[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 38.

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The promotion I think wanted to see him up there in the ring and defend the title while the best in this division but it's still risky when he is challenged by a younger contender. This match makes sports betting more like guessing.

The fact that Donaire is still on the top ranking even at his current age, that's the reason why he is still getting good opportunities like this.

Regardless if the promoters wanted to see him in the ring or not, he is really bound to have a mandatory fight.

He's not being challenged though by young boxers but just doing the task he was assigned for.

Correct, he was able to still maintain hist status because of the high level of fights he got and the results, all of them are either TKO/KO except Inoue. So then the promoters likes Donaire for being that, representing their organization as a champion and that's why he is given another chance again for the WBC bantamweight.

And Donaire is not taking this fight lightly maybe just because the boxer that he is going to face is way below in the top 5 of the ranking. He is still going to be a threat to matter what but Donaire will be ready.

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Quote from: cabron on February 23, 2023, 03:55:06 PM

Sure he is one exciting boxer to watch while fighting. Even at his age, he is given the chance to win a champ title.
There are certain Donaire fights that really live long in my memory.

He is one best fighter in his prime , but of course all boxer will fade and I believe that Donaire is starting his, but hopefully that he will get it back and before retirement? there will be belt in his name to hold till his gone..

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The promotion I think wanted to see him up there in the ring and defend the title while the best in this division but it's still risky when he is challenged by a younger contender. This match makes sports betting more like guessing.

and of course , Himself wanted to be there , remember that boxer want their name to be restore as champion before leaving the ring permanently .

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Quote from: cabron on February 23, 2023, 03:55:06 PM

The promotion I think wanted to see him up there in the ring and defend the title while the best in this division but it's still risky when he is challenged by a younger contender. This match makes sports betting more like guessing.

The fact that Donaire is still on the top ranking even at his current age, that's the reason why he is still getting good opportunities like this.

Regardless if the promoters wanted to see him in the ring or not, he is really bound to have a mandatory fight.

He's not being challenged though by young boxers but just doing the task he was assigned for.

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Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

Right, but we all know, but Donaire will be deliberate in this fight and won't take Santiago lightly as his career is on the line. And because he will be motivated to really win that belt again. I'm looking for his left hook again to finish the fight.

Donaire is fortunate to have Santiago as his opponent in a title match; he's not a very tough opponent, so everyone is expecting Donaire to win and get a belt in his division again. Not having to fight Inoue is a big relief for any contender, so they can now compete on a more level playing field. I'm not saying Donaire will win easily, but at least this opponent is not ranked amongst the best in this division.

Sure he is one exciting boxer to watch while fighting. Even at his age, he is given the chance to win a champ title.
There are certain Donaire fights that really live long in my memory.

The promotion I think wanted to see him up there in the ring and defend the title while the best in this division but it's still risky when he is challenged by a younger contender. This match makes sports betting more like guessing.

There's always that risk though, remember when Donaire tries to move up in division and badly beaten and bloodied by Nicolas Walters and majority says that he is no longer in this prime. But then again he become a champion at bantamweight and beating young and upcoming fighters, as it he is the own stopping them from them becoming a champion except for one Naoya Inoue. And so this might be another case of that, although Santiago is not that young, but I think he is too small for Donaire, and his ko percentage is not that impressive I would say at 40%. So all advantage goes to Donaire and if he executes everything into perfection and didn't go old overnight, he will win this fight.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 23, 2023, 01:26:23 AM

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Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

Right, but we all know, but Donaire will be deliberate in this fight and won't take Santiago lightly as his career is on the line. And because he will be motivated to really win that belt again. I'm looking for his left hook again to finish the fight.

Donaire is fortunate to have Santiago as his opponent in a title match; he's not a very tough opponent, so everyone is expecting Donaire to win and get a belt in his division again. Not having to fight Inoue is a big relief for any contender, so they can now compete on a more level playing field. I'm not saying Donaire will win easily, but at least this opponent is not ranked amongst the best in this division.

Sure he is one exciting boxer to watch while fighting. Even at his age, he is given the chance to win a champ title.
There are certain Donaire fights that really live long in my memory.

The promotion I think wanted to see him up there in the ring and defend the title while the best in this division but it's still risky when he is challenged by a younger contender. This match makes sports betting more like guessing.

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However, Donaire is now fighting a different opponent, so we'll most probably see the power that we're talking about in this fight.

That's guaranteed. The fact that Santiago does not have the KO power of Inoue means this fight might last longer if Donaire does not knock out Santiago. We all know that Donaire is still hungry for a win; he wants to be at the top again. And now that Inoue is not a hindrance anymore, he will certainly not waste this opportunity to come back at the top.

And I'm also under the same impression as well that Donaire will do anything he can to have that belt again and be a champion once more, I bet they are the ones who found Santiago because they can't just be sitting ducks without doing anything except from waiting, that's how determined they are to have a title fight as soon as possible as they also know that Donaire's time is fast approaching already.

Definitely, Donaire's camp needs to decide fast as he is not getting any younger.
As much as possible, finish whatever Donaire wants to achieve before his retirement.
I believe, he is indeed aiming to retire a champion with belts on, now that Inoue is out in this division.
This should be an easy fight for Donaire if he will show his technical skills as well as his strength inside the ring.

I agree, Donaire won't surely retire at this rate especially after that loss against Inoue as that's not a good exit for someone like him that carved his way through the top and be known. Although after this fight, let's say Donaire had succeed on his championship campaign, I think they will still weigh somethings first because the opportunity will be wasted as there's no threat in the division as of now because Inoue vacated it already. So, that said, maybe he will grab another one belt before he hangs his gloves completely.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on February 21, 2023, 10:26:56 AM

I am also confident of a Donaire KO win but his inactivity plus his age might be a factor if he can't stop Santiago in the first half of the fight. Donaire is not fast anymore but he is accurate although he might become slower with low output in the second half.

Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

I think the best approach Donaire could take in this fight and every other fight he may take should he reconsider his retirement is to be technical, but retain the explosive power of his punches. Given that he's not fast anymore and that he's aging, his stamina is also bound to be lesser than back when he was still in his prime. So less movements, more technicality, and retaining the same punching power would almost always guarantee him a win one way or another. As for Santiago, i believe if he couldn't KO this guy, he still has a chance at winning via technicalities. I think he knows that too, but judging Santiago's performance and record, this isn't going to be an easy retirement fight for Donaire.

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I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

No matter how fast and strong he is when he won't get a chance to land those power punches in the early rounds he would be in real trouble when his opponent will start to get serious and he is out of stamina. He is just like another soon to retired boxer when he reaches that age because no matter how hard his training is when he gets old, he will start to slow down and he is injury prone. But he is still not gonna back off when it comes to his opponent because we know him, he likes to gamble his power punches and take those counters just to land serious damage against his opponent.

I wouldn't consider that a possibility, as Donaire had been dominating in the bantamweight division prior to his fight with Inoue. Even though Inoue has moved up, we can still consider Donaire a serious threat to anyone who wants to compete for the belts. Donaire has matured in boxing, and he knows how to exploit his opponent's weaknesses using his advantages.

Yes, he has been dominating this division before and when he tries to move up and got destroyed, other says that it will be the end of Donaire's career. But he become a champion again, runner up to Inoue in the WBSS tournament like 3-4 years ago and it was a resurgent career for him.

So he still have his chance to become a champion and should be consider as one of the best bantamweight of our generation. And I think everyone in the bantamweight division knows that as well. Moloney avoided him for that reason and decided to chase WBO belt.

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I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

No matter how fast and strong he is when he won't get a chance to land those power punches in the early rounds he would be in real trouble when his opponent will start to get serious and he is out of stamina. He is just like another soon to retired boxer when he reaches that age because no matter how hard his training is when he gets old, he will start to slow down and he is injury prone. But he is still not gonna back off when it comes to his opponent because we know him, he likes to gamble his power punches and take those counters just to land serious damage against his opponent.

I wouldn't consider that a possibility, as Donaire had been dominating in the bantamweight division prior to his fight with Inoue. Even though Inoue has moved up, we can still consider Donaire a serious threat to anyone who wants to compete for the belts. Donaire has matured in boxing, and he knows how to exploit his opponent's weaknesses using his advantages.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 22, 2023, 01:08:59 AM

I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

No matter how fast and strong he is when he won't get a chance to land those power punches in the early rounds he would be in real trouble when his opponent will start to get serious and he is out of stamina. He is just like another soon to retired boxer when he reaches that age because no matter how hard his training is when he gets old, he will start to slow down and he is injury prone. But he is still not gonna back off when it comes to his opponent because we know him, he likes to gamble his power punches and take those counters just to land serious damage against his opponent.

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Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

Right, but we all know, but Donaire will be deliberate in this fight and won't take Santiago lightly as his career is on the line. And because he will be motivated to really win that belt again. I'm looking for his left hook again to finish the fight.

Donaire is fortunate to have Santiago as his opponent in a title match; he's not a very tough opponent, so everyone is expecting Donaire to win and get a belt in his division again. Not having to fight Inoue is a big relief for any contender, so they can now compete on a more level playing field. I'm not saying Donaire will win easily, but at least this opponent is not ranked amongst the best in this division.

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However, Donaire is now fighting a different opponent, so we'll most probably see the power that we're talking about in this fight.

That's guaranteed. The fact that Santiago does not have the KO power of Inoue means this fight might last longer if Donaire does not knock out Santiago. We all know that Donaire is still hungry for a win; he wants to be at the top again. And now that Inoue is not a hindrance anymore, he will certainly not waste this opportunity to come back at the top.

And I'm also under the same impression as well that Donaire will do anything he can to have that belt again and be a champion once more, I bet they are the ones who found Santiago because they can't just be sitting ducks without doing anything except from waiting, that's how determined they are to have a title fight as soon as possible as they also know that Donaire's time is fast approaching already.

It is really just the right thing to be done rather than on waiting up for some offers or fights to be set out.I agree on that fact that it would really be just right to have that aggressive approach about

on trying out to get the belts on what Inoue had left or vacated.Who doesnt really want to become a beltholder for a specific division? It isnt really still that late for Donaire and
basing up on some stats.

Boxing Record

Total Fights   49
Wins   42
Losses   7
Draws   0
No-Contests   0
KO Wins   28
Total Title Wins   10
Title Defenses   10
Title-Fight KO Wins   12
Losses via KO   2

Source: https://www.martialbot.com/boxing/n/nonito-donaire.html

So he had some 10 title wins.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on February 21, 2023, 10:26:56 AM

I am also confident of a Donaire KO win but his inactivity plus his age might be a factor if he can't stop Santiago in the first half of the fight. Donaire is not fast anymore but he is accurate although he might become slower with low output in the second half.

Yeah, in his last couple of fights wherein he won, he simply go for the KO from this younger guys. So he might go the same here, chase Santiago early and test him as he doesn't want to go to full 12 rounds because he will run out of gas.

Quote from: inthelongrun on February 21, 2023, 10:26:56 AM

Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

Right, but we all know, but Donaire will be deliberate in this fight and won't take Santiago lightly as his career is on the line. And because he will be motivated to really win that belt again. I'm looking for his left hook again to finish the fight.

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However, Donaire is now fighting a different opponent, so we'll most probably see the power that we're talking about in this fight.

That's guaranteed. The fact that Santiago does not have the KO power of Inoue means this fight might last longer if Donaire does not knock out Santiago. We all know that Donaire is still hungry for a win; he wants to be at the top again. And now that Inoue is not a hindrance anymore, he will certainly not waste this opportunity to come back at the top.

And I'm also under the same impression as well that Donaire will do anything he can to have that belt again and be a champion once more, I bet they are the ones who found Santiago because they can't just be sitting ducks without doing anything except from waiting, that's how determined they are to have a title fight as soon as possible as they also know that Donaire's time is fast approaching already.

Definitely, Donaire's camp needs to decide fast as he is not getting any younger.
As much as possible, finish whatever Donaire wants to achieve before his retirement.
I believe, he is indeed aiming to retire a champion with belts on, now that Inoue is out in this division.
This should be an easy fight for Donaire if he will show his technical skills as well as his strength inside the ring.

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However, Donaire is now fighting a different opponent, so we'll most probably see the power that we're talking about in this fight.

That's guaranteed. The fact that Santiago does not have the KO power of Inoue means this fight might last longer if Donaire does not knock out Santiago. We all know that Donaire is still hungry for a win; he wants to be at the top again. And now that Inoue is not a hindrance anymore, he will certainly not waste this opportunity to come back at the top.

And I'm also under the same impression as well that Donaire will do anything he can to have that belt again and be a champion once more, I bet they are the ones who found Santiago because they can't just be sitting ducks without doing anything except from waiting, that's how determined they are to have a title fight as soon as possible as they also know that Donaire's time is fast approaching already.

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I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

He will certainly make adjustments to his strategy, as he knows that taking this fight to 12 rounds will put him at a disadvantage. Even during Donaire's younger years when he won championships, his fights usually ended early due to his accurate counter-punching ability. If he still possesses that power and precision, there is no way Santiago can win against the Flash.

It’s very hard to adjust if the body aged itself is the problem. I don’t see the flash anymore on his fight especially with his recent fight. I knew that Naoya is on different league with Santiago but still he is also young and he can make this game to 12 rounds to beat the sit out of Donaire due to his stamina issue.

Only Gaballo is the one he defeated young since he is too careless due to his arrogance. But I doubt Santiago will do the same given with his experience.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 22, 2023, 01:08:59 AM

I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

He will certainly make adjustments to his strategy, as he knows that taking this fight to 12 rounds will put him at a disadvantage. Even during Donaire's younger years when he won championships, his fights usually ended early due to his accurate counter-punching ability. If he still possesses that power and precision, there is no way Santiago can win against the Flash.

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I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

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^He already did acknowledge that, he knows that it's hard to beat that version of Inoue who is still in his prime. He just wanted to test it out that's why he want toe to toe with him but eventually it was the wrong decision for him as he was knockout cold by Inoue.

And now he had move forward, although he has been hinting to go down to 115 lbs.

But it's all changed when Inoue decided to move up and that open another door for him to become a world champ at bantamweight.

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