Topic: [Boxing] David Benavidez vs. Olexandr Gvozdyk interim WBC Championship (Read 563 times)

Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 24, 2024, 08:50:19 PM

Benavidez was declared the WBC interim LHW champion and i've read some article that he is now waiting to fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev fight which for me the hardest fight of his life if as both have the power and both a natural LHW fighter.

As boxing fans, we love to see him fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev. And I think that was his back up plan if Canelo will not fight him. And so if that happens, not sure if David can conquer any of those two natural LHW. Bivol has the volume punching and ring IQ and good at setting traps. While Beterbiev is a monster and his power is very scary and it might be the first time that we might see Benavidez in trouble.

I thought Benavidez would easily dispatch the much older Gvozdyk. But it showed the limits of Benavidez. He is heavy handed, can throw combinations and has a tough chin but I guess it might not be enough for the remaining two champions of this division. Prime Gvozdyk would've easily schooled or even stop that version of Benavidez. Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

Benavidez gets lucky against Beterbiev when both of them fight? I don't want to emphasize the 100% knock out ratio of Beterbiev, but it's just amazing to see a boxer having that kind of record, and I don't think Benavidez will even have a chance against both him, and Bivol.

As for Bivol, he's good at outboxing his opponent like you said, and he will do it against him as well. We might see him doing that against Beterbiev as well a few months from now. Gvozdyk is too old for him and although Beterbiev is near at his post-prime age anymore, I think that he can still knock Benavidez out if they fight each other. I guess let's see how Benavidez will perform now that he's in the LHW division already, and from there, he will decide whether he will stay, or will return at Super Middleweight and will try his chance again against Canelo. Cheesy

Beterbiev could still have that one good fight in him before we can say that he is no longer in his prime. And I think this fight is going to define how great Beterbiev is, I mean 100% knockout ratio that record is really scary.

For the Benavidez, there's still a lot of him to proved at 168 lbs, before really jumping on either Bivol or Beterbiev. He said that no one wanted to fight him, but from what they see against Gvozdyk, his opponents might think that he is over-hype because everyone talks that Canelo is afraid of him including myself. But I guess Canelo is just waiting for the perfect time to give Benavidez a crack against him and it could be sooner than we expected.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

Benavidez was declared the WBC interim LHW champion and i've read some article that he is now waiting to fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev fight which for me the hardest fight of his life if as both have the power and both a natural LHW fighter.

As boxing fans, we love to see him fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev. And I think that was his back up plan if Canelo will not fight him. And so if that happens, not sure if David can conquer any of those two natural LHW. Bivol has the volume punching and ring IQ and good at setting traps. While Beterbiev is a monster and his power is very scary and it might be the first time that we might see Benavidez in trouble.

I thought Benavidez would easily dispatch the much older Gvozdyk. But it showed the limits of Benavidez. He is heavy handed, can throw combinations and has a tough chin but I guess it might not be enough for the remaining two champions of this division. Prime Gvozdyk would've easily schooled or even stop that version of Benavidez. Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

Benavidez gets lucky against Beterbiev when both of them fight? I don't want to emphasize the 100% knock out ratio of Beterbiev, but it's just amazing to see a boxer having that kind of record, and I don't think Benavidez will even have a chance against both him, and Bivol.

As for Bivol, he's good at outboxing his opponent like you said, and he will do it against him as well. We might see him doing that against Beterbiev as well a few months from now. Gvozdyk is too old for him and although Beterbiev is near at his post-prime age anymore, I think that he can still knock Benavidez out if they fight each other. I guess let's see how Benavidez will perform now that he's in the LHW division already, and from there, he will decide whether he will stay, or will return at Super Middleweight and will try his chance again against Canelo. Cheesy

We've seen him though at 175 lbs and most of us here agree that he don't impressed as much as he is at super middleweight. And for me that his is best weight class and not 175 lbs specially that we still have the two headed Russian monster in Bivol and Beterbiev.

He should return to super middleweight, that is again his comfort zone. And he should be chasing Canelo because that's what fans wanted to see. It's more on Canelo testing his mettle against the Mexican Monster.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 24, 2024, 06:00:56 AM

Benavidez was declared the WBC interim LHW champion and i've read some article that he is now waiting to fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev fight which for me the hardest fight of his life if as both have the power and both a natural LHW fighter.

As boxing fans, we love to see him fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev. And I think that was his back up plan if Canelo will not fight him. And so if that happens, not sure if David can conquer any of those two natural LHW. Bivol has the volume punching and ring IQ and good at setting traps. While Beterbiev is a monster and his power is very scary and it might be the first time that we might see Benavidez in trouble.

I thought Benavidez would easily dispatch the much older Gvozdyk. But it showed the limits of Benavidez. He is heavy handed, can throw combinations and has a tough chin but I guess it might not be enough for the remaining two champions of this division. Prime Gvozdyk would've easily schooled or even stop that version of Benavidez. Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

Benavidez gets lucky against Beterbiev when both of them fight? I don't want to emphasize the 100% knock out ratio of Beterbiev, but it's just amazing to see a boxer having that kind of record, and I don't think Benavidez will even have a chance against both him, and Bivol.

As for Bivol, he's good at outboxing his opponent like you said, and he will do it against him as well. We might see him doing that against Beterbiev as well a few months from now. Gvozdyk is too old for him and although Beterbiev is near at his post-prime age anymore, I think that he can still knock Benavidez out if they fight each other. I guess let's see how Benavidez will perform now that he's in the LHW division already, and from there, he will decide whether he will stay, or will return at Super Middleweight and will try his chance again against Canelo. Cheesy

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

That's how I also see if they are gonna fight. Benavidez the younger boxer could not dominate his opponent despite winning this via unanimous decision. Not a big win for him as fans are not entertain, I mean we were expecting a KO to hype his name in this division but it looks like he wasn't able to bring his power.

Some people say Benavidez only looked good at 168 because he was a huge guy and a weight bully in that division. It could be true. He was struggling against an old but bigger opponent that he was supposed to stop. We'll see what's next for Benavidez. Maybe he will be offered the winner of Beterbiev and Bivol or maybe Canelo has the guts to fight him now.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

I agree with this. it would still be an anticipated fight as these possible fight have been talked before, maybe if it will happen and Canelo wins, he can then challenge Bivol for a rematch, that will still be a 50/50 fights despite Canelo losing on their first meeting.

Canelo defending the undisputed championship at 168 against Benavidez would be great. It's also the perfect time because Bivol and Beterbiev are also set to collide to decide the undisputed champion at 175 and Canelo can fight the winner for all the belts at 175.

I do agree, being a bully at super middleweight because you are too big for that weight class, but then you go up just 7 lbs and you don't have your power anymore and can't knock down or knockout a old opponent.

So we might say that he is exposed by Gvozdyk, and fighting true LHW will be a recipe for disaster for him. Bivol has the chin and hand speed and a decent power, but the scary Beterbiev, boxing's fighter that has knockout all his opponent. So just imagine what this two will do to him. He should really stay in his comfort zone of 168 lbs and continue to bait Canelo to fight him.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 24, 2024, 06:00:56 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

That's how I also see if they are gonna fight. Benavidez the younger boxer could not dominate his opponent despite winning this via unanimous decision. Not a big win for him as fans are not entertain, I mean we were expecting a KO to hype his name in this division but it looks like he wasn't able to bring his power.

Some people say Benavidez only looked good at 168 because he was a huge guy and a weight bully in that division. It could be true. He was struggling against an old but bigger opponent that he was supposed to stop. We'll see what's next for Benavidez. Maybe he will be offered the winner of Beterbiev and Bivol or maybe Canelo has the guts to fight him now.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

I agree with this. it would still be an anticipated fight as these possible fight have been talked before, maybe if it will happen and Canelo wins, he can then challenge Bivol for a rematch, that will still be a 50/50 fights despite Canelo losing on their first meeting.

Canelo defending the undisputed championship at 168 against Benavidez would be great. It's also the perfect time because Bivol and Beterbiev are also set to collide to decide the undisputed champion at 175 and Canelo can fight the winner for all the belts at 175.

Based on this fight, yes, it looks like Benavidez is too big for 168 lbs, but just regular at 175 lbs. And probably that's why he really looks monster at 168 lbs and why boxing fans think Canelo is avoiding him because he is so called Monster. But against a old Gvozdyk, he really looks just a regular fighter.

But he now holds the interim belt (but we all know that this doesn't mean a thing), so he is waiting for the winner of Beterbiev against Bivol.

Might be better to for him to be at 168 lbs and go with the sweepstakes and fight Canelo.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

That's how I also see if they are gonna fight. Benavidez the younger boxer could not dominate his opponent despite winning this via unanimous decision. Not a big win for him as fans are not entertain, I mean we were expecting a KO to hype his name in this division but it looks like he wasn't able to bring his power.

Some people say Benavidez only looked good at 168 because he was a huge guy and a weight bully in that division. It could be true. He was struggling against an old but bigger opponent that he was supposed to stop. We'll see what's next for Benavidez. Maybe he will be offered the winner of Beterbiev and Bivol or maybe Canelo has the guts to fight him now.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

I agree with this. it would still be an anticipated fight as these possible fight have been talked before, maybe if it will happen and Canelo wins, he can then challenge Bivol for a rematch, that will still be a 50/50 fights despite Canelo losing on their first meeting.

Canelo defending the undisputed championship at 168 against Benavidez would be great. It's also the perfect time because Bivol and Beterbiev are also set to collide to decide the undisputed champion at 175 and Canelo can fight the winner for all the belts at 175.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

That's how I also see if they are gonna fight. Benavidez the younger boxer could not dominate his opponent despite winning this via unanimous decision. Not a big win for him as fans are not entertain, I mean we were expecting a KO to hype his name in this division but it looks like he wasn't able to bring his power.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

I agree with this. it would still be an anticipated fight as these possible fight have been talked before, maybe if it will happen and Canelo wins, he can then challenge Bivol for a rematch, that will still be a 50/50 fights despite Canelo losing on their first meeting.

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I try to look at the compubox (although this is not a accurate gauge, but still good stats to look at during the fight), and it says,

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Benavidez, in light heavy. debut, landed 19 of 43 punches per rnd to 14 of 58 for Gvozdyk. Benavidez landed 24 of 63 per rnd in his previous 10 fights. Benavidez had a 107-57 edge in landed punches in rnds 1-5, then just 116-106 over last 7.

https://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-punch-stats-david-benavidez-oleksandr-gvozdyk--184287

So it means that Benavidez throws less punch in his defeat against Gvozdyk. Maybe the added weight could be a big factors and then he slowed down on the last half of the fight. Meaning it could be that he gets tired and Gvozdyk almost throw the same number of punches. I do agree that his debut is not that impressive and if only Gvozdyk is very much active in the first 6 rounds, maybe he could have won in the judges hands.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 21, 2024, 04:42:49 AM

Benavidez was declared the WBC interim LHW champion and i've read some article that he is now waiting to fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev fight which for me the hardest fight of his life if as both have the power and both a natural LHW fighter.

As boxing fans, we love to see him fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev. And I think that was his back up plan if Canelo will not fight him. And so if that happens, not sure if David can conquer any of those two natural LHW. Bivol has the volume punching and ring IQ and good at setting traps. While Beterbiev is a monster and his power is very scary and it might be the first time that we might see Benavidez in trouble.

I thought Benavidez would easily dispatch the much older Gvozdyk. But it showed the limits of Benavidez. He is heavy handed, can throw combinations and has a tough chin but I guess it might not be enough for the remaining two champions of this division. Prime Gvozdyk would've easily schooled or even stop that version of Benavidez. Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

Yes, that's what we see in this fight at 175 lbs, it looks like David Benavidez for now could have "eaten more than you can chew". I do agree that he still have the power and the moved, but it's obvious that this division is too big for him at this point. He was in the Canelo fight and there are videos that Canelo is taunting Benavidez and he said that he will have his time, so I interpret that Canelo is going to fight Benavidez sooner or later.

As for challenging either Bivol or Beterbiev, it might be better for Benavidez to at least go down to super middleweight and clean that division up before moving again. At least if he lost at 175 lbs, he had accomplished a lot already at 168 lbs.

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Benavidez was declared the WBC interim LHW champion and i've read some article that he is now waiting to fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev fight which for me the hardest fight of his life if as both have the power and both a natural LHW fighter.

As boxing fans, we love to see him fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev. And I think that was his back up plan if Canelo will not fight him. And so if that happens, not sure if David can conquer any of those two natural LHW. Bivol has the volume punching and ring IQ and good at setting traps. While Beterbiev is a monster and his power is very scary and it might be the first time that we might see Benavidez in trouble.

I thought Benavidez would easily dispatch the much older Gvozdyk. But it showed the limits of Benavidez. He is heavy handed, can throw combinations and has a tough chin but I guess it might not be enough for the remaining two champions of this division. Prime Gvozdyk would've easily schooled or even stop that version of Benavidez. Given Beterbiev's age, maybe Benavidez gets lucky. But against Bivol, he will be badly outboxed and if he remains having that kind of soft body he might not be able to survive for 12 rounds.

If I'm Canelo, I will call out Benavidez at 168 for the undisputed belts. Canelo is not also in his prime but based on his fight against Mungia he will beat Benavidez.

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Quote from: Dave1 on June 18, 2024, 08:55:48 PM

And we have seen Canelo coming up in weight and fighting at 175 lbs and losing to Bivol. And this could be another reason for Benavidez not to chase this fight anymore as based on his performance here, he might not be big as he was in 168 lbs. His power doesn't affect Olexandr Gvozdyk, a natural LHW.

And so with this performance, we heard that he wanted to go back to 168 lbs and still wanting to fight Canelo. I think this fight is going to happen in the future. Specially with this kind of performance from Benavidez as we can see that he is beatable.

David Benavidez was exposed in that fight in the sense that his power was not there in the LHW but we got to also credit Olexandr Gvozdyk for standing his ground and finished the fight until the 12th round.

Benavidez was declared the WBC interim LHW champion and i've read some article that he is now waiting to fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev fight which for me the hardest fight of his life if as both have the power and both a natural LHW fighter.

I wouldn't say that he is exposed, but it looks like he doesn't have that usual winning form that he had, and I do agree that we should give credit to Olexandr Gvozdyk because he really go toe to toe and stood his ground against the Mexican Monster. But it's not enough though, he could at least bring the fight to Benavidez specially in the middle round to somewhat make Benavidez cover up or think that he made the wrong decision to go up at LHW.

And if he decided to wait for the winner of the Beterbiev vs Bivol fight, then he could have sign his death wish. Although if I'm not mistaken, the powerful boxing broker will sponsor this fight in Saudi, Benavidez will be the underdog against this LHW champion as this guy as you have said have power and speed and they are natural in their weight class.

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Quote from: Dave1 on June 18, 2024, 08:55:48 PM

And we have seen Canelo coming up in weight and fighting at 175 lbs and losing to Bivol. And this could be another reason for Benavidez not to chase this fight anymore as based on his performance here, he might not be big as he was in 168 lbs. His power doesn't affect Olexandr Gvozdyk, a natural LHW.

And so with this performance, we heard that he wanted to go back to 168 lbs and still wanting to fight Canelo. I think this fight is going to happen in the future. Specially with this kind of performance from Benavidez as we can see that he is beatable.

David Benavidez was exposed in that fight in the sense that his power was not there in the LHW but we got to also credit Olexandr Gvozdyk for standing his ground and finished the fight until the 12th round.

I do agree, Gvozdyk is a very tough cookie to crack for David Benavidez, and it's good that he is still very young and has the stamina to last the full 12 rounds. But if there is a slight mistakes on him, Gvozdyk could have taken advantage and maybe scored a upset.