[Boxing]Canelo Alvarez vs Callum Smith Super Middleweight Title - page 3.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 17, 2020, 03:59:57 PM

Smith shouldnt really be underestimated on any angle yet he had really that advantage when it comes to reach but with some good timing with body shots then that can really be handled out easily.

Moving in weight division? I dont see much for this to be a problem.

To a great fighter like Alvarez you cannot put him at a disadvantage just check out his fight against Khan, Amir Khan has a superior when they fought but all he needed was one punch to knock him out, Smith has the height advantage but he needs to be strong to keep Alvarez at bay who will go inside and do bodywork on him.

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An exaggerated illustration on Callum Smith's height advantage over Canelo Grin

. For sure Team Canelo would advise their guy to go in-fighting and not let Smith use his reach advantage.

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Have not pull the trigger yet and have some doubts on whether Smith could withstand Canelo's body shot for 12 rounds or not. I might go for KO win for Canelo.

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Canelo could be rusty in the first few rounds, after all he is a slow starter, but once he heated up and find his range and rhythm against the taller Callum, it will just be a matter of time before we see the old Canelo with good jabs and timing and body shots.

So he could struggle a bit in the beginning, what I like about Smith though is that he is good utilising his advantage, his height and his reach, and this will be a big challenge for Canelo again in the start.

Observing out of his fight then he had really this kind of behavior on where he might really be looked on disadvantage on early or start up rounds where he do need up some warm up first
before making some move or throw out some punches.This is indeed the old Canelo that we do know.

Smith shouldnt really be underestimated on any angle yet he had really that advantage when it comes to reach but with some good timing with body shots then that can really be handled out easily.

Moving in weight division? I dont see much for this to be a problem.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 16, 2020, 07:44:30 PM

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And it is going to be a battle of body shots as well, both of them have different methods of throwing, but the effect is still the same. Canelo has been hit by GGG who himself is a body snatcher, but wasn't affected. I'm not sure about Callum though, how he will react if Canelo hits him in the vulnerable spot on his body.

Only few has survived Canelo in his last 10 fights, it's either win by KO or UD. So good odds as posted by @bisdak40, you just have to choose one though, to maximise our profits.

Callum Smith is super tall, he need to use his advantage by boxing out Canelo, if he can consistently do that, then maybe he wins.

There's so much bet on Canelo to win here, how about I'll go the other way and hope that it will be an upset. lol
IIRC, never seen Canelo fought this tall, so he might struggle here, correct me here if I'm wrong.

I think Canelo has gained a lot of experienced fighting tall fighters like Kovalev 1.83 meters or Rocky Fielding at 1.86. He has a good ring IQ and can probably adjust as the fight progresses. So this is still in Canelo's territory and it he caught Smith with a perfect time shot, Smith might play defensive all the way.

So I'm seeing that either Canelo will knock him out, or won by a lopsided decision in the judges scorecard. But in any case, you bet on the underdog, still good though, maybe Canelo is rusty.

Canelo could be rusty in the first few rounds, after all he is a slow starter, but once he heated up and find his range and rhythm against the taller Callum, it will just be a matter of time before we see the old Canelo with good jabs and timing and body shots.

So he could struggle a bit in the beginning, what I like about Smith though is that he is good utilising his advantage, his height and his reach, and this will be a big challenge for Canelo again in the start.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 17, 2020, 08:27:28 AM

I agree with Callum here, Alvarez is really a better 160 and I would say that weight class is where he belong. But he has clean it up and no more big opportunity that's why he went to 168 lbs where there is a lot of money. He even went as high as LHW fighting Kovalev. I'm sure Callum is preparing for this fight because this is his biggest so far.

It's not really the weight, on the time of the fight some boxers after the weigh-in quickly added some weights before the start of the fight and they go on their natural weight when they are in a fight if Alvarez reach 168 in the weigh-in and he is at it's best on the night of the fight he can always deliver, Alvarez have everything it's not the weight but his punching power.

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Quote from: robelneo on December 17, 2020, 06:29:09 AM

I just read this article

Callum Smith: Canelo Alvarez is 'a better 160 fighter than he is at 168' It looks like we have a making of a very great fight between these two highly talented champion and Callum is very much prepared for the greatest fight of his career and he mentioned

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He can box on the back foot, he's got good head movement, he's got good lateral movement, he's smart, he's strong and I will be prepared for the hardest fight of my career, but I believe I've got the beating of him," said Smith. "If I deliver the best of my ability, I beat him."

So we have a great fight coming and we don't want to miss this one.

I agree with Callum here, Alvarez is really a better 160 and I would say that weight class is where he belong. But he has clean it up and no more big opportunity that's why he went to 168 lbs where there is a lot of money. He even went as high as LHW fighting Kovalev. I'm sure Callum is preparing for this fight because this is his biggest so far.

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And it is going to be a battle of body shots as well, both of them have different methods of throwing, but the effect is still the same. Canelo has been hit by GGG who himself is a body snatcher, but wasn't affected. I'm not sure about Callum though, how he will react if Canelo hits him in the vulnerable spot on his body.

Only few has survived Canelo in his last 10 fights, it's either win by KO or UD. So good odds as posted by @bisdak40, you just have to choose one though, to maximise our profits.

Callum Smith is super tall, he need to use his advantage by boxing out Canelo, if he can consistently do that, then maybe he wins.

There's so much bet on Canelo to win here, how about I'll go the other way and hope that it will be an upset. lol
IIRC, never seen Canelo fought this tall, so he might struggle here, correct me here if I'm wrong.

I think Canelo has gained a lot of experienced fighting tall fighters like Kovalev 1.83 meters or Rocky Fielding at 1.86. He has a good ring IQ and can probably adjust as the fight progresses. So this is still in Canelo's territory and it he caught Smith with a perfect time shot, Smith might play defensive all the way.

So I'm seeing that either Canelo will knock him out, or won by a lopsided decision in the judges scorecard. But in any case, you bet on the underdog, still good though, maybe Canelo is rusty.

Thanks for that information, I didn't know that. I was looking at the record of these two fighters, both of them are not undefeated anymore.
Rocky Fielding had 2 loses, one coming from Canelo while one came from Callum Smith, I guess this makes the fight interesting.

So Callum Smith is still the tallest fighter Canelo would fight, Rocky Fielding is 6'1" while Callum Smith is 6'3".

BTW, I'm going to watch the highlight of Rocky Fielding vs Callum Smith, I want to know how Rocky Fielding got defeated.

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I just read this article

Callum Smith: Canelo Alvarez is 'a better 160 fighter than he is at 168' It looks like we have a making of a very great fight between these two highly talented champion and Callum is very much prepared for the greatest fight of his career and he mentioned

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He can box on the back foot, he's got good head movement, he's got good lateral movement, he's smart, he's strong and I will be prepared for the hardest fight of my career, but I believe I've got the beating of him," said Smith. "If I deliver the best of my ability, I beat him."

So we have a great fight coming and we don't want to miss this one.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 16, 2020, 10:57:05 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:25 AM

If you are rooting for Canelo Alvarez to win this fight then below odds is not that bad. Callum Smith is massive so i think knock-out victory by Canelo is slim so i'm going for Canelo via Decision. But putting some amount for Smith as a safety net if upset happens is not bad at all but i'm not going to apply this kind of strategy as i don't believe that Smith could pull an upset.

I disagree with most of the other posters, as I believe that there is a greater chance of Alvarez winning this match by a KO, rather than by UD. So these odds look fair for me. Right now I am not considering the possibility of a win by Callum Smith, as the probability of any such scenario is statistically zero.

Ohh, this is too much and i disagree with you here. Even if Canelo is the heavy favorite against Smith but the chance of him winning is not zero. In boxing there is always that lucky punch that could turned the fight around and we have seen too many of them in our lifetime. Andy Ruiz vs Joshua, Whyte vs Povetkin, to name a few.

1.85 Canelo via KO is attractive but i will still go for Canelo via Decision.

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 16, 2020, 10:57:05 PM

When was the last time we got a major upset in boxing?

Have you seen the fight between Lomachenco vs Teofimo Lopez?

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If you are rooting for Canelo Alvarez to win this fight then below odds is not that bad. Callum Smith is massive so i think knock-out victory by Canelo is slim so i'm going for Canelo via Decision. But putting some amount for Smith as a safety net if upset happens is not bad at all but i'm not going to apply this kind of strategy as i don't believe that Smith could pull an upset.

I disagree with most of the other posters, as I believe that there is a greater chance of Alvarez winning this match by a KO, rather than by UD. So these odds look fair for me. Right now I am not considering the possibility of a win by Callum Smith, as the probability of any such scenario is statistically zero. When was the last time we got a major upset in boxing?

I 2nd, because we are talking of chances, we can look at the odds and as you can see, the odds is lower for Canelo to win by KO, meaning higher chance.

