Btc ban and fud its also financial market manipulation

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on December 31, 2021, 04:30:15 PM

Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 09:12:56 AM

Then media should be responseble for the losses.

we oursleves who are responsible for the losses, not media, not everyone others.
Why?
Because we ourselves who do that decision, doing investment or trading in the crypto should have understood that this will always require risks. I am sure that you are only focused and are ready for the profits to take, but not ready for the risks. that is basic but you forget about it.
Losses in investment and trading will be always here, around us, faced by everyone here. But, we don't need to blame others, we should take the lessons why we lost. We may not be patient, we may be triggered by the FUD and being panic, we may decide any decision hurriedly and without any good analysis.
FUD will be always everywhere, not only crypto.
I suggest you if you are not ready with the risks in the crypto world and take lessons to make better to manage the funds and risks, just quit.

You are right, but not everyone has the same thinking ability and knowledge.
Some people have extreme patience some haven't. Still, there are many peoples who believe media blindly and don't have much analytical skills,
when FUD's coming from a reputed authority like governments or Elon musk or celebrities then they have to believe those FUD's
I must give blame to those authorities who spread FUD knowingly and endanger their followers, they are abusing their power.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 09:12:56 AM

Then media should be responseble for the losses.

we oursleves who are responsible for the losses, not media, not everyone others.
Why?
Because we ourselves who do that decision, doing investment or trading in the crypto should have understood that this will always require risks. I am sure that you are only focused and are ready for the profits to take, but not ready for the risks. that is basic but you forget about it.
Losses in investment and trading will be always here, around us, faced by everyone here. But, we don't need to blame others, we should take the lessons why we lost. We may not be patient, we may be triggered by the FUD and being panic, we may decide any decision hurriedly and without any good analysis.
FUD will be always everywhere, not only crypto.
I suggest you if you are not ready with the risks in the crypto world and take lessons to make better to manage the funds and risks, just quit.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

Btc is most manipulated asset and shows that only those who are in power can do others whatever they want not by motivation of justice or order but only for their own gain.

I have to agree that Bitcoin can be manipulated in the sense that prices move up and down. FUDs, Whales, are of the most to be blamed but I don't think that we can say it was 100% manipulated. I know that some people will take advantage of their capabilities like whales to make change the market trend but people never take that seriously as they just think it was the part of the volatility which I believe was so.

And so why do people never stop buying and accumulating Bitcoin even they know such a thing? That was because manipulation has existed in all aspects of business, investment, and even in our life.

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Bitcoin is a kinda cryptocurrency that we don't know who buying or who is selling. Imagine I am spreading FUD and dumping the price. Once the price dump then I will accumulate. So no one will know I am accumulating. China ban Bitcoin many times but we don't know whether they are accumulating I dip or selling in high. So all FUD and ban just to dump Bitcoin for a small time. Never mind who is behind that, just accumulate if you think this is a dip for you.

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Quote from: taufik123 on December 30, 2021, 05:31:45 PM

Quote from: adzino on December 29, 2021, 07:43:07 PM

It's not the government or the country that spreads the FUD, it's the media that does that all. They spread the FUD by creating various articles that exaggerates everything and creates a confusion. And those media are controlled by some group of people and they do it (probably) on purpose to take advantage of the FUDs. They cause they market to crash and then they buy during the dip. You will see that the same media then starts praising and saying exactly the opposite of what they have said previously and then causes people to FOMO. So yeah, FUD is also a form of financial market manipulation that existed even before BTC was a thing.

Such manipulation practices have often occurred and even occur in all aspects other than cryptocurrencies. People who have a lot of money certainly have control over the manipulation. It was done only for their own benefit, to increase their profit coffers.
The FUD is spread and the price crash is certainly a moment to buy more at the lower price. No market really works naturally, there will be many manipulators trying to control it.

It is a natural that those who have a lot of money will be more powerful and can manipulate. So it's a fact that the crypto market does often have
price manipulation and we can't avoid it. We have to get used to and be able to adapt to the many FUDs circulating in the crypto industry,
which are aimed at benefiting certain parties. So we have to learn how to deal with circulating FUD, we can take advantage of falling crypto prices
by buying some potential coins at low prices, or it could be holding the coins we have if we don't have the money to buy more coins. So as long as
we understand how crypto works, it seems there's no need to worry if there are FUDs floating around, because we already understand what steps
we have to do when there is FUD.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 30, 2021, 04:02:38 PM

Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

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I won't say that the governments are deliberately doing this to benefit or demeans some specific set of people, but yes apart from government, the news companies, the social media pages and almost everyone around us, they are just involved in manipulation of the market and I am sure they are heavily paid for all this, if you see market carefully, the biggest pumps happen when everyone is so bullish about the market and worst dumps happen when everyone is so bearish on the market.

They created the hypes, the FUDs, and everything that would affect the price. Manipulation is really happening around, not only in crypto but it was also happening in the stock market. We have to accept that we are also benefiting from this and we gonna live this forever as this can never be stopped anymore.

Even though we think that Bitcoin is decentralized but to see wasn't 100% untouchable. Yeah, it is all just a word but in reality, manipulation is somewhat in touch with it, and besides, I am even happy to see this as the market seems to be more alive and in progress.

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Quote from: adzino on December 29, 2021, 07:43:07 PM

It's not the government or the country that spreads the FUD, it's the media that does that all. They spread the FUD by creating various articles that exaggerates everything and creates a confusion. And those media are controlled by some group of people and they do it (probably) on purpose to take advantage of the FUDs. They cause they market to crash and then they buy during the dip. You will see that the same media then starts praising and saying exactly the opposite of what they have said previously and then causes people to FOMO. So yeah, FUD is also a form of financial market manipulation that existed even before BTC was a thing.

Such manipulation practices have often occurred and even occur in all aspects other than cryptocurrencies. People who have a lot of money certainly have control over the manipulation. It was done only for their own benefit, to increase their profit coffers.
The FUD is spread and the price crash is certainly a moment to buy more at the lower price. No market really works naturally, there will be many manipulators trying to control it.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

If any country do the fud it means regulations and ban.
Its a fud and fud is market manipulation.

Its fraud against other traders.
Fud is fraud fudsters will make price go down to buy cheaper to sell others higher.

Russia china and india are 3 countries now whos suspected of fud.
How the goverment can ban or place over you any regulations if those rules and regulations are only for profit for their own profit their own people its a corruption on highest level.

Any fud and regulations are fud and fud is made for market manipulation by constitution those who get involved in this they are involved in market manipulation.

Why do they show to us like they really protect people rights and do good things?
If its pure fraud to just manipulate markets are those country heads who make markets down will refund to those traders who are outside of those countries ?

Btc is most manipulated asset and shows that only those who are in power can do others whatever they want not by motivation of justice or order but only for their own gain.

Unfortunately regulators in countries like the USA or places in Europe are not beholden to cryptocurrency owners. They are free to create new laws as they see fit for the benefit of their citizens. If the new laws, or discussion of new laws, moves markets then that is somewhat irrelevant. The regulators themselves need to be monitored to make sure they're not profiting due to corruption from such announcements, but outside of that it is not and should not be their concern as to whether an asset may fall or rise based on their decision. If they decided to restrict a certain asset in future and they had research saying that longer term it would protect more people after short term suffering, then that is what they should do.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on December 29, 2021, 06:35:40 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on December 29, 2021, 05:42:27 PM

FUD is different from fraud and you can't stop that from happening in the market. If you're looking at the most manipulated market, look at the medical supplies and drugs. We're in a pandemic and people are also talking about how manipulated it is. As for bitcoin, it's not just the FUD that has been said that manipulates it, also it includes the miners, the news and most of the time a few talks from those well known people that seems to be a path finder for the people as they invest in bitcoin.

FUD will always be a part of any market, not only in crypto.
To avoid being affected by this, you need to educate yourself about the real happenings in the market.
Learn what are the facts surrounding a specific project and you will understand that most FUDs are baseless.
Small cap coins are the ones that can highly be manipulated but btc for example, are hard to manipulate as you need huge money to move it at least a percent in the market.
Educate. Learn. That's the secret of not getting panic in this market. The more you know about the project, the better decisions you can execute.

You are right and you could also see this on forex and stocks market on where these fuds and manipulative kind of sentiments or fundamentals does exist which means
you should really be preparing yourself out in terms of these things as part of the challenges that you would need to face up and get used to and find out on how you
would gonna deal and make out actions according to your own experience and awareness. Sustaining is that matter most but majority do really have
a hard time in doing so which it isnt really surprising.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

If any country do the fud it means regulations and ban.
Its a fud and fud is market manipulation.

Its fraud against other traders.
Fud is fraud fudsters will make price go down to buy cheaper to sell others higher.

Russia china and india are 3 countries now whos suspected of fud.
How the goverment can ban or place over you any regulations if those rules and regulations are only for profit for their own profit their own people its a corruption on highest level.

Any fud and regulations are fud and fud is made for market manipulation by constitution those who get involved in this they are involved in market manipulation.

Why do they show to us like they really protect people rights and do good things?
If its pure fraud to just manipulate markets are those country heads who make markets down will refund to those traders who are outside of those countries ?

Btc is most manipulated asset and shows that only those who are in power can do others whatever they want not by motivation of justice or order but only for their own gain.

I won't say that the governments are deliberately doing this to benefit or demeans some specific set of people, but yes apart from government, the news companies, the social media pages and almost everyone around us, they are just involved in manipulation of the market and I am sure they are heavily paid for all this, if you see market carefully, the biggest pumps happen when everyone is so bullish about the market and worst dumps happen when everyone is so bearish on the market.

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Quote from: mk4 on December 29, 2021, 10:57:56 PM

Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 11:19:22 AM

Legimate or not any regulation or ban or limits will be bad influence to price.
And they dont do it motivated by right or wrong but just profit reasons.

So you're saying that we should just outright ban the spread of negative news despite it being legitimate/factual? Yea, imagine a world where a centralized authority has the power to just ban the spread of negative information. That would most definitely be GREAT. /s

I mean... they're sorta making progress. It's slightly less absurd than their idea to make regulators ban sideways price movements. