You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.
So basically you will make use of (steal) the infrastructure, services and protections of your country without compensation because the payment is not optional? A country is like any other product if you don't like it don't buy it. But to use it without paying is theft. And yes, I left mine, twice. Although with no family and a job I could do anywhere with an internet connection it was easier for me than most. 
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Not answering my question, just shows how wrong you are.
No. My question demonstrates the idiocy of your question. If I'm wrong, answer my question. Do you not want your family to be safe? If you do, then pay up.
If you don't want to pay for streets, than just move to a country without streets.
If you don't want the Mafia to protect you, then move to a country without a Mafia.
And don't give me that "I never signed up for that"-bullshit. You don't have a choice, where you are born, but you have a choice about where to live as an adult. You don't like, that you were born in a city? Move to a cave as an adult.
Why should I accept injustice just because a political entity sets itself up to maintain a monopoly on the use of violence to enforce that injustice??
Gandhi used non-violent resistance to oppose British rule and what he saw as unfair taxes on Indian workers, can you imagine telling him "if you don't like taxes and British rule, move to another country"?
Can you imagine telling Mandela "if you don't like apartheid, live somewhere else"?
Can you imagine telling Arabs in the Arab spring "if you don't like this government, go somewhere else"?
You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.
I love how off topic this has gotten. Please create a new topic on this xD im interested
Not answering my question, just shows how wrong you are.
No. My question demonstrates the idiocy of your question. If I'm wrong, answer my question. Do you not want your family to be safe? If you do, then pay up.
If you don't want to pay for streets, than just move to a country without streets.
If you don't want the Mafia to protect you, then move to a country without a Mafia.
And don't give me that "I never signed up for that"-bullshit. You don't have a choice, where you are born, but you have a choice about where to live as an adult. You don't like, that you were born in a city? Move to a cave as an adult.
Why should I accept injustice just because a political entity sets itself up to maintain a monopoly on the use of violence to enforce that injustice??
Gandhi used non-violent resistance to oppose British rule and what he saw as unfair taxes on Indian workers, can you imagine telling him "if you don't like taxes and British rule, move to another country"?
Can you imagine telling Mandela "if you don't like apartheid, live somewhere else"?
Can you imagine telling Arabs in the Arab spring "if you don't like this government, go somewhere else"?
You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.
So, you don't use streets?
The Mafia is keeping you and your family safe. Don't you want your family to be safe? Good. Pay up.
If you don't want to pay for streets, than just move to a country without streets.
And don't give me that "I never signed up for that"-bullshit. You don't have a choice, where you are born, but you have a choice about where to live as an adult. You don't like, that you were born in a city? Move to a cave as an adult.
So, you don't use streets?
The Mafia is keeping you and your family safe. Don't you want your family to be safe? Good. Pay up.
If you don't want to pay for streets, than just move to a country without streets.
And don't give me that "I never signed up for that"-bullshit. You don't have a choice, where you are born, but you have a choice about where to live as an adult. You don't like, that you were born in a city? Move to a cave as an adult.
So, you don't use streets?
The Mafia is keeping you and your family safe. Don't you want your family to be safe? Good. Pay up.
Sure, you can. Move the fuck out of your country and revoke your citizenship.
As long as you stay in a country, you are using their common goods and services. Don't tell me you never used a street.
As long as you stay in a country, you are using their common goods and services. Don't tell me you never used a street.
So I should be banished from my home because I object to a political entity using violence to force goods and services on me and demanding payment for them?
If a business in Sicily is targeted by a mafia protection racket, should they just "move the fuck out of their country" if they don't like it?
I guess some people are just born to be ruled.
So, you don't use streets?
Sure, you can. Move the fuck out of your country and revoke your citizenship.
As long as you stay in a country, you are using their common goods and services. Don't tell me you never used a street.
As long as you stay in a country, you are using their common goods and services. Don't tell me you never used a street.
So I should be banished from my home because I object to a political entity using violence to force goods and services on me and demanding payment for them?
