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Quote from: BinaryMage on May 10, 2012, 01:49:43 AM

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 01:39:42 AM

Good, to set the record one last time. Dont bother to apologize next time when you pull this.

Now as for the "disagreement", i dont have to explicitly say how many bitcoin botnets there are. Anyone who agrees bitcoin botnets are the cause of this difficulty increase could easily estimate how many bitcoin botnets required. You're just too busy teaching English to someone on the internet to see it.

Assuming at least a GH per botnet, a "hundred thousand botnets" would equate to 100 TH, about 7 times the current speed of the entire network.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm wrong. It might mean I simply did the math. Wink

You sure did your math,.................. as well as how you did your reading

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I know ppl throw botnets around alot on the forum, but is there any actually proof? anyone bother did forensic search?

I cant imagine all the botnets happend to have GPUs (high end ones), last time i look CPU mining is utterly low .

Yes 1 GH/s per botnet is a rational way to debate this.

I'm done. I cant argue with you there. You can sleep now,

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Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 01:39:42 AM

Good, to set the record one last time. Dont bother to apologize next time when you pull this.

Now as for the "disagreement", i dont have to explicitly say how many bitcoin botnets there are. Anyone who agrees bitcoin botnets are the cause of this difficulty increase could easily estimate how many bitcoin botnets required. You're just too busy teaching English to someone on the internet to see it.

Assuming at least a GH per botnet, a "hundred thousand botnets" would equate to 100 TH, about 7 times the current speed of the entire network.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm wrong. It might mean I simply did the math. Wink

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Quote from: BinaryMage on May 10, 2012, 01:26:50 AM

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:55:53 AM

So was my poor English.... You knew it , understood it. I love now you talk about how things are not relevant.

I dont think i misquote you. My logical thinking tells me if you're disputing my claim, then you're implying otherwise. Dont play political talk. I guess you can say " i never said such thing".. Roll Eyes

I was not insulting your English, I was trying to help you. Of course it is irrelevant, it wasn't intended to be relevant.

As for misquoting me, I invite you to find where I said anything about "hundreds of thousands" of Bitcoin botnets, or where you stated that there were not "hundreds of thousands" of Bitcoin botnets and I disagreed with you.

But this is beside the point. I disagreed with your claim and I'm glad to debate it. I don't wish to spend my time arguing over what I did and didn't say. You can insult me, accuse me, and compare me with politicians all you want. If you consider me an idiot and interpret all of what I say according to that, nothing I could do or say will change that, ergo continuing this discussion is pointless for both of us.

Good, to set the record one last time. Dont bother to apologize next time when you pull this.

Now as for the "disagreement", i dont have to explicitly say how many bitcoin botnets there are. Anyone who agrees bitcoin botnets are the cause of this difficulty increase could easily estimate how many bitcoin botnets required. You're just too busy teaching English to someone on the internet to see it.

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Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:55:53 AM

So was my poor English.... You knew it , understood it. I love now you talk about how things are not relevant.

I dont think i misquote you. My logical thinking tells me if you're disputing my claim, then you're implying otherwise. Dont play political talk. I guess you can say " i never said such thing".. Roll Eyes

I was not insulting your English, I was trying to help you. Of course it is irrelevant, it wasn't intended to be relevant.

As for misquoting me, I invite you to find where I said anything about "hundreds of thousands" of Bitcoin botnets, or where you stated that there were not "hundreds of thousands" of Bitcoin botnets and I disagreed with you.

But this is beside the point. I disagreed with your claim and I'm glad to debate it. I don't wish to spend my time arguing over what I did and didn't say. You can insult me, accuse me, and compare me with politicians all you want. If you consider me an idiot and interpret all of what I say according to that, nothing I could do or say will change that, ergo continuing this discussion is pointless for both of us.

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Quote from: BinaryMage on May 10, 2012, 12:44:06 AM

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

bullshiet, your intention of correcting my grammar was clear : to belittle someone in an argument. What you've done so far was to show English isnt my mother tongue. Jackass.

