Topic: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO (Read 7330 times)

isn't this HUMONGOUS NEWS?

So I guess the thing to watch now is how many mining (not quite) bonds start leaving the securities forum...

donkdown:

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Ue8JvEHYB8H

I bought about 100 BTC from vescudero and it was all fine and fast with him. I even paid first. He doesn't deserve to be in the list.

And he did, he should not be on this list.

i thought vescudero paid back all lenders

Bryan, this is my present for you

Just to throw in my 2 bitpennies.... 10/H is NOWHERE near enough to get caught in this scam and have your rep ruined. I made one mistake with a photo during a loan and im getting blasted. Imagine a scam that large...

The more and more I read about this BFL conspiracy, the more, and more I find myself drifting away from them.

I can see it both ways though. From their perspective, and the consumers. What I dont understand is why they are so "hush hush" about these asic devices. I've never seen a company offer to sell you something without at least backing it with proof. Is it REALLY that top secret? Ok, so if it is, then I can understand the secrecy. But were coming up on the time they are supposed to ship these things. Would it hurt for them to post a picture or two?  I donno... seems very unprofessional if this is real.

I've sent emails to them via the website, and never even get a response.  Ok, well in their defense they are probably flooded with email on a daily basis, and with their "22" employees I can see how they can't get to every single one. But from a company stand point, why not just added a *Due to the overwhelming amount of email we recieve daily we may not be able to respond in a timely fashion when submitting your form? Again, on a professional level they are filled with so many holes. I've been looking into them every single day since I found out about ASIC, and everyday I find myself questioning their operation. This is not just based on forum chatter. Its based upon how they have operated with me personally. I for one want an ASIC SC like there's no tomorrow, but I'm not going toss $1,300 at a company that can't even give a common curtsey email response. The way I see it they need to hire a PR guy. Pay the guy 10 bucks an hour to answer emails all day. They can't find someone to do that?

I donno.... for all I know the paranoia of this Bitcoin world could just be rubbing off on me. Or maybe I'm rightly justified for just wanting a little more information. I tend to lean towards my justification.  I have no plan on ever ordering from them until I get some better validation.

Something stuck out for me here:


This actually gives a strong motivation for why Sonny would want Bitcoin to succeed. He's already felt the result of the strong ties the current banking system has to the government.



People seem to not understand this section at all. This is referring to Sonny's personal property only. It has nothing to do with units that BFL manufactures and sells as a part of their business.


And the lottery thing is kind of scummy, but I'm guessing people signed up voluntarily so it's really hard to say if people were being scammed or if they were just fooling themselves with a fiat version of SatoshiDice. I tend not to put a lot of stock in the descriptions prosecutors put in their write ups. I have a friend who is on the sex offenders list because she streaked down her block.

Please add Andrew Nollan (shakaru) to the list - he owes $38 000+

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/shades-minoco-shakaru-collections-debt-65989
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnzolfvAaL97dGlQZjZmcFMwTzlmbWJNUHdyZnM4M2c#gid=3

How is dank a scammer? DankGlass? He gave me .4 BTC for free. Scammer usually dont do that, no?

It's hard to know how much he encouraged the setting up of pass-throughs behind the scenes. 



In April, his attitude changed and he formally "allowed" the operation of PPTs.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.840854

After that point, pirate no longer needed to have any direct involvement in the solicitation of funds.

that is fucking awesome.

updated this slightly, needs much, much more work unfortunately 

I will just leave this right here.

BurtW . Gigavps , Imsaguy   Goat and many others  were basically telling people they knew it wasnt a ponzi and people were just not smart enough to understand how it works etc

go back and read the posts although many have been deleted and its clear that pirate was not the only one driving people into the ponzi

actually ,he had very little posts on the forum when the PPT guys were recruiting fresh accounts .........

No.

Just no. Pirate made a good Ponzi operator, but someone would have done it eventually. Maybe not on this scale, but the community was very strongly supporting the operation even after its nature was obvious. People can now say "There was no proof, he might have been legitimate," but in that same vein, he might be an alien who will soon pay everyone after importing spaceships from Andromeda.

hazek and Micon and multiple others described it pretty well: the argument was working the wrong way around. BS&T had excessive debt that lacked an explanation. To defend that, one has to provide evidence it's not a scam, instead of willingly ignoring all evidence that it was one. If you throw your money onto the sidewalk and then go on vacation, could you say "the only one responsible is the thief"? That's nonsensical.

The sentence may become true if you can show scamming was an error on Pirate's side, because it will have some sort of consequences. Well, I'm watching, the plan of investors isn't impressive so far. But even if that works out, many people were making it far too easy to get things to where they are today. Go ahead and read some of the stuff from early July, the flamewar that spread over half the forum. Pirateat40 couldn't possibly have made it through all that by himself, not even remotely. He had massive support.

The only one responsible for pirate scamming the community is pirate himself.