Topic: Brand new / Newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to post links early on (Read 369 times)

My intention was not to create a newbie jail, but most people aren't getting the point.

Nonetheless, thank you, everyone, for your opinions and thoughts on the subject.

I'm locking the thread.

But it would count as doing newbie jail all over again and @theymos already had something to say to this, probably the best thing that would be done in this situation is for everyone to remain vigilant and never to carelessly click on links, that's the only thing that we can do in this kind of situation if I'm being honest, if you're putting your guard up when you're dealing with strangers on the Internet, then you're probably doing something wrong and you need to relearn the netiquette.

I'm constantly trying to figure out how cognitively sound Theymos was, to have realized that out of the worst places, good things could come. Every damn person had been in that position; so tell me, how you gonna feel if anyone listed you among the new-era newbies that don't seem to add any value to the community?

No restrictions! The ones we've got is enough already... Let 'em spread their tentacles and do more, they could override most of us even as older members. As for the ones that go around posting links and stuffs, a proper use of "report to moderator" button could save the day.

I am against this and I think this rule change could hurt genuine users who just registered in forum and wanted to post link for their project or service.
Sure it could prevent few spammers temporary but this won't stop them to post that same link tomorrow, and genuine user won't bother with that.
It's more than enough restrictions for newbies with evil fees and no images.  

I disagree with this because it will not be good. If this is the case, many people will have left the forum. Forums are an open space for everyone. If we don't welcome them now, they won't be here; they will be forced to leave, I don't think. Congratulate and welcome them and show them the way forward. We will help newbies learn about the forum and give them a chance to learn.

Not all posts where someone asks for help need to have links. You can ask for help without it. But it can also easily be bypassed. if I am not allowed to post "bitcointalk.org", I can write it as "bitcointalk .org" and it won't be recognized as a link. Also, instead of posting a link to a wallet for example, you could ask someone to help you and post that link.

For example, what is the official website of Electrum?

Still, I don't want to see such restrictions for newbies.

Every rank member should be treated equally, and same open platform, I believe there are room for report, spam or any trust issue concerning any member, that medium can be used and not suffer everyone because of the mistakes of one person. It up to any reasonable member wether to click the link, fall prey for it or not, I believe it was an idea shared at the first instance. Such Restriction or Jail for newbies/certain member rank is unnecessary in a Public Forum like this.

With this, you could simply just restrict the whole member group as 24 hours logged time is simply too much, for example, in my case if I look at my time counted it's the equivalent of close to 9 days...


In the last updated scam accusations:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ongoing-impersonation-scam-alert-5497949
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bcgame-12k-usdt-locked-no-informations-5498732
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-has-permanently-closed-my-account-with-17-000-usd-in-it-5497907
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportbetone-its-pure-scam-5497855

If you're familiar with the scam section you would know that the image restriction is far worse there as a simple hyperlink restriction can be bypassed by simply adding space but the ability to post images/screenshots is far more important when asking for help or providing proofs.

Again, I'm against this but let's not make it look like it's something crucial!

If newbies are not allowed to post, how will they leave a link in their posts for asking help?

If forum censors link from newbies in posts and in bbcode blocks too, they will have difficulty in asking help like confirming one website is legit or is phishing site. Only a link can provide information for newbies to ask.

There will be scammers use newbie accounts to post phishing links too but they are not reasons why all newbies can not post links. We can not assume all newbies are criminals and restrict them with posting links.

Okay, fair enough.

The actual point is, that I'm not against newbies, never was, and I want this forum to have more and more users who are genuine and loyal to the forum, I want this forum to become as popular as possible like everyone else. The only thing I'm against is the fact that some people misuse the "freedom" they get in here, that's it.

the "learning and asking questions" has something to do with it because there are newbies who ask questions and include links to put more context on what they are asking. if you restrict them from posting links it could make it harder for them to put more context on the question they want to ask.

I thought you didn't get it because you mentioned learning and asking questions when the restriction has nothing to do with that. A newbie would still be able to make posts normally and ask questions the way they can do right now even if a restriction like that is imposed.

Implementing this restriction could reduce spam while still fostering a welcoming environment for new users. It encourages genuine participation and ensures that link sharing is more likely to come from users who have invested time in understanding the forum and the community.

Pros: A time-based restriction on link posting for new users could reduce some of the drive-by spam we see. It would also encourage genuine newbies to stick around and participate before promoting anything.
Cons: As others mentioned, a simple time limit might be easy for determined spammers to work around. Also, we want to be welcoming to new users who might have a legitimate question with a link.