I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I insulting your language. Call me whatever you want, I'm trying to help you here. I understand I come off as a total jerk, making grammar suggestions in long, complicated, extremely polite sentences just takes too long. Apologies for any offense caused.

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

Requesting more details of a claim somehow turns into "being quite the expert" ? Or was that your ill brain to pick on someone?

I love the " without ill intent" part.

Maybe English is native to you, but frankly your brain isnt as wonderful as you hoped it to be. Botnets always exist because the nature of the term. But saying the hashrate increase is due to botnets is what i'm troubling to see. My post clearly hinted why? CPU mining isnt fast. You're suspecting there are hundreds thousands of bitcoin botnets.

With no ill intent, you must have a sad live.

That was rude and unnecessary, I apologize.

I'm glad you appreciate my meager attempt to be polite. Obviously I needed to up the ante a bit.

I'm not sure how the discussion turned to my brain, but I agree, I certainly wish I had an eidetic memory, which alas I do not. And I don't see where I stated anything about "hundreds of thousands" of Bitcoin botnets. By all means please argue with me, but I'd prefer you don't misquote me.

My brain, then my life. You switch topics rather quickly. I find my life rather enjoyable, but you can consider it whatever you want to. That's not really relevant, though.

So was my poor English.... You knew it , understood it. I love now you talk about how things are not relevant.

I dont think i misquote you. My logical thinking tells me if you're disputing my claim, then you're implying otherwise. Dont play political talk. I guess you can say " i never said such thing".. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

bullshiet, your intention of correcting my grammar was clear : to belittle someone in an argument. What you've done so far was to show English isnt my mother tongue. Jackass.

I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I insulting your language. Call me whatever you want, I'm trying to help you here. I understand I come off as a total jerk, making grammar suggestions in long, complicated, extremely polite sentences just takes too long. Apologies for any offense caused.

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

Requesting more details of a claim somehow turns into "being quite the expert" ? Or was that your ill brain to pick on someone?

I love the " without ill intent" part.

Maybe English is native to you, but frankly your brain isnt as wonderful as you hoped it to be. Botnets always exist because the nature of the term. But saying the hashrate increase is due to botnets is what i'm troubling to see. My post clearly hinted why? CPU mining isnt fast. You're suspecting there are hundreds thousands of bitcoin botnets.

With no ill intent, you must have a sad live.

That was rude and unnecessary, I apologize.

I'm glad you appreciate my meager attempt to be polite. Obviously I needed to up the ante a bit.

I'm not sure how the discussion turned to my brain, but I agree, I certainly wish I had an eidetic memory, which alas I do not. And I don't see where I stated anything about "hundreds of thousands" of Bitcoin botnets. By all means please argue with me, but I'd prefer you don't misquote me.

My brain, then my life. You switch topics rather quickly. I find my life rather enjoyable, but you can consider it whatever you want to. That's not really relevant, though.

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Quote from: BinaryMage on May 10, 2012, 12:24:12 AM

What am I disputing, not what's I disputing, and "police" is plural, not singular. Correcting your grammar may not endear me to you, but it will help your English grade.

bullshiet, your intention of correcting my grammar was clear : to belittle someone in an argument. What you've done so far was to show English isnt my mother tongue. Jackass.

Quote from: BinaryMage on May 10, 2012, 12:24:12 AM

Doing a "forensic search", since it seems to be something you're quite the expert on, is not a trivial task, nor is it without risk. Even assuming someone wished to conduct such a search, the existence of a botnet is not necessarily easy to prove. I do not agree with many of the threads you term FUD in these forums, but some of them are based off information indicating a likely botnet. If a botnet got to the point where one could consider it's existence "proved" without a reasonable doubt, chances are we would be inable to do anything about it. Proactive concern is not always productive, but it's far better than the alternative.

Requesting more details of a claim somehow turns into "being quite the expert" ? Or was that your ill brain to pick on someone?

I love the " without ill intent" part.

Maybe English is native to you, but frankly your brain isnt as wonderful as you hoped it to be. Botnets always exist because the nature of the term. But saying the hashrate increase is due to botnets is what i'm troubling to see. My post clearly hinted why? CPU mining isnt fast. You're suspecting there are hundreds thousands of bitcoin botnets.

With no ill intent, you must have a sad life.

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Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:10:41 AM

So whats your disputing?
Being a grammar police doesnt help jack.

so let me ask, do you have any idea of what you're talking about?

What am I disputing, not what's I disputing, and "police" is plural, not singular. Correcting your grammar may not endear me to you, but it will help your English grade.

I am disputing the claim you made in the post I quoted:

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 09, 2012, 10:35:29 PM

I know ppl throw botnets around alot on the forum, but is there any actually proof? anyone bother did forensic search?

I cant imagine all the botnets happend to have GPUs (high end ones), last time i look CPU mining is utterly low .

Doing a "forensic search", since it seems to be something you're quite the expert on, is not a trivial task, nor is it without risk. Even assuming someone wished to conduct such a search, the existence of a botnet is not necessarily easy to prove. I do not agree with many of the threads you term FUD in these forums, but some of them are based off information indicating a likely botnet. If a botnet got to the point where one could consider it's existence "proved" without a reasonable doubt, chances are we would be inable to do anything about it. Proactive concern is not always productive, but it's far better than the alternative.

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Quote from: BinaryMage on May 10, 2012, 12:08:50 AM

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:03:26 AM

I obviously meant digital forensic investigation.

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Network forensics is a sub-branch of digital forensics relating to the monitoring and analysis of computer network traffic for the purposes of information gathering, legal evidence, or intrusion detection.[1] Unlike other areas of digital forensics, network investigations deal with volatile and dynamic information. Network traffic is transmitted and then lost, so network forensics is often a pro-active investigation.[2]

Maybe this is why this forum is full of FUDs.

We're not disputing the meaning of the term, the last time I checked. And FUD is not a singular noun, you don't add an s. Wink

So whats your disputing?
Being a grammar police doesnt help jack.

so let me ask, do you have any idea of what you're talking about?

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Quote from: seriouscoin on May 10, 2012, 12:03:26 AM

I obviously meant digital forensic investigation.

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Network forensics is a sub-branch of digital forensics relating to the monitoring and analysis of computer network traffic for the purposes of information gathering, legal evidence, or intrusion detection.[1] Unlike other areas of digital forensics, network investigations deal with volatile and dynamic information. Network traffic is transmitted and then lost, so network forensics is often a pro-active investigation.[2]

Maybe this is why this forum is full of FUDs.

We're not disputing the meaning of the term, the last time I checked. And FUD is not a singular noun, you don't add an s. Wink

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Quote from: payb.tc on May 09, 2012, 11:59:17 PM

Quote from: dropt on May 09, 2012, 11:53:15 PM

Quote from: BinaryMage on May 09, 2012, 11:43:23 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 09, 2012, 10:35:29 PM

Quote from: grue on May 09, 2012, 07:56:28 PM

Quote from: vampire on May 09, 2012, 07:08:08 AM

I wonder if bitsingles are responsible for it...

nope, just botnets.

I know ppl throw botnets around alot on the forum, but is there any actually proof? anyone bother did forensic search?

I cant imagine all the botnets happend to have GPUs (high end ones), last time i look CPU mining is utterly low .

Did anyone do a "forensic search"? With no ill intent, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

He/She may be ESL?

you mean someone with Extra Special Linguistics?

dont let me DDOS you man.
I'm deep in street, i DDOS for fun yo!

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Quote from: BinaryMage on May 09, 2012, 11:43:23 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 09, 2012, 10:35:29 PM

Quote from: grue on May 09, 2012, 07:56:28 PM

Quote from: vampire on May 09, 2012, 07:08:08 AM

I wonder if bitsingles are responsible for it...

nope, just botnets.

I know ppl throw botnets around alot on the forum, but is there any actually proof? anyone bother did forensic search?

I cant imagine all the botnets happend to have GPUs (high end ones), last time i look CPU mining is utterly low .

Did anyone do a "forensic search"? With no ill intent, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

I obviously meant digital forensic investigation.

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Network forensics is a sub-branch of digital forensics relating to the monitoring and analysis of computer network traffic for the purposes of information gathering, legal evidence, or intrusion detection.[1] Unlike other areas of digital forensics, network investigations deal with volatile and dynamic information. Network traffic is transmitted and then lost, so network forensics is often a pro-active investigation.[2]

Maybe this is why this forum is full of FUDs.

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Quote from: dropt on May 09, 2012, 11:53:15 PM

Quote from: BinaryMage on May 09, 2012, 11:43:23 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 09, 2012, 10:35:29 PM

Quote from: grue on May 09, 2012, 07:56:28 PM

Quote from: vampire on May 09, 2012, 07:08:08 AM

I wonder if bitsingles are responsible for it...

nope, just botnets.

I know ppl throw botnets around alot on the forum, but is there any actually proof? anyone bother did forensic search?

I cant imagine all the botnets happend to have GPUs (high end ones), last time i look CPU mining is utterly low .

Did anyone do a "forensic search"? With no ill intent, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

He/She may be ESL?

you mean someone with Extra Special Linguistics?

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Quote from: BinaryMage on May 09, 2012, 11:43:23 PM

Quote from: seriouscoin on May 09, 2012, 10:35:29 PM

Quote from: grue on May 09, 2012, 07:56:28 PM

Quote from: vampire on May 09, 2012, 07:08:08 AM

I wonder if bitsingles are responsible for it...

nope, just botnets.

I know ppl throw botnets around alot on the forum, but is there any actually proof? anyone bother did forensic search?

I cant imagine all the botnets happend to have GPUs (high end ones), last time i look CPU mining is utterly low .

Did anyone do a "forensic search"? With no ill intent, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

He/She may be ESL?

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Quote from: seriouscoin on May 09, 2012, 10:35:29 PM

Quote from: grue on May 09, 2012, 07:56:28 PM

Quote from: vampire on May 09, 2012, 07:08:08 AM

I wonder if bitsingles are responsible for it...

nope, just botnets.

I know ppl throw botnets around alot on the forum, but is there any actually proof? anyone bother did forensic search?

I cant imagine all the botnets happend to have GPUs (high end ones), last time i look CPU mining is utterly low .

Did anyone do a "forensic search"? With no ill intent, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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Quote from: grue on May 09, 2012, 07:56:28 PM

Quote from: vampire on May 09, 2012, 07:08:08 AM

I wonder if bitsingles are responsible for it...

nope, just botnets.

I know ppl throw botnets around alot on the forum, but is there any actually proof? anyone bother did forensic search?

I cant imagine all the botnets happend to have GPUs (high end ones), last time i look CPU mining is utterly low .

grue

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Quote from: vampire on May 09, 2012, 07:08:08 AM

I wonder if bitsingles are responsible for it...

nope, just botnets.

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Quote from: Fuzzy on May 09, 2012, 07:20:04 AM

Quote from: payb.tc on May 09, 2012, 07:11:13 AM

it's official...

1,733,208

And if you've seen the BFL waiting list, you know its gonna get much higher, very quickly.

And if you've seen the BFL WAITING list, you know it's gonna get much higher, very slooooowly*.

*Fixed

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Quote from: SgtSpike on May 09, 2012, 04:17:03 PM

Why shouldn't you be mining if > 60% of your gross revenue is electricity? As long as < 100% of your gross revenue is electricity, it still makes sense to mine in my book...

Well if you consider your time, equipment and risk worth nothing then mine until your non-electrical margins are <1%.

I value my time and I know my existing hardware has value. If someone with cheaper electricity can unlock more value from that hardware the optimum solution would be to sell the hardware to them right?

Ok, fair enough. Wink

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Quote from: SgtSpike on May 09, 2012, 04:17:03 PM

Why shouldn't you be mining if > 60% of your gross revenue is electricity? As long as < 100% of your gross revenue is electricity, it still makes sense to mine in my book...

Well if you consider your time, equipment and risk worth nothing then mine until your non-electrical margins are <1%.

I value my time and I know my existing hardware has value. If someone with cheaper electricity can unlock more value from that hardware the optimum solution would be to sell the hardware to them right?

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