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Topic: BREAKING: SEC Charges pirateat40 With Running Bitcoin-Denominated Ponzi Scheme - page 8. (Read 44440 times)

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LOLZ Pirate is more stupid then I thought.

From the above complaint.

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III. SHAVERS’ ADMISSIONS
In an October 3, 2012 interview with Commission staff, Shavers admitted, among other
things, that:
Case 4:13-cv-00416-RC-ALM Document 3 Filed 07/23/13 Page 6 of 18 PageID #: 22SEC v. Trendon T. Shavers, et al. 6
Plaintiff’s Emergency Motion for Order to Show Cause, Asset Freeze and Other Ancillary Relief
a. His Internet name was pirateat40; he posted the November 3, 2011 BTCST
solicitation on the Bitcoin Forum; all other statements attributable to
pirateat40 on the Bitcoin Forum were his own; and he, alone, was responsible
for creating and operating BTCST (Id. at ¶ 27);
b. He sold BTCST investments to 446 investors, but claimed that he produced
documents to staff for only 46 BTCST investor accounts because all records
for closed accounts had been deleted (Id.);
c. He used new BTCST investor BTC to pay the promised returns on
outstanding BTCST investments (Id.);
d. He comingled BTCST investor BTC with his personal BTC and BTC received
from customers of GPUMAX Technologies, LLC (“GPUMAX’), a BTC
mining company he co-founded with friends (Id.);1
e. He made preferential redemptions to friends and longtime BTCST investors,
in August 2012, as he closed BTCST (Id.); and

f. He was still in possession, at the time of the interview, of approximately
100,000 BTC (Id.).

In the same interview, Shavers claimed to generate BTCST investor returns by lending
BTCST investor BTC to anonymous borrowers he met online who wanted enough BTC to
manipulate or control the price of BTC on Mt. Gox, the leading BTC currency exchange
(headquartered in Tokyo, Japan), and other BTC currency exchanges. (Id. at ¶ 28.) Shavers
claimed these anonymous borrowers paid him at least 10% interest weekly on the BTC he lent to
them. (Id.) Shavers claimed to generate additional returns for BTCST investors, up to 4% daily,
by lending BTC to an online service which provided users with leverage for purposes of trading
BTC on BTC currency exchanges. (Id.)

All that will be used against him in any civil or criminal trial.  Miranda doesn't apply if he wasn't a suspect of any criminal investigation at the time. His statements (assuming they are recorded) make any defense much harder (dare I say impossible).  It now requires an affirmative defense.  If he did run BTCST and it lost funds "legitimately" he can't just rely on a lack of evidence, he needs to prove that.  

I also found e to be interesting.  While I am not sure the SEC will seek it (given the relatively small scale), they can attempt to locate those who benefited from the ponzi and clawback any net gains.  Also given how upstanding Shavers is, if pressed with even the possibility of jailtime I wonder who he will roll on and how much evidence he kept.
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He better wax his asshole. Because that prison pussy is going viral
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If anyone wants more details then the press release additional docs are available (found via links from techdirt article).
http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.docket.html


Some interesting ones:

The complaint filed (preview of SEC case):
http://ia600904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.1.0.pdf

The summons:
http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.9.0.pdf
Looks like Mr. Shavers had 21 days to respond from the date of the summons (07/23/2013) or a summary judgement in the governments favor will be awarded (seizure of all funds listed in the order to freeze). 

Looks like the order to freeze accounts is supported by one "Philip Moustakis".  Does that name ring a bell?  IIRC someone was posting something about being contacted by someone in a government agency about the ponzi scheme.
http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.4.1.pdf

If anyone naively thinks the SEC doesn't read this forum the doc above should finally squash that once and for all.  Detailed dates, times, posts, quotes, etc to provide supporting context.  
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Hopefully he will be spending a holiday in one of the country's run resort rather than a virtual jail.   And Hopefully he has a long long stay

Well from my limited understanding of this, this is only a civil lawsuit where the SEC is trying to collect the few fiat dollars he has left.

The DOJ or someone else will have to file criminal charges if he is to be jailed.

Well I can see from the flow chart above that he at least used some of the money for day spas. That's a good thing because it will make his little white butt nice and supple for all the bruthas that want to squeeze it and make him their lil sistah girl.
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When I saw the story, I thought the feds had finally busted BFL.  Perhaps some other day
I lol'd
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A nifty visual representation:

That lead me to a TechDirt article which I must quote here:
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Either way, the real irony may be that those who chose not to invest with Shavers and to just hold onto their Bitcoins clearly were better off not just because they still had their Bitcoins, but because the (wildly fluctuating) value of Bitcoins rose even higher than the insane interest promises.

Ironically, investors who had simply bought and held bitcoins during the period the alleged Ponzi scheme was in operation would have made a killing. While one bitcoin was worth about $6.56 on average between September 2011 and September 2012, they were valued Tuesday at $95.30 each.
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Hopefully he will be spending a holiday in one of the country's run resort rather than a virtual jail.   And Hopefully he has a long long stay
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The SEC should have deferred to BTCTalk for punishment.  A bunch of fucking idiots who believed 7% weekly returns are a possibility should be happy with their scammer tag above his avatar.  It would be a real shame if all of the fucking morons who threw their bit at such stupidity were able to recoup anything.  

They won't.  Reading between the lines, Pirate lost most (90%+) of the stolen funds day trading.  He siphoned off ~150K BTC of victims funds (~700K BTC deposited, ~550K BTC paid back as withdrawals & interest).  At the time 150K BTC was worth >$1M yet he had trading losses and withdrew less than $150K from the exchange account.  So most of what was stolen is either a)imaginary interest which is never coming back or b) money Pirate lost playing day trader.  

Of the remaining $150K I would imagine he has probably wasted a good chunk of that. Say there is $50K left, remember this was a BTC based scam and the price of BTC has risen 10x to 15x since then.  Today $50K/$100 ea = 500 BTC.   500 BTC out of ~150,000 BTC stolen isn't much of a recovery. 

TL/DR Pirate stole siphoned off ~150,000 BTC and best case scenario the feds might be able to recover 500 BTC (0.3%).  The feds may simply seek in reim forfeiture as the entire operation violated federal law and victims will never see a dime.  Not saying it is fair but honestly we are talking a 99% to 100% loss for investors.

A nifty visual representation:

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Which is why each and every one of us needs to look at our own belief structure and decide how the cost/benefit equation works for us personally. For some, working with the SEC and other investigators to pursue "traditional" justice will be the right call. Others might shy away from this because they don't trust the "traditional" methods to treat them right, or to stay out of a wider investigation that might net things as-yet unthought of to review. Yet others still might choose to find Trendon, and take their retribution out of him physically, or the threat of doing so out of his family unless he is willing to ransom their lives with his stolen gains.

And some may even go through different versions of this cycle to decide what is the right way for them personally. There is no universal truth on how to best prosecute a scumbag like pirate. Personally I think that having the SEC mess up his life for the next couple of years with an investigation is a damn good start, assuming they have frozen all of his assets and taken the sorts of precautionary moves that they and their wicked step-sisters at the IRS are known for. But the whole "hold a gun to his head until he decides to find honor" has a certain appeal too.
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Quote from: Serenata link=topic=2I1290.msg2794399#msg2794399 date=1374668042
I'm reading... "....and while he paid back 507,148 Bitcoins to investors...." at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/23/bitcoin_ponzi_scheme/

Is that accurate? And if so, how did he pay back and when?
That refers to the monthly payouts i think.

That it does.
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Quote from: Serenata link=topic=2I1290.msg2794399#msg2794399 date=1374668042
I'm reading... "....and while he paid back 507,148 Bitcoins to investors...." at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/23/bitcoin_ponzi_scheme/

Is that accurate? And if so, how did he pay back and when?
That refers to the monthly payouts i think.
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I'm reading... "....and while he paid back 507,148 Bitcoins to investors...." at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/23/bitcoin_ponzi_scheme/

Is that accurate? And if so, how did he pay back and when?
That cannot be accurate.

This is his address, I think:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1dkybekt5s2gdtv7aqw6rqepavnsryhoym-94675

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I'm reading... "....and while he paid back 507,148 Bitcoins to investors...." at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/23/bitcoin_ponzi_scheme/

Is that accurate? And if so, how did he pay back and when?
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What, if at all, impact do you think this will have on the price of BTC?

SEC now thinking that BTC is legit will over all be bullish IMO.

Let's all be careful for which we ask.

I'm thinking the SEC has already built a case game plan that tarnishes the entire concept of free currencies by painting them with a broad brush of nefariousness, piracy, drugs, flag-burning, cannibalism, and kiddie porn.

For the record, I lost a not-insignificant sum in the BTCST debacle. I just think we need to be rather discerning in whatever cheerleading for the SEC it is in which we engage.

People use fiat for that stuff too. Btc was never going to be more clean than the usd.

Im not happy the sec is doing this but for the markets and over all acceptance i think its bullish.

Just my thoughts.
Why wouldn't you be happy that the SEC made a complaint against Trendon?

I think that it's great, as more people will view the currency as "legit" instead of "play money" if it actually gets regarded as real money in the court system.
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make me nervous about my money in coinlenders now. my heart jumped when i first read it


coin lenders is at a much lower rate than 7% per month!!!!
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Investors will get nothing back, Shavers will get a slap on the wrist and will retire on the 100k Bitcoins he gambled (wink wink).
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What, if at all, impact do you think this will have on the price of BTC?

SEC now thinking that BTC is legit will over all be bullish IMO.


Agree, this screams: "The government will help keep you and your Bitcoin safe"

(while strangling you with regulation, but anyways...)
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This is great news but I doubt any victim is going to see anything returned to them. Hopefully he'll end up in jail and justice will be served.
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What, if at all, impact do you think this will have on the price of BTC?

SEC now thinking that BTC is legit will over all be bullish IMO.

Let's all be careful for which we ask.

I'm thinking the SEC has already built a case game plan that tarnishes the entire concept of free currencies by painting them with a broad brush of nefariousness, piracy, drugs, flag-burning, cannibalism, and kiddie porn.

For the record, I lost a not-insignificant sum in the BTCST debacle. I just think we need to be rather discerning in whatever cheerleading for the SEC it is in which we engage.
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