Pages:
Author

Topic: Bribing government for bitcoins... (Read 2261 times)

full member
Activity: 195
Merit: 100
April 22, 2014, 09:57:10 PM
#47
While I usually find anarchist opinion to interesting ,informative and somewhat enlightening in many ways ,your argument are just imbecilic on so many levels.




If you don't want the Mafia to protect you, then move to a country without a Mafia.

Does this mafia protection involves providing and maintaining basic infrastuctures such as road,health and rescue services(firefighters,ambulance and medicines etc) ,protection from unscrupulous act/attempts against you(even from the Mafia itself) access to basic education,governance  and whatnots?And are the "fees" competitive compared to what the local government taxes you while managing similar or superior quality of services?
If yes than I would probably accept the Mafia administration any time
Why should I accept injustice just because a political entity sets itself up to maintain a monopoly on the use of violence to enforce that injustice??

Then I suggest you moves away from the country that oppresses you or organise a resistance.

Gandhi used non-violent resistance to oppose British rule and what he saw as unfair taxes on Indian workers, can you imagine telling him "if you don't like taxes and British rule, move to another country"?

You can't seriously equate a struggle against  a colonial ruler (India belongs to Gandhi and his countrymen ,not the British) as the same as not paying taxes
Can you imagine telling Mandela "if you don't like apartheid, live somewhere else"?
Again , this irrelevant and unrepresentative.Unless you are suggesting that havingto pay taxes is equivalent to living in an apartheid system.

Can you imagine telling Arabs in the Arab spring "if you don't like this government, go somewhere else"?

The Arabs were fighting against despotic no-democratic rulers in which they have little say and no way of choosing/changing government.Unless you're living in a similar state, your argument is moot.
You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.

I'm with you this one.If anyone trying to take the fruit of my labour without giving anything consequential of beneficial  in return , then they can expect me to fight back.While I am dissatisfied on how they used my tax money (or the rate of tax for that matter) in my country, I always recognise the necessity of it and conceded paying as my duty/gift to society.


Back to the OP's topic.Your scenario reminded me of similar blackmail scene in "The Dark Knight",though here the punishment must be more severe Grin
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
April 22, 2014, 08:45:23 PM
#46
Say one was to send a message to.. maybe someone at dod.gov... and say that they know secret and classified "information" surrounding the killing of Osama bin Laden. And it said that the government must send 2000BTC to a said address or else the information will be leaked in a week. Would the government go for it, and if so, would and could there be charges brought up against the person for doing that?

no, BTCitcoin is real money unlike phoney baloney american dollars which are only used for publicity stunts.  no one is gonna waste REAL money on something with obvoiusly no value (who cares why someone died.  they're DEAD get over it)
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
April 22, 2014, 03:44:35 PM
#45
5flags is irrational.
Good to see the obligatory political abuse of psychology has now arrived in the thread.

He's using government funded services everyday but doesn't wanna pay up..
Grow up dude, if you don't wanna use sidewalks, or streets, or the internet, or clothes, or toothbrushes, practically anything, since there all connected to the government someway somehow, then go live on Mars.
I'd recognize this bullshit argument anywhere. I've seen it before.
member
Activity: 100
Merit: 10
April 22, 2014, 02:00:36 PM
#44
Even when it is a property, it is still bribing.

Bribing with a TV is still bribing, period.
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1006
Delusional crypto obsessionist
April 22, 2014, 05:01:35 AM
#43
Yes the Feds will be visiting you quickly.

I didnt say me... I was just speaking theoretically. Could you tell me what charges could be brought against the person doing it?
It's called blackmailing. Just google it.

But what if one did it anonymously... say through tor? What do you think the chances are of it succeeding?
a) TOR is not anonymous. (but they let you think it is)
b) Your blog where you put the info have 1 visitor a week.
c) Find a job.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Professional anarchist
April 22, 2014, 04:32:52 AM
#42
As it's a fun and interesting discussion, I've started a thread on the topic here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-and-anarchism-579899
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1015
April 20, 2014, 12:02:32 AM
#41
On a related note, Bitcoin's pretty awesome for petty bribes you're expected to pay in semi-industrial countries.
You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.
So basically you will make use of (steal) the infrastructure, services and protections of your country without compensation because the payment is not optional? A country is like any other product if you don't like it don't buy it. But to use it without paying is theft. And yes, I left mine, twice. Although with no family and a job I could do anywhere with an internet connection it was easier for me than most.

This +1, 5flags is irrational. He's using government funded services everyday but doesn't wanna pay up..Grow up dude, if you don't wanna use sidewalks, or streets, or the internet, or clothes, or toothbrushes, practically anything, since there all connected to the government someway somehow, then go live on Mars.
Not sure if serious. You don't think we'd have toothbrushes if there were no government? Like if it weren't for government, the toothbrush manufacturers would be totally confused as to what to do and just dump everything they manufacture into the ocean until they're insolvent or raided by one of every citizen who's suddenly joined a violent gang now that government dissolved?
member
Activity: 97
Merit: 10
April 19, 2014, 11:39:25 PM
#40
Dude, just go for it, then come back here and tell us how it turn out. And if you dont come back, we will surely know how it went!!  Grin
legendary
Activity: 3024
Merit: 1640
lose: unfind ... loose: untight
April 19, 2014, 11:27:03 PM
#39
Romney never paid it, the guy was eventually caught.

Or -a- guy was caught. Last I heard, the so-called implicating evidence looked awfully thin.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
eidoo wallet
April 18, 2014, 06:32:47 PM
#38
You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.
So basically you will make use of (steal) the infrastructure, services and protections of your country without compensation because the payment is not optional? A country is like any other product if you don't like it don't buy it. But to use it without paying is theft. And yes, I left mine, twice. Although with no family and a job I could do anywhere with an internet connection it was easier for me than most.

This +1, 5flags is irrational. He's using government funded services everyday but doesn't wanna pay up..Grow up dude, if you don't wanna use sidewalks, or streets, or the internet, or clothes, or toothbrushes, practically anything, since there all connected to the government someway somehow, then go live on Mars.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
April 18, 2014, 07:47:06 AM
#37
Waiting for the next big news acticle Cheesy (eating popcorn) nom nom

Dude come on,serious



Haha hey im not really gonna try it. I was just putting that out there and seeing if it could be a possibility.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
April 18, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
#36
Say one was to send a message to.. maybe someone at dod.gov... and say that they know secret and classified "information" surrounding the killing of Osama bin Laden. And it said that the government must send 2000BTC to a said address or else the information will be leaked in a week. Would the government go for it, and if so, would and could there be charges brought up against the person for doing that?

My opinion: It would probably not work unless the info you had was VERY critical.  I don't think the Feds want to set a precedent of being able to be bullied.  Kind of the old "we don't negotiate with terrorists" mentality.  

What's your motivation for asking such a question?

Just something to think about. I mean im sure someone could guess something went awry with that operation and have the government convinced they know something. And the government might want to cover up their tracks. You never know what could happen...
newbie
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
April 18, 2014, 03:22:58 AM
#35
Waiting for the next big news acticle Cheesy (eating popcorn) nom nom

Dude come on,serious

legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1004
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
April 18, 2014, 01:37:04 AM
#33
Say one was to send a message to.. maybe someone at dod.gov... and say that they know secret and classified "information" surrounding the killing of Osama bin Laden. And it said that the government must send 2000BTC to a said address or else the information will be leaked in a week. Would the government go for it, and if so, would and could there be charges brought up against the person for doing that?

My opinion: It would probably not work unless the info you had was VERY critical.  I don't think the Feds want to set a precedent of being able to be bullied.  Kind of the old "we don't negotiate with terrorists" mentality.  

What's your motivation for asking such a question?
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 1217
April 18, 2014, 12:52:05 AM
#32
Remember the CryptoLocker virus? It had attacked a number of systems used by the UK Police Department and encrypted the office files. In the end the cops had to pay the ransom amount, to unlock the files. I am not hearing about Cryptolocker lately. What happened to it? There are rumors that the people behind it have been arrested.
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
April 18, 2014, 12:50:27 AM
#31
Someone already tried this.

They sent a message to Mitt Romney saying that they had some damning information on him, gave a hint as to what it was using some wording from some paperwork of his, then asked for a million dollars in bitcoins by a certain date.

Romney never paid it, the guy was eventually caught.
newbie
Activity: 26
Merit: 0
April 18, 2014, 12:45:41 AM
#30
Very smart plan indeed...
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
April 18, 2014, 12:30:41 AM
#29
I wouldn't recommend making yourself a blatant enemy of the United States Government.

Lay low and wait for them to implode on their own, then we can all pick up the pieces and build something that actually works.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
April 17, 2014, 01:37:21 PM
#28
You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.
So basically you will make use of (steal) the infrastructure, services and protections of your country without compensation because the payment is not optional? A country is like any other product if you don't like it don't buy it. But to use it without paying is theft. And yes, I left mine, twice. Although with no family and a job I could do anywhere with an internet connection it was easier for me than most.


I agree with you on this... But I am concerned about what the government is spending the tax money on, not the tax itself.
Pages:
Jump to: