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September 03, 2017, 09:38:41 AM
#28
It is specific platform only for muslim?

     Sorry, this should have been more clear. The platform is intended for everyone- emphasis on making available smart contracts that conform to Islamic financial jurisprudence is a means of creating an environment that will be attractive to people who believe in the principles, many of whom may identify as Muslims.

      This is not about using religion to make a quick buck- however, it doesn't hurt that this is a major hole in the market. We intend to try to compete both on a technical level as well as a social and moral level.
      
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September 03, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
#27
Here is the initial list of offers for help who will be first priority for future giveaways/access to pre-ICO proportional to the fair market value of contribution.

auroboros - translation to Indonesian

btcltcdigger - translation to Croatian, block explorer publishing and hosting

 I can do Russian translation.
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September 03, 2017, 04:14:45 AM
#26
It is specific platform only for muslim?
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September 03, 2017, 04:03:42 AM
#25
Is there somewhere I can contribute my ethereum to? Or does this not even have an ICO yet?
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September 03, 2017, 02:54:57 AM
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September 02, 2017, 01:16:50 PM
#23
Is there any registered company behind this Islamic project when you will take this step to register this bank into any Islamic country with totally Islamic laws for this financial system. I think bitcoin is really secure financial system where everyone can take benefit just for investing into this project.  

   The reason I have moved to Malaysia is to work on this project. Malaysia has a fairly transparent regulatory infrastructure and offers many incentives to fintech startups. Ultimately the technical structure will determine whether this project will be promoted as a corporation or by a non-profit foundation like the Bitcoin foundation.

    The need is identified and we have an ides of how a blockchain can be used to fill this need and achieve efficiency gains and ideally capture market share from traditional banks while also bringing in the unbanked. However, we need to have a better concept of the technical details as well as legal guidance. Generally the Malaysian government is very supportive of any new financial technologies that are going to continue solidifying Kuala Lumpur's position as a global Islamic finance hub poised strategically between the huge markets of east Asia and the Middle East.

   Ideally we would like to have some formal entity established within 18 months. It will probably take at least that long for us to get an alpha up and running.
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September 02, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
#22
Is there any registered company behind this Islamic project when you will take this step to register this bank into any Islamic country with totally Islamic laws for this financial system. I think bitcoin is really secure financial system where everyone can take benefit just for investing into this project. 
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September 02, 2017, 01:02:29 PM
#21
Blockchain and tokens in general already serve the purpose. it's non inflationary by design. we do not need a token specific for the Muslim community.

    It is still in debate if this project requires it's own token or not. We are researching various projects, decentralized exchanges in particular, and weighing the pros and cons of building on an existing blockchain versus forming a new blockchain. If we do form a native blockchain and coin, it would likely be a clone of either LTC, BTC, or ETC with minor modifications.

   Part of the purpose of this thread is to try to make contact with more experienced developers who might be willing to offer advice and/or collaborate. One of the reasons we are hesitant to build on the bitcoin or ethereum blockchains is the issue of scaling. Perhaps more development of sidechain concepts will help to clarify this. We are open to suggestions and discussion.
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September 02, 2017, 12:55:26 PM
#20
So... What is the application of this project? What are the main problems to solve?


   There is a range of problems that need to be addressed, and the idea is to create a platform that provides the tools to address them while simultaneously fostering the growth of a tight knit community of developers, entrepreneurs, creative workers like designers and writers, to form a unique and vibrant economy/ecosystem.

    Some of these problems include the following:

    -A large number of unbanked people.
  
    -Lack of financing options not involving interest.

    -Lack of Islamic microcredit initiatives in many
     countries.

    -Lack of peer to peer funding options for small scale
      entrepreneurs and investors

    -Costs associated with financing making microloans
     unusustainable- accounting, oversight, risk
     management.

    -Inability to quantify and leverage social capital.

    -Difficulty accessing sound investment advice for
      people who may be saving for the first time,
      particularly in countries with high inflation

    -Lack of mobile accessible platforms for small scale
      investors to access cryptocurrency markets.

    -The question of blockchain scalability.


       Some of the features that could be built on this platform that address these problems would include:
 
   -Islamic contracts formulated as secure and legally binding smart contracts managing crowdfunding, profit sharing, dividends, equity, and increasing liquidity for projects of all sizes.

   -A semi-decentralized trading platform utilizing colored coins to represent various asset classes on the blockchain, allowing greater divisibility and therefore access to small scale investors of both crypto and non-crypto assets and securities.

