Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot? - page 6.

LoyceV

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Quote from: DaveF on January 13, 2023, 12:37:26 PM

Or do you go the other way but no more temp bans for things like that. Using a word spinner you get the boot and that's it. Too harsh? Not sure.

Temp bans are great for normal people. Actually, I'd hate it if that happened, and I'd learn my lesson. Just like I learned my lesson back in 2015 when I posted 3 referral links, and all 3 of them got deleted. I too was once a clueless Newbie Tongue

Temp bans are useless for spammers who just open more accounts. They don't need a warning, they know they're not contributing anyway. They're just trying to get away with it.

DaveF

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So...
NotATether, ETFbitcoin, o_e_l_e_o, LoyceV are all against my concept of a captcha.

Let's compromise and do it my way :-)

Seriously, it would be a patch at best to slow it down but other then reporting we have no other option.

IMO it's just a really difficult balance, you want a free and open forum. But you want to control the spammers as much as possible.

Or do you go the other way but no more temp bans for things like that. Using a word spinner you get the boot and that's it. Too harsh? Not sure.

-Dave

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 13, 2023, 03:41:48 AM

Quote from: DaveF on January 12, 2023, 10:07:59 PM

I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post.

Hard NACK. Sometimes I have a hard enough time just loading in the forum to read it via Tor, captchas, cloudflare, etc., let alone make any posts.

Rather than making things more difficult for real users, we should just try actually enforcing the rules for a change and ban the spammers. It's not a difficult thing to do.

Agree. My lynx terminal is still broken for Bitcointalk as well, and it's not like I can slap a JavaScript engine inside the browser to solve captchas, especially when they will keep changing over time and use ever newer JS constructs.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 12, 2023, 01:15:15 PM

The first 4 posts were deleted quickly after I reported them, but I feel like it's not enough. Considering the recent hype on text-spinning AIs, and considering how easy it is for shitposters to produce massive numbers of posts that take some time to read through to realize it's bogus, I'd like to see them banned quicker. Maybe we can still stop this before it reaches massive volumes.

I agree with @suchmoon, so it's more realistic to either
1. Keep reporting those posts. At bare minimum, they'll focus spamming on different board.
2. Quote their reply with detailed explanation why their post either doesn't make sense or could be dangerous towards other user.
3. Ignore them.

Quote from: DaveF on January 12, 2023, 10:07:59 PM

I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post.

It'll be nightmare towards VPN and Tor user who already face occasional CloudFlare "security check". And it's publicly known popular CAPTCHA service (such as hCaptcha and reCATCHA) is hostile towards VPN and Tor.

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Quote from: DaveF on January 12, 2023, 10:07:59 PM

I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post.

Hard NACK. Sometimes I have a hard enough time just loading in the forum to read it via Tor, captchas, cloudflare, etc., let alone make any posts.

Rather than making things more difficult for real users, we should just try actually enforcing the rules for a change and ban the spammers. It's not a difficult thing to do.

LoyceV

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Quote from: DaveF on January 12, 2023, 10:07:59 PM

I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post. I know some boards have them, sometimes even multiple ones. I don't know if it hurts legitimate posting

I'll leave Bitcointalk if that happens.

Bounty spammers don't mind jumping through hoops, normal people do:

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When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc.

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I think user who post using AI Chat generator is similar with ordinary spammer where the punishment is the post get deleted by moderators. But if the user is keep spamming with AI Chat generator and didn't learn his mistake, the moderators can give him temporary ban for 7 days, the second 14 days, the third 30 days and the fourth get permanent banned.

AI Chat generator is still in grey area where it doesn't really took every words from someone articles, but claiming if you're the one who wrote every words created by AI Chat generator is wrong too.

It would be different if someone can spot there's a plagiarism or paraphrase, he deserve to get permanent banned.

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1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

2. No off-topic posts.

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If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc), I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords. Otherwise, content that violates the rules, AI or human produced, can already be dealt with with our current rules and policies in mind.

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I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post. I know some boards have them, sometimes even multiple ones. I don't know if it hurts legitimate posting or not, but I don't see as much spam on them vs those that do not. One car board I am on has a quick and simple one like what is 2 + 7 and that is followed by the 'pick the image' one. And there is very little spam. The other is more like here where you can just post and does get a lot more junk posts.

Don't know how much work it would take to put one in.

But, the AI / chat spammers should just get a permanent vacation.

-Dave

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Well, I in other posts defended that this IA could be positive and provide leverage but to quality and responsible posters of the forum. To shitposters it gives them a tool to spam much more and faster, multiplying the number of alts, so in principle I would like to see a measure like the one proposed by LoyceV, but as suchmoon I am skeptical.

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Those post are bad enough to be funny, if you ask me. A couple of them made me chuckle because of how strange they are. Cheesy

However, I agree we should not underestimate this kind of abuse and need to stop all this non-sense before more people join into the party of AI shitposting.

If any of you care about my opinion, people using any kind of automation tools to spam the forum should be given a temporary ban as warning and then a permaban if they are caught doing exactly the same. If we do not take care of this soon enough this could become a new standard.

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I didn't know AI turns emojis to words, lol .

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reach 150 legitimacy in the next two months, at which point my actions will raise my status. Tongue

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gain 150 merit in the next two months when activity would rank me up Tongue

There is also this post , claiming to live in a warzone country with a big family and no food to eat. If this is true maybe we should at least consider his desperation? Unless that's not original like other posts?

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Quote from: PowerGlove on January 12, 2023, 02:14:04 PM

I'd appreciate it if someone could make a plagiarism report (I would do it myself, here, but I'm late for something, and have to run).

Nice find, PowerGlove and LoyceV! I found another example and made a plagiarism report: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895.msg61585468#msg61585468
I hope the spammer gets the permaban he deserves.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 12, 2023, 01:15:15 PM

Just after I reported 4 incoherent offtopic shitposts [...]

I reported one of hasan21's posts, too. It struck me as very oddly constructed, like it was translated from another language by someone tripping their balls off or something (archived):

Quote from: Ginzink on January 25, 2018, 03:28:19 AM

It may be abused by the account farmers as said by others, but it will make it harder at least for them and that is a good thing!
Now i just need to come up with some high quality posts to gain 150 merit in the next two months when activity would rank me up Tongue

Happy for the change, maybe there will be less posts of the type newbie asking about ICO in a thread for a minable coin without any ICO

I'd appreciate it if someone could make a plagiarism report (I would do it myself, here, but I'm late for something, and have to run).

Edit: Thanks @Stalker22, your report seems to have done the business; hasan21 is no more (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hasan21).

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If it's spam then yes, ban them on the spot. How long the ban should be, should be left to the discretion of moderators. Otherwise, the process is largely identical to the one for human-generated spam.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 12, 2023, 01:15:15 PM

The first 4 posts were deleted quickly after I reported them, but I feel like it's not enough. Considering the recent hype on text-spinning AIs, and considering how easy it is for shitposters to produce massive numbers of posts that take some time to read through to realize it's bogus, I'd like to see them banned quicker. Maybe we can still stop this before it reaches massive volumes.

Love your optimism, not going to happen. Even blatant plagiarists aren't getting banned, let alone word salad shitposters. This would require actual engagement from moderators - like reading the board they're responsible for and deleting/banning without waiting for reports. I haven't seen that happening since frodo was cleaning tech boards and FH in P&S.

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Just after I reported 4 incoherent offtopic shitposts (1, 2, 3, 4, although now it lacks context without the topics) from hasan21, I found Umaiya:
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They're both bounty spammers, and now found the serious boards. The posts look almost random.

The first 4 posts were deleted quickly after I reported them, but I feel like it's not enough. Considering the recent hype on text-spinning AIs, and considering how easy it is for shitposters to produce massive numbers of posts that take some time to read through to realize it's bogus, I'd like to see them banned quicker. Maybe we can still stop this before it reaches massive volumes.

If you find more of this, please post them here as examples.

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