I know you are talking about links, I even highlighted the part where you mentioned that the 24-hour restriction you are talking about is restricting newbies from posting links. so I am not sure why you think I didn't get it.

also, your reply to stompix just made the restriction you want to put on newbies much worse.

I agree a hundred percent with dzungmobile why the heck should newbies be restricted from posting links? The forum is an open and free space and if you feel worried about some newbies that spam with links why don't you take the personal duty of reporting them?
Infact if there were no spam posts to be nuked, of low quality posts to be deleted of what importance will the moderators be? . As far as I am concerned as well as there are newbies that spam and scam so there are also those genuinely here to learn and also express themselves via discussions.
Newbies have been restricted from posting images, using avatars and signature and I believe it's quite ok.

Thanks for sharing it with us as I did not know about it before. I am glad that Admin is concerned about the longevity of this forum haha I mean he did ban the marketing of obfuscation platforms which has reduced the number of active users drastically but with time it will increase. We should not impose strict rules on Newbies only and we should treat the forum equally.

If you want some rule to be imposed then ask admin to imply it on everyone not just on newbies. I mean admin's concerns are really appreicatble. If we will disheart or discourage or impose strict rules on newbies then how would they come to like this platform. Most of the ranked member are already replying to newbie like they (newbies) own them something and did not returned it from a long time. Means they don't give them much respect. Not everyone do it but most I saw they roast them for no reason.

I oppose this. It will cause new platforms and hobbyists to leave Bitcointalk because they can't post links and may not want to buy a copper membership.

That's the point. If a website, project, or service wants to advertise themselves in the forum, they should do it the right way by creating their ANN and properly announcing it for everyone to see and use if they want. What these newbie accounts do is surely not the right way to do it.


They are handled, we have seen such things happening in the past where multiple accounts are created to shill a single project in a specific section, I started a topic regarding the issue previously.


Well, I believe the loan issue isn't that big because a newbie with valid collateral can still get a loan, but this is a different thing altogether.


You probably didn't get it. The restriction wouldn't restrict newbies from asking questions or creating topics or making posts, it should only restrict them from posting links.


The 24-hour restriction isn't just 24 hours after the registration time, I'm talking about "Total time logged in" here, which means that they will need to spend at least 24 hours in total in the forum to be able to post links. So if a newbie spends 4 hours a day surfing the forum, they should be able to get through the restriction in 6 days.


As I mentioned in the OP, this isn't to restrict newbies who join the forum with a good purpose because I'm not suggesting a restriction that would stop newbies from making posts or asking questions or learn things around here, the restriction is only for those who create accounts, start a topic, and write some bullshit with a link to promote a service or something, it will only stop them from posting links and it shouldn't affect normal newbies.

Can we assume for one man's transgressions as being applicable for others to also share in the consequences, not all newbies are shit posters, spammers or scammers, we can't just act blantly in such direction and take assumptions on that, I've seen a lot of newbies coming here with various opportunities and some are even taking more efforts in purchasing copper membership rank in other for them to be able to unleashed opportunities they brought in to this platform, but in case you detect any for abuse, make report to the moderators.

From the post of the forum's administrator, restricting the freedom of newbies will affect the community negatively. It is assumed that reducing the privileges of these newcomers can make them feel unwelcomed, which might make them leave the forum. I have also seen some posts by newbies that are just targeted at promoting some worthless services. For now, nothing can be done than to report to the moderator. I also assume that they can be given more severe punishment if they continue with this unethical behavior.

How is this going to stop them?
They will just create the account, wait for 24 hours make the post and be done with, it might deter your lonely manual copy-paste spammer that just wants to post as many ref links on as many websites as possible but it won't do much if some service really wants to spam the forum!
As soon as they learn that there is 24h delay they will adapt accordingly!


Newbie jail has nothing to do with this, newbies still can't post images so what's the difference in restrictions?

It's straightforward probably because it's AI-generated. 3 out of 6 of the AI detectors on @nutildah's "AI report report" thread confirms it. I've already reported the post to the moderator, hopefully, it gets taken down soon if truly confirmed to be AI-generated.

doesn't anyone think Megan is a hired spammer from Fiverr and not really a newbie who wanted to learn?
i'm having doubts this sisi is not a sister. he is not coming back to reply to his thread for he already achieved what he is here for. when another contract is signed that will pay him per link, he will create another account with the name Zendaya once again.  

anyway, one link is not gonna help winwinbet.app but if several newbies come and post the same link and then disappear again. that's really something.

even if it is just a 24-hour restriction it could still deter newbies who actually like to learn or have questions, bitcointalk isn't the only platform where people talk about Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies. I know the things that you mentioned can be annoying but if the forum wants to attract new people it shouldn't restrict them so much.

The problem is how do you quantify which products or services is a legit one, we have seen accounts here who aren’t newbies promotes scam services or projects too. Although a restriction like this will reduce it but scammers will be scammers they will still wait to the certain time frame you suggested to be added before they do their deed. I definitely agree with no too much restrictions on newbies as others have stated. My own input is cases like that brought by Oshosondy shouldn’t be left untreated by the admins/mods.

Scams aren’t regulated here, last I check so we all should just be careful on clicking any links

Yes it is very annoying. But I noticed on this forum that even after they restricted newbies to some level, they still permit them to have freedom to post what they want. Also I noticed somethings that has been said for newbies to be restricted, the admin are not doing anything. You can see many newbies with loan request on the lending board. People have reported it that newbies should not be allowed to post there but nothing done till now. We should just leave some things as they are.

I don't like the idea of adding new restrictions to newbies besides the ones the forum already has. If we want new people to come here, they shouldn't be treated like potential fraudsters and made to jump through hoops to be able to use the forum like the rest of us.

Advertising a site on the forum isn't against the rules if done right. But that advertisement might perhaps break other rules and be the reason why such posts could be deleted. If it's spam, off-topic, or advertisement in threads created by other users, you can report it as such and the mods will probably delete it.

I am not sure what the moderators do in situations where, for example, you gather proof of 10 brand-new accounts promoting and sharing the same links with some bullshit story as reason why they do it. Would those be deleted or are the reports left unhandled?

I know that, but isn't his theory about genuine newbie users who join the forum intending to learn, grow, and stay?


That's what annoys me. I know that it might not be a huge problem, but I just thought maybe this could be reduced so that only genuine and legit services are promoted because projects and services that use such promotional methods can barely be genuine or legit.

This is not a bad idea if the problem has become recurring enough and involves a large amount of the newbies who register on the forum. As it is, this is not a crisis situation as yet, mods are able to manage properly the handful of spammers who come online to share their links, there's no need at the moment to make major changes to the rules.

This user is looking for ways to let people know his site that consists of casinos sites. But I do not know if it is legit or not legit but I have a good example for you which is this

Why not temporary ban coinmapai199264?

This user has more than 10 to 20 alts on this forum. He will leave and come back again. After he rested for like a week or two, he came back posting the malware file for people to download and he came again and again with multiple accounts all the time.

But if you see anything inappropriate, it is better to click on report to moderator and report instead. Moderators will review your reports and act on it.

No more newbie jail so if you see something bad from newbie posters, report it.

Read theymos' vision on newbies. They are welcome here and there are spaces for them to enjoy. They can be given time and chance to correct mistakes but if they don't change, ban hammer will drop on their accounts.

We often see users creating accounts, more than one in most cases, and using them to advertise a certain platform, project, or app by starting new topics in different sections of the forum. What they do is make it sound like they are asking a genuine question or they are concerned about something or maybe doing some research about it, but it can be seen that they have no other intention but to promote what they are mentioning.

The most recent example that I've come across is this:


Although this one is quite straightforward, you can often find users trying to twist it and make it a question and try to be genuinely concerned and ask for help from the community which we know isn't the case.
The users who do this are usually not found after, meaning they create an account, make the post with the link, disappear, and then do it with a new account later.

So, since this is mostly, almost 99% of the time, done using new accounts, I'm proposing that we do something that might prevent this from happening.

What we can do is to have a requirement after creating a new account for users to be able to post links, which means that if someone creates a new account, they shouldn't be able to post links unless they spend a specific amount of time in the forum like 24 hours or something. So if someone joins the forum being interested in the forum itself and plans to stay, they should be okay because they will have the requirement completed within a few days, and those who are doing these things won't be able to post links to promote specific services.

The only exception should be for users buying Copper membership, which means that if someone buys Copper membership, they should be exempted from this requirement and be able to post links immediately.

Let me know what you guys think about this and whether this can be useful or not.

P.S: I got the idea from a post that I read and I want to give credit to the poster for the idea: