Topic: [Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 35. (Read 4351 times)

Quote from: goinmerry on March 06, 2023, 06:20:29 PM

I guess their camp already know Donaire's current situation and probably already acknowledge that if Donaire will not be successful versus Santiago, then a retirement will be his only option. You know, that is just sad because it's not a good exit for him but it is what it is. Well, in the positive side, Donaire's chances are greater than decent because this Santiago is not really a threat.

If only Jason Moloney didn't back out of the supposed mandatory fight against Nonito Donaire for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title, he is the best opponent for Donaire to see if the 40 years old former champion can still dominate the bantamweight division now that Inoue is out of the list.

If Santiago will able to pull an upset against Donaire, then Donaire has no chance to beat other bantamweights.

Although I'm not looking at that upset possibility since in the very first place, Santiago was just being considered as the contender for the WBC Bantamweight title because boxers above him in rankings already have their respective fight schedule.

now that magsayo lost his recent fight, it is up to donaire to raise the flag of the PH again. this will be a good retirement reward if in case he will end up winning this fight. time to call it a day if he will be successful on this one. don't chase anymore belts as he is not getting any younger. enjoy the retirement and if he doesn't want to get out of this sports, he can be a coach to the younger filipino boxers.

Winning this fight will be a good exit for him for sure but that is if Nonito Donaire is indeed looking forward to hang his gloves and retire once the fight ends, most probably he will have an announcement after this fight to clarify his intentions to the sport and to settle the issue whether he will retire or not.

But considering that he will be the winner here and what he have said before, he might claim another title before hanging his gloves. It's really up to him.

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I guess their camp already know Donaire's current situation and probably already acknowledge that if Donaire will not be successful versus Santiago, then a retirement will be his only option. You know, that is just sad because it's not a good exit for him but it is what it is. Well, in the positive side, Donaire's chances are greater than decent because this Santiago is not really a threat.

If only Jason Moloney didn't back out of the supposed mandatory fight against Nonito Donaire for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title, he is the best opponent for Donaire to see if the 40 years old former champion can still dominate the bantamweight division now that Inoue is out of the list.

If Santiago will able to pull an upset against Donaire, then Donaire has no chance to beat other bantamweights.

Although I'm not looking at that upset possibility since in the very first place, Santiago was just being considered as the contender for the WBC Bantamweight title because boxers above him in rankings already have their respective fight schedule.

now that magsayo lost his recent fight, it is up to donaire to raise the flag of the PH again. this will be a good retirement reward if in case he will end up winning this fight. time to call it a day if he will be successful on this one. don't chase anymore belts as he is not getting any younger. enjoy the retirement and if he doesn't want to get out of this sports, he can be a coach to the younger filipino boxers.

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I guess their camp already know Donaire's current situation and probably already acknowledge that if Donaire will not be successful versus Santiago, then a retirement will be his only option. You know, that is just sad because it's not a good exit for him but it is what it is. Well, in the positive side, Donaire's chances are greater than decent because this Santiago is not really a threat.

If only Jason Moloney didn't back out of the supposed mandatory fight against Nonito Donaire for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title, he is the best opponent for Donaire to see if the 40 years old former champion can still dominate the bantamweight division now that Inoue is out of the list.

If Santiago will able to pull an upset against Donaire, then Donaire has no chance to beat other bantamweights.

Although I'm not looking at that upset possibility since in the very first place, Santiago was just being considered as the contender for the WBC Bantamweight title because boxers above him in rankings already have their respective fight schedule.

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Quote from: Japinat on March 05, 2023, 08:27:24 AM

Quote from: harizen on March 04, 2023, 03:43:24 PM

If Donaire can't keep up with Santiago, he won't surely can't keep up to the lower division and better just retire.

I totally agree with you. Donaire is now in the right division, and Inoue is giving them a chance to be a champ, so it's a good opportunity for Donaire to win again. He was once a champion in this division; it's just that Inoue took that from him. Now that Inoue is gone, it's time for him to come back.

Changing divisions is usually only good for young boxers. Donaire is not young; he is already old.

At 40 years old, his body will be having difficulty in coping up with the weight changes for sure.

I guess their camp already know Donaire's current situation and probably already acknowledge that if Donaire will not be successful versus Santiago, then a retirement will be his only option. You know, that is just sad because it's not a good exit for him but it is what it is. Well, in the positive side, Donaire's chances are greater than decent because this Santiago is not really a threat.

Nonito's manager is Rachel Donaire, so any slight chance in Nonito will be noticed by her as she is the wife after all. And I don't think that she is willing to his husband be punished and damage if she knows he can't pull that trigger anymore. And she is the biggest influence to Nonito, and I'm seeing that if Rachel tells Nonito to stop then obviously he will. Fortunately, Rachel believed his husband can make another run on the belt, in short she makes all the shots in Nonito's career. I don't want to gossip or something, but in the past, there were accusations against her by Nonito Sr, causing a severe relationships between the Donaire's. Anyhow, this is Donaire's last ticket, he is going to be the favorite in this fight. And a win undeniably will make Nonito a world champion and will have to defend his belt, and so it will be a per fight basis for him moving forward, whether to continue or hang his gloves for good.

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Quote from: Japinat on March 05, 2023, 08:27:24 AM

Quote from: harizen on March 04, 2023, 03:43:24 PM

If Donaire can't keep up with Santiago, he won't surely can't keep up to the lower division and better just retire.

I totally agree with you. Donaire is now in the right division, and Inoue is giving them a chance to be a champ, so it's a good opportunity for Donaire to win again. He was once a champion in this division; it's just that Inoue took that from him. Now that Inoue is gone, it's time for him to come back.

Changing divisions is usually only good for young boxers. Donaire is not young; he is already old.

At 40 years old, his body will be having difficulty in coping up with the weight changes for sure.

I guess their camp already know Donaire's current situation and probably already acknowledge that if Donaire will not be successful versus Santiago, then a retirement will be his only option. You know, that is just sad because it's not a good exit for him but it is what it is. Well, in the positive side, Donaire's chances are greater than decent because this Santiago is not really a threat.

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Quote from: harizen on March 04, 2023, 03:43:24 PM

If Donaire can't keep up with Santiago, he won't surely can't keep up to the lower division and better just retire.

I totally agree with you. Donaire is now in the right division, and Inoue is giving them a chance to be a champ, so it's a good opportunity for Donaire to win again. He was once a champion in this division; it's just that Inoue took that from him. Now that Inoue is gone, it's time for him to come back.

Changing divisions is usually only good for young boxers. Donaire is not young; he is already old.

At 40 years old, his body will be having difficulty in coping up with the weight changes for sure.

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Quote from: molsewid on March 04, 2023, 09:53:36 AM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 03, 2023, 07:34:51 PM

i also believe that this fight will test his endurance if he can still fight younger boxers to aim for those coveted belts. if he can snatch such belts, that's a great reward before he hang his gloves. at least retire from you sports as a winner.

I want to it see that too if Donaire can still take a win against boxers here in the Bantamweight division regardless if they are young or not now that the most dominant Bantamweight boxer is now out of that division, Naoya Inoue.

If Donaire can't stand against other Bantamweight boxers then that's it and he should call it "a career".

But even after beating Santiago, I want to see him clashing with Jason Moloney. Hopefully, the next in line for him.

Hmmm, if he can't withstand with this fight or I don't know maybe he could change his division but I really doubt that he will be lose in this fight against Santiago . I really believe to Donaire but the thing is I think his team should learn to enhance his skill such as agility, because as he get older and when his opponents are younger than him he should go along with their speed and strength of course.

Changing division won't be a good idea knowing he can't beat a boxer in his comfort weight zone that's not even in the high rankings.

No need for any enhancement of skills or what. That is not necessary. Donaire just needs to follow his usual boxing style and do his usual training and workout. Shifting gears will not work now at this point in his career and as I mentioned, Santiago is not even a considered high-tier boxer.

If Donaire can't keep up with Santiago, he won't surely can't keep up to the lower division and better just retire.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 03, 2023, 07:59:40 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 04, 2023, 10:20:43 AM

Yep, he will be the A-side in this fight, actually in all of the bantamweight fights that Donaire could have in the future, he could be the A-side of all of it since Inoue has left. The timing though, when we thought he wanted to go down to 115 lbs and chase more belts, Inoue suddenly moves up that open doors for him again to fight for the bantamweight belt. Of course at some point, every boxer will have to hang their gloves for good and retire. And this fight could be a good testament for it, whether he can still fight or he doesn't have it anymore in his system.

The result of this fight will determine the future of Nonito Donaire.

If he can't beat Santiago here which far can't be compared to Naoya Inoue's level, then Donaire should retire.

Santiago is not even a threat to consider and Donaire can't handle him, he needs to think twice if he will still do boxing.

Yes, I definitely agree with that. Just in case though, then Nonito Donaire's future is guaranteed that he doesn't have any future left in the boxing industry because if he got defeated by Santiago then how much more to Moloney and other boxers who is inside the Top 5 bracket. What's left for him is to retire rather than become a laughing stock in the industry.

But I guess that won't happen because Santiago's chance is really slim compared to Donaire who can still dance gracefully inside the ring, let's just expect though that there's some changes because The Flash is not that flashy anymore.

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Quote from: molsewid on March 04, 2023, 09:53:36 AM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 03, 2023, 07:34:51 PM

i also believe that this fight will test his endurance if he can still fight younger boxers to aim for those coveted belts. if he can snatch such belts, that's a great reward before he hang his gloves. at least retire from you sports as a winner.

I want to it see that too if Donaire can still take a win against boxers here in the Bantamweight division regardless if they are young or not now that the most dominant Bantamweight boxer is now out of that division, Naoya Inoue.

If Donaire can't stand against other Bantamweight boxers then that's it and he should call it "a career".

But even after beating Santiago, I want to see him clashing with Jason Moloney. Hopefully, the next in line for him.

Hmmm, if he can't withstand with this fight or I don't know maybe he could change his division but I really doubt that he will be lose in this fight against Santiago . I really believe to Donaire but the thing is I think his team should learn to enhance his skill such as agility, because as he get older and when his opponents are younger than him he should go along with their speed and strength of course.

There's no need for Donaire to change his style. Donaire is Donaire, and he has special skills that make him successful. Aiming for a KO fits well as a strategy for him, as if he leaves the fight to the judges' scorecards, he might get tired and lose. He has power, which is why he is a KO artist, and if he cannot use that in this fight, then I don't expect him to win, as many of Donaire's fights that have not resulted in a KO have not been in his favor.

Yes you are right that and we all know that every fighter have thier own style and for this fight donaire have his old but gold style which is until now it is very effective and for this matchup between Alejandro Santiago and donaire then all I can say is that it's okay if he will not change his style because. A counter puncher is very good once your opponents are too aggressive. And Alejandro must be careful for this matchup.

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Quote from: molsewid on March 04, 2023, 09:53:36 AM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 03, 2023, 07:34:51 PM

i also believe that this fight will test his endurance if he can still fight younger boxers to aim for those coveted belts. if he can snatch such belts, that's a great reward before he hang his gloves. at least retire from you sports as a winner.

I want to it see that too if Donaire can still take a win against boxers here in the Bantamweight division regardless if they are young or not now that the most dominant Bantamweight boxer is now out of that division, Naoya Inoue.

If Donaire can't stand against other Bantamweight boxers then that's it and he should call it "a career".

But even after beating Santiago, I want to see him clashing with Jason Moloney. Hopefully, the next in line for him.

Hmmm, if he can't withstand with this fight or I don't know maybe he could change his division but I really doubt that he will be lose in this fight against Santiago . I really believe to Donaire but the thing is I think his team should learn to enhance his skill such as agility, because as he get older and when his opponents are younger than him he should go along with their speed and strength of course.

There's no need for Donaire to change his style. Donaire is Donaire, and he has special skills that make him successful. Aiming for a KO fits well as a strategy for him, as if he leaves the fight to the judges' scorecards, he might get tired and lose. He has power, which is why he is a KO artist, and if he cannot use that in this fight, then I don't expect him to win, as many of Donaire's fights that have not resulted in a KO have not been in his favor.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 03, 2023, 07:34:51 PM

i also believe that this fight will test his endurance if he can still fight younger boxers to aim for those coveted belts. if he can snatch such belts, that's a great reward before he hang his gloves. at least retire from you sports as a winner.

I want to it see that too if Donaire can still take a win against boxers here in the Bantamweight division regardless if they are young or not now that the most dominant Bantamweight boxer is now out of that division, Naoya Inoue.

If Donaire can't stand against other Bantamweight boxers then that's it and he should call it "a career".

But even after beating Santiago, I want to see him clashing with Jason Moloney. Hopefully, the next in line for him.

Hmmm, if he can't withstand with this fight or I don't know maybe he could change his division but I really doubt that he will be lose in this fight against Santiago . I really believe to Donaire but the thing is I think his team should learn to enhance his skill such as agility, because as he get older and when his opponents are younger than him he should go along with their speed and strength of course.

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Quote from: btc_angela on March 04, 2023, 08:45:47 AM

Yes, a good fight and at the same time, a measuring stick for Donaire, to see if he can still proceed throughout his career and then go as far as where no other bantamweight did in the past, at 40 years old and others say a way past boxer. But still fighting at a high level despite that sort of disadvantage as he will be fighting a young boxer here.