The scenario I see here is that, if Canelo will win, it should be by KO and if Callum Smith will win, it will be on decision because he can use his length to outbox Canelo Alvarez, but there's a lower chance only that we will see that since Canelo is the favorites here.

Callum Smith has 27 wins and 19 of that are coming from KOs, he is also a monster though he is an underdog here, also he is an undefeated so he has the confident as a fighter, probably this is the biggest fight of his career so it's either he is nervous here or excited to fight Canelo.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 16, 2020, 10:57:05 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:25 AM

If you are rooting for Canelo Alvarez to win this fight then below odds is not that bad. Callum Smith is massive so i think knock-out victory by Canelo is slim so i'm going for Canelo via Decision. But putting some amount for Smith as a safety net if upset happens is not bad at all but i'm not going to apply this kind of strategy as i don't believe that Smith could pull an upset.

I disagree with most of the other posters, as I believe that there is a greater chance of Alvarez winning this match by a KO, rather than by UD. So these odds look fair for me. Right now I am not considering the possibility of a win by Callum Smith, as the probability of any such scenario is statistically zero. When was the last time we got a major upset in boxing?

I 2nd, because we are talking of chances, we can look at the odds and as you can see, the odds is lower for Canelo to win by KO, meaning higher chance.

The scenario I see here is that, if Canelo will win, it should be by KO and if Callum Smith will win, it will be on decision because he can use his length to outbox Canelo Alvarez, but there's a lower chance only that we will see that since Canelo is the favorites here.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:25 AM

If you are rooting for Canelo Alvarez to win this fight then below odds is not that bad. Callum Smith is massive so i think knock-out victory by Canelo is slim so i'm going for Canelo via Decision. But putting some amount for Smith as a safety net if upset happens is not bad at all but i'm not going to apply this kind of strategy as i don't believe that Smith could pull an upset.

I disagree with most of the other posters, as I believe that there is a greater chance of Alvarez winning this match by a KO, rather than by UD. So these odds look fair for me. Right now I am not considering the possibility of a win by Callum Smith, as the probability of any such scenario is statistically zero. When was the last time we got a major upset in boxing?

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Quote from: Maslate on December 16, 2020, 06:31:14 PM

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And it is going to be a battle of body shots as well, both of them have different methods of throwing, but the effect is still the same. Canelo has been hit by GGG who himself is a body snatcher, but wasn't affected. I'm not sure about Callum though, how he will react if Canelo hits him in the vulnerable spot on his body.

Only few has survived Canelo in his last 10 fights, it's either win by KO or UD. So good odds as posted by @bisdak40, you just have to choose one though, to maximise our profits.

Callum Smith is super tall, he need to use his advantage by boxing out Canelo, if he can consistently do that, then maybe he wins.

There's so much bet on Canelo to win here, how about I'll go the other way and hope that it will be an upset. lol
IIRC, never seen Canelo fought this tall, so he might struggle here, correct me here if I'm wrong.

I think Canelo has gained a lot of experienced fighting tall fighters like Kovalev 1.83 meters or Rocky Fielding at 1.86. He has a good ring IQ and can probably adjust as the fight progresses. So this is still in Canelo's territory and it he caught Smith with a perfect time shot, Smith might play defensive all the way.

So I'm seeing that either Canelo will knock him out, or won by a lopsided decision in the judges scorecard. But in any case, you bet on the underdog, still good though, maybe Canelo is rusty.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 16, 2020, 02:43:52 PM

And it is going to be a battle of body shots as well, both of them have different methods of throwing, but the effect is still the same. Canelo has been hit by GGG who himself is a body snatcher, but wasn't affected. I'm not sure about Callum though, how he will react if Canelo hits him in the vulnerable spot on his body.

Only few has survived Canelo in his last 10 fights, it's either win by KO or UD. So good odds as posted by @bisdak40, you just have to choose one though, to maximise our profits.

Callum Smith is super tall, he need to use his advantage by boxing out Canelo, if he can consistently do that, then maybe he wins.

There's so much bet on Canelo to win here, how about I'll go the other way and hope that it will be an upset. lol
IIRC, never seen Canelo fought this tall, so he might struggle here, correct me here if I'm wrong.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 16, 2020, 07:05:44 AM

You have a point there mate but still go with the fact that Callum Smith has not been knock-out in his career and for sure he will use his reach advantage to keep Canelo at bay. This is also Canelo's first in over a year so there might be ring rust that might contribute for him to not knocking out Smith.

Canelo has been to a lot it's not the ring rust or if the opponent has not been knock out he will still deliver he is on a peak of his career, Canelo can knock anybody out with just one punch I have seen how he deliver his punch and how his opponent react on his punch, we'll see this on the first three rounds of the fight if Callum Smith can take the punch.

He's experienced and his dominance appearnace inside the ring, Canelo still have the edge though we can't disregard he's opponent as Smith also have that capabilities, once he seen an opening he won't think twice to try knocking Canelo.

This fight will be an exciting one as boxing fans are really looking for serious actions
that this two boxers can really provide to their respective fans. Placing some spare
for Canelo here.

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And it is going to be a battle of body shots as well, both of them have different methods of throwing, but the effect is still the same. Canelo has been hit by GGG who himself is a body snatcher, but wasn't affected. I'm not sure about Callum though, how he will react if Canelo hits him in the vulnerable spot on his body.

Only few has survived Canelo in his last 10 fights, it's either win by KO or UD. So good odds as posted by @bisdak40, you just have to choose one though, to maximise our profits.

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Quote from: freedomgo on December 07, 2020, 12:07:55 AM

That's the reason why we are favoring Alvarez here to win, his opponent is not really that popular or we call it big name in the sports of boxing. This doesn't look attractive to the fans as they already know who is likely going to win, the betting odds tells itself obviously.

Callum Smith also has a high KO rate but I don't recognize the names he beater in the list.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/631178

Whenever there is such imbalance in the popularity of the fighters this kind of disparity will happen, however this is an opportunity, while I will not put any money on Callum beating Canelo there may be other bets that allow you to have good odds and make a profits if you dig hard enough, after all I am sure that most fans of Canelo are going to bet on him on every single bet they make so there is the possibility for advantageous play there.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on November 06, 2020, 06:30:09 PM

Canelo Alvarez is at his prime now, his opponent is not so popular as a boxer but I like Plant's record because he is undefeated.
Maybe they are not getting into big fights now, Canelo just trying to condition himself with a non popular boxer for him to get ready on some big fights in the future.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/684493

12 KOs from 20 wins, the record is amazing.

Hopefully this is not a Lopez vs Loma alike. Grin

Plant maybe an underdog but he got power from his punches, i've seen his fights and most of them are won via knock out. But let's not disregard how big names that Canelo defeated such as Triple G and has a lot of experience from great fighters. The only problem is he has not fought in a big match for a long time and Plant did not stop.

Honestly, i think fans that predicted Saul aka Canelo to win this Saturday fight make their predictions without doing some few background check on Plant previous opponents, for the record John Ryder which Plant fought to retain his WBA is also a good fighter and Plant asking Mayweather who have once beat Saul for advice will be an advantage for Plant on Saturday.

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Today they had a face off and the size difference is incredible. It is a bit shocking to see this. This can certainly play a factor in the outcome of this bout. Smith is also 30 years old so Canelo won't have the age advantage he had when he faced Kovalev or GGG. I'm excited for this weekend and I expect this to be a close fight.

There is a big height difference but not in weight and skill, Canelo is still the better fighter between them, Canelo will just adjust just like he did to all his opponent and beat Callum Smith, but if ever Smith win the match, of course, Callum is still good fighter it will be a candidate for the upset of the year.

There are more difference between the fighters than the height differences cause they dont have the same records (Smith is still undefeated) and their debut is also different which make Canelo to be more experienced than Smith and that's the reason why Canelo is consider as a tough opponent for Smith so I dont expect Smith to be the winner of the fight.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on November 06, 2020, 06:30:09 PM

Canelo Alvarez is at his prime now, his opponent is not so popular as a boxer but I like Plant's record because he is undefeated.
Maybe they are not getting into big fights now, Canelo just trying to condition himself with a non popular boxer for him to get ready on some big fights in the future.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/684493

12 KOs from 20 wins, the record is amazing.

Hopefully this is not a Lopez vs Loma alike. Grin

Plant maybe an underdog but he got power from his punches, i've seen his fights and most of them are won via knock out. But let's not disregard how big names that Canelo defeated such as Triple G and has a lot of experience from great fighters. The only problem is he has not fought in a big match for a long time and Plant did not stop.

You are replying to a post that was posted more than a month ago mate, back then Plant was supposed to be opponent of Canelo Alvarez but he was replaced by Callum Smith, a British fighter who like Plant, undefeated also but i think more beatable than the latter.

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