Btc ban and fud its also financial market manipulation - page 2.

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Quote from: Welsh on December 29, 2021, 10:08:28 AM

FUD will always exist, whether its Bitcoin or some other asset. It always has, and Bitcoin will be no exception to it. Due to the volatile nature, and the complexity of Bitcoin it seems that the media are able to manipulate people a little more than they would be able to with other things.

We aren't going to change that, plus there's a certain demographic that seems to love bashing on Bitcoin, probably due to either losing money themselves or not understanding it completely. Therefore, their default reaction is they'll become hostile.

FUD is just another aspect of the market we have to deal with and anyone that is incapable of doing so will pay the consequences of that mistake, I do not think anyone that is serious about this market likes it, but since it is something we cannot control the best we can do is to simply ignore it.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 09:12:56 AM

Then media should be responseble for the losses.

I wish the media was held more responsible for their clickbait headlines, and quite frankly their blatant manipulation of the facts outside of Bitcoin, but it rarely pans out that way.

I think the same but over the long term people become desensitized to it, after all when every single event is the worst thing that could happen and it is a crisis of universal proportions people stop caring about those click-bait headlines.

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FUD is different from fraud and you can't stop that from happening in the market. If you're looking at the most manipulated market, look at the medical supplies and drugs. We're in a pandemic and people are also talking about how manipulated it is. As for bitcoin, it's not just the FUD that has been said that manipulates it, also it includes the miners, the news and most of the time a few talks from those well known people that seems to be a path finder for the people as they invest in bitcoin.

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Quote from: barbara44 on December 29, 2021, 04:48:34 PM

Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

Russia china and india are 3 countries now whos suspected of fud.
How the goverment can ban or place over you any regulations if those rules and regulations are only for profit for their own profit their own people its a corruption on highest level.

Any fud and regulations are fud and fud is made for market manipulation by constitution those who get involved in this they are involved in market manipulation.

I am quite confused on what you have written here, are you saying that the governments that has banned cryptocurrency should be seen as frauds? How exactly, because your point that you have made about this is not adding up. So the government should be seen as fraud and should refund people in other countries, because they decided to ban crypto in their own country? Lol. It doesn’t work that way.

Yes, I do know that whenever the government bans cryptocurrency in their country, there used to be fear in the market, which would result to a fall. For example, when China banned bitcoin and people were and started selling. It’s not just as a result of the government canning crypto in their country, rather it is because of investors that sells whenever they see such a news.

Every limitation or bad news are only for one reason to make price go lower so the ...wall street and whales can buy cheap.
So goverments around the world are just under the control of wall street.
Just business btc is good for them as its still kinda unregulated the ways they need it.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

Russia china and india are 3 countries now whos suspected of fud.
How the goverment can ban or place over you any regulations if those rules and regulations are only for profit for their own profit their own people its a corruption on highest level.

Any fud and regulations are fud and fud is made for market manipulation by constitution those who get involved in this they are involved in market manipulation.

I am quite confused on what you have written here, are you saying that the governments that has banned cryptocurrency should be seen as frauds? How exactly, because your point that you have made about this is not adding up. So the government should be seen as fraud and should refund people in other countries, because they decided to ban crypto in their own country? Lol. It doesn’t work that way.

Yes, I do know that whenever the government bans cryptocurrency in their country, there used to be fear in the market, which would result to a fall. For example, when China banned bitcoin and people were and started selling. It’s not just as a result of the government canning crypto in their country, rather it is because of investors that sells whenever they see such a news.

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Manipulation does not need a justification whales try to manipulate the price, regardless of the news.
Unfortunately, many newspapers help them, as once the price begins to decline, negative news begins to follow the price change.

What happens is that:

price changes
FUD start
newspapers search for a logical reason (to get views and ads)
whales begin to influence the price

The impact of whales is the last after the change in price.

The price of Bitcoin is increasing, and the more we reach several trillions of market capacity, the more difficult it is to manipulate.

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Quote from: mk4 on December 29, 2021, 10:46:41 AM

Legitimate news isn't "FUD". We call something "FUD" if there's misleading news/information that's being intentionally spread to scare bitcoin holders. Not literally every single negative news is "FUD" lmao.

Legimate or not any regulation or ban or limits will be bad influence to price.
And they dont do it motivated by right or wrong but just profit reasons.

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The funny part is the Indian government threatens to ban bitcoins a lot of times, even the RBI goes so far so as to ban the bank accounts as well, at the end of the day they ask the Indians to sell their bitcoins or they might be liable to jail time, they were ridiculously mentioning that the jail time would be definately more than the jail time that a person normally receives for *rape*. These ridiculous claims are actually fuled by old people governing the government in the country, which I do think is a big issue, they also try and bring price down every once in a while but now the matter is hopefully sorted for a while. Other than that big countries like Russia and China are waiting to grab any opportunity, with China cleaning their hands and running out now all eyes are on Russia for their big move, but they seem far too focused on Ukraine for the moment to do anything.

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Quote from: RichardM on December 29, 2021, 10:14:18 AM

The recent Bitcoin ban and fake news add up to financial market manipulation.
It impacts the prices but not for too long.

long or not depends on the FUD news that is spread. If the negative news is really serious then the market will crash and need time to recover.
Currently, many large media are easy to pay to post some FUD news which of course will disrupt the market situation, the purpose of the manipulation is certainly coordinated. Many manipulations at this time, more thorough and careful not to get caught up in it.

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Quote from: mk4 on December 29, 2021, 10:46:41 AM

Legitimate news isn't "FUD". We call something "FUD" if there's misleading news/information that's being intentionally spread to scare bitcoin holders. Not literally every single negative news is "FUD" lmao.

Thank God someone has said this thing, it seems that people have forgotten to consider the fact that just because a news article says sommething that we find bad ourselves, our immediate response is to call it out as a FUD without even reading the article, of course not every article isn't a FUD, it's just that we need some form of consistency.

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Legitimate news isn't "FUD". We call something "FUD" if there's misleading news/information that's being intentionally spread to scare bitcoin holders. Not literally every single negative news is "FUD" lmao.

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FUD is something wrongly interpreted by the media to manipulate the prices so government has nothing to do with such wrong news. China tried to ban the cryptocurrency because they don't want their people to know that how the financial freedom will be. And other government has their own reasons to ban but they yet to ban it legally meanwhile other media out there say its banned when some kind kf news related to the law was announced by country.

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Quote from: Welsh on December 29, 2021, 10:08:28 AM

Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 09:12:56 AM

Then media should be responseble for the losses.

I wish the media was held more responsible for their clickbait headlines, and quite frankly their blatant manipulation of the facts outside of Bitcoin, but it rarely pans out that way.

There is an entire industry producing biased news. Traditional media is increasingly out of money, but this kind of media that produces paid content, and often does not make it clear, is the fastest growing sector. That's why debating news in forums is important as it makes it easier to find different positions on the same subject.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

If any country do the fud it means regulations and ban.
Its a fud and fud is market manipulation.

Its fraud against other traders.
Fud is fraud fudsters will make price go down to buy cheaper to sell others higher.

Russia china and india are 3 countries now whos suspected of fud.
How the goverment can ban or place over you any regulations if those rules and regulations are only for profit for their own profit their own people its a corruption on highest level.

Any fud and regulations are fud and fud is made for market manipulation by constitution those who get involved in this they are involved in market manipulation.

Why do they show to us like they really protect people rights and do good things?
If its pure fraud to just manipulate markets are those country heads who make markets down will refund to those traders who are outside of those countries ?

Btc is most manipulated asset and shows that only those who are in power can do others whatever they want not by motivation of justice or order but only for their own gain.

The recent Bitcoin ban and fake news add up to financial market manipulation.
It impacts the prices but not for too long.

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FUD will always exist, whether its Bitcoin or some other asset. It always has, and Bitcoin will be no exception to it. Due to the volatile nature, and the complexity of Bitcoin it seems that the media are able to manipulate people a little more than they would be able to with other things.

We aren't going to change that, plus there's a certain demographic that seems to love bashing on Bitcoin, probably due to either losing money themselves or not understanding it completely. Therefore, their default reaction is they'll become hostile.

Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 09:12:56 AM

Then media should be responseble for the losses.

I wish the media was held more responsible for their clickbait headlines, and quite frankly their blatant manipulation of the facts outside of Bitcoin, but it rarely pans out that way.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 09:12:56 AM

Then media should be responseble for the losses.

Just imagine that a politician tells on TV that 1+1=3. If you use that info for something financial, it's only your problem, neither the politician's who is defying the basic math, nor the media who has taken (correctly) the wrong statement.
Of course, media does its share of manipulation and FUD in more ways, like "favoring" certain types of news, but for those it will be even harder to sue them.
And about governments... as long as the central banks have warned you that crypto investments are very risky, you're on your own.

All in all, you are right - that is indeed FUD and market manipulation - but unfortunately I don't think that you can make a case against them.

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A country involved in a fud sounds like a large-scale fud. Normally we only see users spreading fud is just about some projects which this user only wants to buy the project's token at a low price from the ones who will dump because of the funds he spread.

Assuming Russia, China and India are using this technique so are they buying BTC or ETH?
The ones that I have heard of is that China is buying US bonds that's why some they own a lot of it and even US companies like Forbes Media are bought by Chinese.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on December 29, 2021, 08:49:49 AM

What do you mean when you say FUD means regulations and ban? FUD is often merely FUD, triggered by misrepresented information (for example, a major factor in the 2018 market crash was manipulative and, evidently, false information that South Korea was about to bad crypto exchanges). You've also mentioned Russia, China, and India. While these countries are associated with mixed messages, these messages don't always entail actual new regulations, let alone bans. It's frequently discussions of what this or that official said or about draft bills that don't pass. And, to be honest, I don't think the governments are to blame in these situations (at least, not all situations) because it's often the media that catches a small piece of info and tries to make breaking news out of it by spreading fear and making it sound worse than it really is.
As for Bitcoin being manipulated, the price does suffer now and then from news about bans or new regulations. However, it's simply due to investors acting on it. Also, the price tends to recover, so I don't have a problem with that.

Then media should be responseble for the losses.

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What do you mean when you say FUD means regulations and ban? FUD is often merely FUD, triggered by misrepresented information (for example, a major factor in the 2018 market crash was manipulative and, evidently, false information that South Korea was about to bad crypto exchanges). You've also mentioned Russia, China, and India. While these countries are associated with mixed messages, these messages don't always entail actual new regulations, let alone bans. It's frequently discussions of what this or that official said or about draft bills that don't pass. And, to be honest, I don't think the governments are to blame in these situations (at least, not all situations) because it's often the media that catches a small piece of info and tries to make breaking news out of it by spreading fear and making it sound worse than it really is.
As for Bitcoin being manipulated, the price does suffer now and then from news about bans or new regulations. However, it's simply due to investors acting on it. Also, the price tends to recover, so I don't have a problem with that.

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FUD is just a FUD even on the Forex market there are still many FUDs it's already part of the market. They always do it to manipulate the price but it won't affect too much.

About FUD on BTC it's always volatile since before even without FUDs the price is too volatile unlike on the local currencies or any assets from Forex.

That is why pro traders analyze the market that includes news without them they can't analyze what will be the next price movement.
If you know the Bitcoin price history before there is no difference in what happens these days every "after block halving".

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If any country do the fud it means regulations and ban.
Its a fud and fud is market manipulation.

Its fraud against other traders.
Fud is fraud fudsters will make price go down to buy cheaper to sell others higher.

Russia china and india are 3 countries now whos suspected of fud.
How the goverment can ban or place over you any regulations if those rules and regulations are only for profit for their own profit their own people its a corruption on highest level.

Any fud and regulations are fud and fud is made for market manipulation by constitution those who get involved in this they are involved in market manipulation.

Why do they show to us like they really protect people rights and do good things?
If its pure fraud to just manipulate markets are those country heads who make markets down will refund to those traders who are outside of those countries ?

Btc is most manipulated asset and shows that only those who are in power can do others whatever they want not by motivation of justice or order but only for their own gain.

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