If a business in Sicily is targeted by a mafia protection racket, should they just "move the fuck out of their country" if they don't like it?
I guess some people are just born to be ruled.
So, if you are taking a good or service, don't pay for it and the salesman treatens to sue you, that is also extortion?
Of course not. I have the option to not buy the good or service, and I have the option to go to another merchant.
Governments provide you with common goods, you have to pay for it via taxes.
Can I decide that I don't want the government's goods and services?
Sure, you can argue that, they charge too much, but you can say the same about Apple.
Can I decide that I don't want Apple's goods and services?
You see the difference?
As long as you stay in a country, you are using their common goods and services. Don't tell me you never used a street.
I am going to assume that they could fall for it. They have spent billions on other stupid programs, so they could shell out a million for this. Im sure something fishy went down when they killed (or didnt kill) osama, and they dont want the american people to find out.
Why would you go this route in the first place? This kind of corrupt behavior is exactly what Bitcoin was created to abolish. Don't act like the very people Bitcoin was made to neuter.
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No, they won't pay.
You'll be lucky if they decide to find you and prosecute you.
If you're unlucky, they'll just hunt you down and kill you.
You'll be lucky if they decide to find you and prosecute you.
If you're unlucky, they'll just hunt you down and kill you.
So, if you are taking a good or service, don't pay for it and the salesman treatens to sue you, that is also extortion?
Of course not. I have the option to not buy the good or service, and I have the option to go to another merchant.
Governments provide you with common goods, you have to pay for it via taxes.
Can I decide that I don't want the government's goods and services?
Sure, you can argue that, they charge too much, but you can say the same about Apple.
Can I decide that I don't want Apple's goods and services?
You see the difference?
What is the difference between extortion and blackmailing?
From Wiki:
Blackmail may also be considered a form of extortion.[1] Although the two are generally synonymous, extortion is the taking of personal property by threat of future harm.[9] Blackmail is the use of threats to prevent another from engaging in a lawful occupation and writing libelous letters or letters that provoke a breach of the peace, as well as use of intimidation for purposes of collecting an unpaid debt.[4]
Yea, actually I'm not sure that helps...
And no, it is not like taxes.
Government demands money on threat of imprisonment. Individual demands money on threat of telling the truth.
Actually you're right, they aren't the same.
Yes the Feds will be visiting you quickly.
better dont do it
if someone was willing to extort the government. then their morals should not be trusted by the government, that after payment the data will or wont be destroyed.
this is the whole "we don't negotiate with kidnappers/terrorists" mindset they have.
this is the whole "we don't negotiate with kidnappers/terrorists" mindset they have.
would and could there be charges brought up against the person for doing that?
As they say, in USA, everything is possible
I personally think it is just business offer, after all it is just information, but I can see how paranoid government can see it differently like you threatening somebody with true or false information
I know someone who might try it, but with information on a different topic that they really have.
would and could there be charges brought up against the person for doing that?
As they say, in USA, everything is possible
I personally think it is just business offer, after all it is just information, but I can see how paranoid government can see it differently like you threatening somebody with true or false information
What is the difference between extortion and blackmailing?
From Wiki:
Blackmail may also be considered a form of extortion.[1] Although the two are generally synonymous, extortion is the taking of personal property by threat of future harm.[9] Blackmail is the use of threats to prevent another from engaging in a lawful occupation and writing libelous letters or letters that provoke a breach of the peace, as well as use of intimidation for purposes of collecting an unpaid debt.[4]
Yea, actually I'm not sure that helps...
And no, it is not like taxes.
Government demands money on threat of imprisonment. Individual demands money on threat of telling the truth.
Actually you're right, they aren't the same.
It's called blackmailing. Just google it.
Probably extortion...maybe?
Delightfully similar to a government demanding money (what they call "taxes) or they will throw you in a cage.
And no, it is not like taxes.
Has this forum recently be captured by criminals, who call them self anarchists?
It's called blackmailing. Just google it.
Probably extortion...maybe?
Delightfully similar to a government demanding money (what they call "taxes) or they will throw you in a cage.
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