Topic: ★ BQT & IOU - Bounty reward distribution issue has been solved ★ - page 4. (Read 1738 times)

I don't know how much exactly are the bounty hunters owed but their bumping service has been paid/renewed as of 27th this month after having a three-week pause. Both announcement threads (BQT and IOU) have around and over 100 pages x20, that's 2000 give or take fake comments each (more than 95%).

That's the first reply after the short break:


From $1.26 on 29th July to $0.09 (as of today). 

All our doubt will be clear after getting proper explanation from team. As you have seen that xtraelv have already sent an email to team and we should wait until we get their reply.

No way to deny with your thinking about their unprofessional behavior. My only intention was to let others know what actually happens with this two projects campaign participants and i think its visible to everyone now. Hope to find a proper solution for this issue through this thread.

I am not sure that bounty manager should be blamed because bounty participants are not paid 11 months after they were promised to get they rewards. There is only a possibility that team BQT&IOU give zapo this task (to pay users), and he is take tokens and disappeared, although it is unlikely option. Signature campaign is paid in full and on time, though it was abruptly interrupted before end.

I can only say that professionals do not behave this way, and if this thread is not started they would never provided any explanation. Maybe you can make a suggestion to their CEO to come to this forum and explain some things?

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Does anyone have at least an approximate amount of money they need to pay to bounty participants?

I'm currently not home much so a bit slow with the responses. I sent a message to Edward for some clarification but it saved as a draft rather than get sent. (I didn't notice earlier) I re-sent it yesterday so he has not yet had much time to respond.

I know from my previous dealings with them that they are not much on bitcointalk and entrusted their dealing on bitcointalk to a community manager. I found them to be transparent and easy to deal with when I dealt with them when the initial accusations were made towards BQT and IOU

The community manager has not been online since May.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zapo-2015835

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I haven't paid much attention to BQT or IOU since the last issues so I am still getting familiar with the issues surrounding the signature bounty campaign.

I notice that Zapos second to last post was in October. (Last post about BQT)


http://archive.fo/DH7x2

Interestingly they will try to resolve the situation after you contact them, what they have done so far, hoped that no one will ask where is our hard earned money? I am particularly interested in this case because I promoted them in signature campaign, so some of people who are not get pay for bounty are probably participate via my signature.

Any new information is welcome.

With the earlier accusation I spoke to the CEO (Edward) of BQT who was listed as an adviser on the IOU team - they appeared quite genuine.  I'll send him an email and ask for a response.

There may be a genuine reason.

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The CEO Edward Mandel has responded back to me and discussed the situation. At this stage I don't have much to report back other than they are looking at resolving it.

A case like this happens so often, so I suspect those participants probably already forget it and move on as their concern won't bring anything to the project they promoted. Unification can get free from this, or any other project that in the end don't pay and delete all concern posted on their Telegram group. Unless some ICO or crypto review channel on Telegram starts posting shit about them, they just don't care.

It's a pity. Maybe hunters should stop doing their work or at least they should demand payment upfront before they join any bounty or scammer will continue using them.

Bounty participants are on a rare situation from where they are still expecting their rewards and that's why they are silent. At least we can't. I think it will not be a wise thing to  take this issue just as a topic of debate. Its a matter of entire forum's fame now. If we forget this issue easily and let them flee away then its going to rise so many questions. I wish you got my point mate. Scammer is always scammer. It doesn't matter what he did in the past.

I agree that participating bounty campaign is totally depend on hunters. But when someone got scammed in front of our eyes then i think its not a waste of time to reveal scammers face.

Completely agree with you. We can't let them do their fraudulent activities again.

It is not true that nothing can be done, we have on this forum their photos and names, and user xtraelv is have some extra info about their teams. They should be publicly marked as scammers, so they don't get a chance to cheat on someone in the future.

They probably think in a way that crypto users are just fools that can be used and discarded when they are no longer needed. If you just say that nothing can be / should done, they and others like them will do it again.

The money earned by others is spent this way, and for me, this is a complete fraud that should end in a lawsuit.

You know though, there's nothing that much we can do to change the situation. I have been following this accusation and if what you said above (about alerting affected users) is correct and yet none have showed any concerns them we're only wasting our time here. The bounty participants seem not show any concerns so what's the need of debating on the issue.

From the evidence you have highlighted it's very clear the project has broken a contract with the bounty participants they hired and haven't paid. It's left for an affected hunter to create a flag and we support to make it active, that's the best case scenario and nothing more to investigate unless we want to debate about the manager getting flaged/tagged too.

Apparently.  I'm not familiar with this bounty and was surprised when I saw Zapo's name here, because I thought he'd disappeared after all the controversy.  Last I heard from him was when he was admitting that Zapo=aTriz and apologizing and promising to repay some folks.  What I'm not surprised about is that he's embroiled in another scam drama, though I was hoping he wouldn't turn out to be a scammer.

I was in a few of aTriz's campaigns, and he was always a solid campaign manager.  He always paid on time and in full, and I never got the impression that he'd do anything like this--that is, until the evidence came along that he was being less than honest.  It's too bad, because I actually always liked aTriz.  But I've always suspected that the person I was dealing with either sold his account or let someone else have access to it.

I was in one of their signature campaign, if i remember correctly the campaign was abruptly stopped a few weeks before it had to end. Fortunately there was no problem with payments, but as we can see, this was not the case with their bounty campaign.

I think only way to get answer why bounty participants have not been paid so far is to contact someone from the team of BQT&IOU, and we have some details about them here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4931035 (also posted by Baofeng).


So we have user who have all info about teams, probably some info he did not publish before - maybe is now time that he publish everything, or at least their e-mails.

Expecting our community members attention for a proper solution about this rising issue. Personally i think its not a simple issue to take quick decision without investigate the whole matter.  After feeling its importance i feel it necessary to move this thread here.

I believe our experienced forum members will find a proper solution for this issue which will encourage worldwide crypto projects to continue hassle free bounty campaign on bitcointalk.

I have already notified both of these projects bounty participants about this scam accusation and hope they will join the discussion here. I think they have their rights to share their self opinion to find a better solution on this rising issue.

Yeah i am kinda agree with you but there always should be a limited timeline otherwise how much time we will wait for tagging or opening flag against them.

Understandable one of the users affected (in the person of @tvplus006, have indicated interest not to flag the manager therefore there isn't much we can do as we weren't affected directly. So unless another user comes in to give a different point of view then we can engage on the debate of whether to support, ignore or oppose the flag.

For now I suggest, just the projects accounts on forum should be tagged (given negative feedback) as they're the ones refusing to pay the bounty participants.

You know though, this medicine after death practice the forum is using (tag after scam has already been committed) isn't actually solving the problem, as most time the hunters don't still get paid. We need new effective solutions.

Bounty manager was last active on his account 3 month ago and yesterday he was active on his alt account. Interesting thing is that he is trying to stay away from the account by which bounty ANN was done. Isn't it a cheap trick to ignore bounty participants ? Its pretty much clear that we are unable to contact with team or bounty manager zapo.  After seeing this situation i have a question and that is;

What will be the proper action to solve this issue ?

Tagging bounty manager or opening flag.

Thanks for sharing your story here. At least now we will be able to find a solution for this issue. I hope our forum experienced members will take part on this thread to find a proper solution.

The table shows the amount of 2536.8 BQTX and 420 IOUX for the bounty on Twitter and Facebook. Which I have not received.  According to coinmarketcap on August 8, this amount is $ 315 per BQTX campaign and $129 per IOUX. The total amount is $ 444. Here we see type of flag 3 - "This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages." But I see no reason to do this in relation to the Bounty manager. The manager does not distribute the token. The manager did his job - counted the tables. This should be done by the project team. And I do not see a representative of the team of these projects on the forum.

Seems aTriz was active yesterday. I have sent him PM to respond on this thread. I am not aware if there is any account from BQT & IOU. So I can't see any other way to contact with team on this forum. Perhaps someone could try to contact on telegram. Since manager active he should be reply on this thread.

Honestly I feel it necessary to expose this matter because bicointalk have enough fame throughout the whole crypto universe. Its because of its larger community members and their helpful activity. But if forum's community members don't get enough value from this kinda ICO projects owner or team then obviously its a bad luck for us. Those guys are raising millions of dollar($) by using this community and in return what we are getting.

In one words i can say that some of these ICO projects are giving so much priority to exchanges, review websites, social medias rather than bitcointalk and its community. They are ready make larger payments to others but when it times for bitcointalk they are really unprofessional. They are continuously doing this because they are getting all project related service for almost free from this forum. Just purchase the copper membership and make ANN,,,,that's all. In few cases they are hiring experienced community members as their project bounty manager. Are they enough?

Managers are providing their services and they obviously deserve their payment for their hard work. But can anyone tell me the exact percentage % how many ICOs are taking the service from managers. Most of these projects are making their ANN by using new born accounts and i believe its working as an encouragement for ICO scammers.

Its totally unfair in my opinion and we should find a better way to reduce scam attempts here.   

Got it, i understood all you just said and I won't be happy too if payment gets postpone for a campaign I participated in although this campaigns have a shady way of getting away with most of their tricks to delay payment most common is the use of their T&C that indicate "They reserve the right to make amends to the bounty rules whenever they feel like". In cases like this there isn't much a hunter can do.

Since you're familiar with the project and it's bounty participants, hope you don't mind pointing them to this thread to give us a clear picture of what's actually going on then the affected users can create a type 2/3 flag for we to support.