And he is still very positive, who ever it is Moloney or Santiago Donaire will not back down from the challenges.

Santiago is not a good boxer to use to measure Donaire, as Donaire is obviously the better fighter.

We have seen before how Donaire dominated a young boxer who did not have the same skills as he does, so I wouldn't be surprised if I see a knockout here. Actually, Donaire's loss to Inoue is not a measuring stick to consider Donaire a bad boxer or a boxer that is getting older, because Inoue is just exceptional. As a fan, it has been my dream to see Donaire fight Casimero, but unfortunately, that won't happen now since Casimero has moved up in weight.

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Yep, he will be the A-side in this fight, actually in all of the bantamweight fights that Donaire could have in the future, he could be the A-side of all of it since Inoue has left. The timing though, when we thought he wanted to go down to 115 lbs and chase more belts, Inoue suddenly moves up that open doors for him again to fight for the bantamweight belt. Of course at some point, every boxer will have to hang their gloves for good and retire. And this fight could be a good testament for it, whether he can still fight or he doesn't have it anymore in his system.

The result of this fight will determine the future of Nonito Donaire.

If he can't beat Santiago here which far can't be compared to Naoya Inoue's level, then Donaire should retire.

Santiago is not even a threat to consider and Donaire can't handle him, he needs to think twice if he will still do boxing.

This fight is key for Donaire, if he is able to win easily against Santiago then he can keep pushing the envelope and see how far he can go while he still retains his ability to fight, however as you state a loss should make him think immediately about retiring as even if Inoue is no longer in the division, failing when all the titles are available is not a good omen, however even if Donaire wins if he experiments a lot of problems to do it then he should still consider retiring.

Yes, a good fight and at the same time, a measuring stick for Donaire, to see if he can still proceed throughout his career and then go as far as where no other bantamweight did in the past, at 40 years old and others say a way past boxer. But still fighting at a high level despite that sort of disadvantage as he will be fighting a young boxer here.

And he is still very positive, who ever it is Moloney or Santiago Donaire will not back down from the challenges.

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Yep, he will be the A-side in this fight, actually in all of the bantamweight fights that Donaire could have in the future, he could be the A-side of all of it since Inoue has left. The timing though, when we thought he wanted to go down to 115 lbs and chase more belts, Inoue suddenly moves up that open doors for him again to fight for the bantamweight belt. Of course at some point, every boxer will have to hang their gloves for good and retire. And this fight could be a good testament for it, whether he can still fight or he doesn't have it anymore in his system.

The result of this fight will determine the future of Nonito Donaire.

If he can't beat Santiago here which far can't be compared to Naoya Inoue's level, then Donaire should retire.

Santiago is not even a threat to consider and Donaire can't handle him, he needs to think twice if he will still do boxing.

This fight is key for Donaire, if he is able to win easily against Santiago then he can keep pushing the envelope and see how far he can go while he still retains his ability to fight, however as you state a loss should make him think immediately about retiring as even if Inoue is no longer in the division, failing when all the titles are available is not a good omen, however even if Donaire wins if he experiments a lot of problems to do it then he should still consider retiring.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 03, 2023, 07:34:51 PM

Yep, he will be the A-side in this fight, actually in all of the bantamweight fights that Donaire could have in the future, he could be the A-side of all of it since Inoue has left. The timing though, when we thought he wanted to go down to 115 lbs and chase more belts, Inoue suddenly moves up that open doors for him again to fight for the bantamweight belt. Of course at some point, every boxer will have to hang their gloves for good and retire. And this fight could be a good testament for it, whether he can still fight or he doesn't have it anymore in his system.

The result of this fight will determine the future of Nonito Donaire.

If he can't beat Santiago here which far can't be compared to Naoya Inoue's level, then Donaire should retire.

Santiago is not even a threat to consider and Donaire can't handle him, he needs to think twice if he will still do boxing.

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i also believe that this fight will test his endurance if he can still fight younger boxers to aim for those coveted belts. if he can snatch such belts, that's a great reward before he hang his gloves. at least retire from you sports as a winner.

I want to it see that too if Donaire can still take a win against boxers here in the Bantamweight division regardless if they are young or not now that the most dominant Bantamweight boxer is now out of that division, Naoya Inoue.

If Donaire can't stand against other Bantamweight boxers then that's it and he should call it "a career".

But even after beating Santiago, I want to see him clashing with Jason Moloney. Hopefully, the next in line for him.

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