and doing it is probably needed more personnel to handle efficiently. Thanks OP for pointing this one out.

LOL this asshole again. Slimy campaign manager, likely Vispilio's alt, uses a bunch of sockpuppets or paid shitposters to shill for himself, including plagiarists... makes send that he would funnel his client's money to some other incompetent asshole.

Negative tag for not a valid explanation of why a poor translator was picked? Recently I had managed translators for some languages for translating a website (some part actually). The website was translated long ago.
Gazetabitcoin was hired for Romanian part. When he translated the texts, he read the other part also and said me previous translation was so poor quality.
Now, what's the wrong with who have handled the previous translator? None actually. You can never know what they are doing as yoh can't read every language. You want to proof read the translation? If you are managing the translation from the forum, you still can't be sure that the proof reading part was done accurately. Well, I believe Gazetabitcoin and I'm sure he is the best romanian translator. But how many managers hire translator who are reputed in the forum. And reputed people also don't work with bounty rewards.
It’s not easy to pick and ensure a quality translator from this forum because there are cheaters who want to translate all the languages and get all the rewards.

Bounty manager nowadays doesn't do proof reading anymore on the work of translators unlike before. They just hire random guy from nowhere and accept the translation work. Bounty Detective really don't check at all what shit written on the translation work that the company is paying for. This just show how low quality the current campaign management business and its very unfair to other translator that do fair job because they split stake for it.