Topic: Boycott 0.8.2 - page 5. (Read 18974 times)

But... Linux is imo plain old way better than those OS's are. Why should bitcoin bow to inferior operating systems? Popular use is cool, but I'd be happier about 10% of all linux users using btc than 11% of windows users using it. (Note that i have no idea what these numbers actually imply.)

I honestly sense a trace of hipocrisy. How might you go about joining the core dev team to fix these problems?
I'd join, but my coding abilities take a sharp nosedive at myspace-style HTML.
Do you have any active pull requests or an altcoin in the works?
Did you know you're ignore flagged?
*gasp* Am I ignore flagged?!

I am trying to talk to them and get them to join, but their greedy eyes are wider. I am also thinking of taking $500,000 of my own money and investing in ASIC miners and doing mining myself. I am stilling thinking about that option cause $500,000 would make a tough year for me, but I am so passionate about the community I would do it.

He shouldn't have to try anything. The core development team, doesn't even code anymore they all do work for other bitcoin companies and have lost focus on what is really important.

Try Linux.

What stops people is that is by default off, so unless we all start sharing IPs with I don't think we want to, it would be very hard to relay that transaction, to a miner if any miner would pick it up. I have yet to find a miner that supports this so I can directly connect to them.

I can no l0nger use bitcoin on either a mac or windows. I cant even install the client on windows without errors and my mac is unuseable with bitcoin-qt. Yes you should boycott it, because the coding is fucking  shit.

I saw the few replies regarding this but id like to point something out, The following examples all use bullshit numbers for simplicity and ease of understanding.

Transaction fees are based on the amount of data in the transaction, the more transactions you link to the larger that data set is.
(the data includes where each transaction came from, so lots of tiny amounts sent to you really add up when you spend them.)

(these are not real fees, these are total crap numbers, its just so you get the idea)
Essentially whats happening is that someone is paying you 1 penny, but it will cost you 1$ to send it., in essense, you just threw away 99 pennies to spend that 1 penny.

The difference in value of what your receiving makes all the difference here. Any amount you receive that is the same or below the minimum fee, is going to likely cost you more then you received to send it(example above). There is some wiggle room with how its all calculated but i dont think that is the most important factor for you. For example, lets say you receive 1 penny, it costs 1 penny to send it. as a result you have a net gain of 0$ if you receive 2 pennies and it costs 1 penny to send it then you have a net gain of 1 penny, or 50% of what you received, Not a vary good percentage. Even at 10 pennies  with a cost of 1 penny thats still only nets you 9 out of 10 pennies or 90% of your money. Thats like a 10% fee!

Whats my point? To put it plainly. the closer the amounts that you receive are to the fee you must pay, the less of your money you get to keep. The larger the amounts you receive, the more you get to keep.

Hopefully what im trying to say is easy to understand.


Makes me really wish bitcoinQT had some ability to select which transactions to use and the ability to view the related fees for them on the fly.

The hard part isn't changing or forking anything, if you read the thread, the hard part is convincing miners not to be greed and users that are brainwashed to change their client, default controls for varies reasons. Their is no democratic part to this, Gavin changed a important part of bitcoin without a vote, that is when a vote should have happened. Even then I be his vote would have just included the foundation members which are all brainwashed people as seen by KJJ. As he is a member.


PLEASE IF YOUR GOING TO JUST SAY THE SAME THING AS SAID 100000x DON"T IT GETS ANNOYING!

Exactly.. everyone is bitching about something easily configurable.

Luckily you still have the FREEDOM to create spammy uneconomcial transactions (once which cost more in fees that they are worth spending).  You just have to find someone willing to mine it for you.

  Freedom means opportunity not forcing others to bend to your will. 

Spammers have the freedom to create spammy worthless transactions.
Nodes have the freedom to either relay them or not.
Miners have the freedom to decide what transactions go into the current block.

I see the word "freedom" mentioned in this thread a bunch of times.

Here is a quote from Jefferson:

Show me where I was repeating myself, cause I only repeated myself since people were asking the same questions over and over. So that isn't me repeating myself.

How was my concern addressed completely? Is that when people said tough luck, it is this is way and their is no way of getting back to the other way, unless Gavin says so? Pretty sure that was the only way. I didn't ignore anyone I told them how they were actually right and it is sad, that I have to comply or not use bitcoins.

How is setting the default policy to block these transactions exactly making it easier? The only thing it made easier was the jobs of the core devs cause they don't have to worry about the blockchain. If that is acceptable to you, then great you be happy. I think that is a failure and only time will tell.

I do believe Gavin is a dictator. If you don't agree, then that is your opinion and I respect it. As I hope you would respect my opinion that he is.


LMAO this actually made me laugh.

This is the saddest thread of the forums, cause this right here, shows that if aren't on the side of the core developers then you must be the idiot. And that is what hurts me the most, and makes me sad. Freedom of speech... none is being shown in this thread. If you actually read my point of view before attacking me you would understand. I have discussed this with many bitcoiners offline and online, and this is the only thread that completely doesn't get it. That is the most upsetting thing ever. I don't know if your scared to say Gavin is a dictator or you actually believe this is the right move, but if understood my point of view you would agree with it. Or maybe not since you seem like a bitcoin foundation front runner, so yeah.

This isn't even a forking change.  If you really want to spend less than a penny, find a miner who is willing to mine your transaction and broadcast it to them.  There is no protocol change here, just some defaults about what to forward and include in blocks that can easily be changed.  If bitcoin price continues to rise, the defaults will likely be changed to adapt and in the mean time miners can edit their configuration files.

As someone who intends to store the complete blockchain until I die, I support these anti-spam measures.

Thank you.
Would you be so kind as to reference 'coin aging'? I've been explaining it in terms of a bag of pennies melting into a blob of copper. Is this accurate?

I'm much obliged.

Another person that needs to read more. I am not answering this thread anymore cause now the stupid people who want to try and make a name for themselves are just piling on a subject they have no idea about.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING IN THIS THREAD dumb people like BitcoinAshley just say the same thing over and over, and expect a different answer. Which I am not giving him, cause then I would just retype what I typed 100 times.

If you feel it isn't censorship it is your opinion, I believe differently and your just calling me names that is uncalled for really.

Thanks to bitcoin, I can actually save some money now.
I've been boycotting fiat for years now.

Sure.  It was never going to cause a fork, but the PR was noticed.

The more interesting question is, what kind of change *would* trigger a meaningful boycott.

If you can work that out, you've torpedoed btc ...

Your wrong, with the change, even if you put 100BTC fee on your dust transaction it wouldn't be picked up, cause it wouldn't be relayed by other clients, PLUS read before asking questions.

I think the boycott is a total failure

Yes, that's right, get used to it. 

Developer consensus can change the protocol rules, that's just how it works. 

No one is forced to download the changes.  If the chain is split or poor changes are introduced, it's bad for bitcoin, but other alt currencies will become more attractive.

I think there will come a 51% attack on bitcoin, not through mining, but through attacking the developer consensus process.  Vote stuffing is normal in standarization.  For me, it's not a question of, IF, but of WHEN.  My hope is that bitcoin can survive a few more years yet. 

There's also many examples of open source projects that are well managed.  But when more money gets involved, it becomes that much harder.  So pray, that btc does not rise in price too fast ...