    -Standard procedures for incentivized financing
    supervision by agents- ie. Blockchain based guidelines
     for various levels of risk accreditation, in standard
     templates, blockchain based recording of the
     performance of financing agents allowing for a
     permanent and immutable review system which gives
     local agents the chance to become 'super project
     assessors' attracting more capital.
 
    -Multisignature escrow services.

    -Social media integration and social investing with multiple language support, so small investors in countries not well integrated in the global financial system can both leverage their social capital to fundraise globally and follow successful investors worldwide to help them make wise investment decisions.

   -Easy tools for integrating networks of local agents who can earn commissions locally by accepting mobile payments and cash as deposits.


   Yes, all of these things can be done with other blockchains. Yes, there are some people starting projects to do similar things in Islamic banking. However, the scaling difficulties being faced by Bitcoin and Ethereum may very well mean we are looking at a multi-blockchain future, where each blockchain represents a community. Hence the name.

     There is no guarantee that we will be able to fill the demand for Islamic banking services utilizing blockchain tech better than similar projects, but we will try, and for religious and social reasons our concept focuses on the needs of those who are most in need- not because it is the most profitable thing to do, but because it is the right thing to do.

       Since I became active in the bitcoin community I have noticed one thing consistently- the biggest determinant of the value and success of a coin is the community that surrounds it. This is why this is envisioned as a project that will emphasize the building of community from the ground up. Islam is the basis of the shared values that will define this community, but it should in no way be limited to Muslims- after all, the vast majority of Islamic values- kindness, compassion, mercy, justice, and truth, are universal to people of all belief systems and philosophies.

    The hope is that we can be part of a future where centralized banks fade from prominence much as the postal service is currently doing, giving way to a future where people have direct ownership over their savings and assets and control over how their wealth is invested- with a broad range of assets that conform to their moral values and beliefs accessible on a single platform.

     All criticism and discussion is very welcome! I will continue posting updates here in sha Allah (God willing)!

   Jazakum Allahu khair (May God give you goodness)!
    
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September 02, 2017, 07:46:57 AM
#19
Blockchain and tokens in general already serve the purpose. it's non inflationary by design. we do not need a token specific for the Muslim community.
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September 02, 2017, 07:30:22 AM
#18
The blockchain by design has no borders and its for everyone,if I started a project for white peoples only....can you imagine the public outcry,such a project would offend me,I hope most people will see this as what it is and stay well clear.

   No one is excluded from this project- the principles guiding it are universal.

      A black person cannot become white if they want to. Anyone regardless of race can become Muslim, and anyone can recognize and abide by the wisdom of Islamic principles if they so wish. If you wish to discuss this in another thread feel free to link to it here, but let's try to avoid lengthy ideological discussion on this thread.
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September 02, 2017, 05:59:44 AM
#17
So... What is the application of this project? What are the main problems to solve?
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September 02, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
#16
The blockchain by design has no borders and its for everyone,if I started a project for white peoples only....can you imagine the public outcry,such a project would offend me,I hope most people will see this as what it is and stay well clear.
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September 02, 2017, 05:21:14 AM
#15
Is this the same project with halal coin

   No, what we are going for here is more a platform than a coin.
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September 02, 2017, 04:16:50 AM
#14
Is this the same project with halal coin
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September 02, 2017, 04:08:26 AM
#13
Here is the initial list of offers for help who will be first priority for future giveaways/access to pre-ICO proportional to the fair market value of contribution.

auroboros - translation to Indonesian

btcltcdigger - translation to Croatian, block explorer publishing and hosting
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September 02, 2017, 03:59:54 AM
#12
As long as it's not covertly imposed on countries.

Myki, could you explain more? How would it covertly be imposed on countries? Do you mean like how fractional reserve banking is imposed on countries?



Religious blockchain this sounds awkward as I think blockchain is borderless tech I don't think this idea has any chance to grow where everything comes under the religious thought we already have well established blockchain financial system than it will be much hard for this project to grow.

    One of the reasons for the early success of Islam and the Islamic golden age which gave us much of the science we depend on today was free trade and open borders. As mentioned in the OP, the demand for Islamic banking services is growing at a faster rate than coneventional banking. One project in this area is ArabianChain, #240 on coinmarketcap as of yesterday.

Is it really one of the first of its kind?

   As I mentioned ArabianChain is working on coding Islamic contracts, but while they are more focused on the business side, Ummati is intended to focus more on individual users, ie. P2P crowd funding, joint ventures, charitable projects, and to focus more on the religious aspect.

     Many of the players in the Islamic finance industry at the moment basically try to deal in interest while calling it by another name- and I have personally met many Muslims who are hesitant to use their services for this reason. It's not hard to find a religious scholar who is willing to take payment to declare something as being moral.
  

    Even so, there is room for differences of opinion, so competition in this field is a good thing- not just in terms of profit, but also in terms of conscience.

did you planing any bounties?

    We are still working on the concept- that's part of the reason for the thread. We are debating whether to build on the bitcoin blockchain, the ethereum classic blockchain, or to establish a native blockchain. All options are open in terms of fundraising. Once we start to hammer out the technical details we can talk more about bounties in the form of coins or tokens.

     Since this post I've gotten offers for help, and I'll be keeping a list of who contributes what, and later down the line if in sha Allah (God willing) we launch a coin or ico, contributors will be the first to receive coins or tokens.

    
there have been many attempts to bind the blockchain to Islam, all scams and none have proven to follow the guidelines set .
they all tried to make a fast bankroll with the using of the Islamic word but down deep they have no idea of what they were doing simply because it is a instrument to make money for them! fast and simple- then they are gone!

  I'm very sorry to hear that- unfortunately it is all too common that people who claim Islam do not reflect it in their actions.

    If you look at my post history you will see that I have been involved with the IBB the Islamic Bank of Bitcoin for over four years. I had the key to the IBB wallet where we have between 10-20 BTC. The bank is currently inactive since I learned that our practice of taking gratuities on loans is not allowed in Islam. This means to utilize any of those funds we have to go through the archives of our loans, figure out how much we earned from gratuities, and give it to charity. I'll see if I can dig up the address to prove it.

   I was working with senbonzakura on it, but he has been offline for some time. He also didn't want to be publicly known, so I'll be curious to see if the BTC are still in the wallet, since he also had the keys. He wanted to finance a number of ideas, including video games with elements of gambling, that are not permissible in Islam, this is part of why I want to start a new project.

     There are so many ways to make money being dishonest with crypto, and this is one of the reasons I absolutely want multisignature wallets to be a basic part of Ummati- this is one of the great qualities of NEM imo.

   But yes, I am fully open about my identity, and happy to skype or meet with anyone who wants to network or collaborate.


I agree, mixing religion and something that should be barrier free doesn't seem to match.
Question though, does the dev has any company/banking supporting this project?

     The basis of Islam is unity and truth, so barrier free and transparent is what we want! There may be rules in a blockchain that prevent malicious behavior that threatens a network like DDoS attacks- Muslims happen to believe that interest is malicious behavior that threatens the network.

     I have spoken to the Bugshan group which invested in Arabian Chain, and they expressed interest, but right now this is just an idea, so we need to have more concrete details. I also spoke to Matthew Martin of Blossom finance, who is a Muslim experienced in fundraising for startups and is an experienced fintech software developer and startup mentor, and he has helped me with some guidance for pitching to investors.

    I have moved to Malaysia which is an established center for Islamic fintech venture capital, and I am applying to the INCEIF (Global University of Islamic Finance) Ph.D in Islamic finance program to network with other industry professionals and gain relevant knowledge and experience- both in religion and business.

       Right now we are trying to raise money so our CTO can drop out of college and work full time on learning the code necessary for this project. If anyone wants to help with a crowdfunding campaign this would certainly earn a spot on the list of future recipients of coins/tokens.

   Thanks for all the interest, looking forward to more questions, comments, or constructive criticism.
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September 01, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
#11
It will be great an airdrop , any news dev?
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September 01, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
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there have been many attempts to bind the blockchain to Islam, all scams and none have proven to follow the guidelines set .
they all tried to make a fast bankroll with the using of the Islamic word but down deep they have no idea of what they were doing simply because it is a instrument to make money for them! fast and simple- then they are gone!

 What I like about this particular project so far is that they seem to provide their real identities. Lookslike Ibrahim has his youtube channel and don't mind to be a public speaker. So tell us more about your plans and team development, mybe this project might impove the situation with islamic world financial ecosystem.  
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September 01, 2017, 01:22:13 PM
#9
Any airdrops planned?

Great idea, more info please!
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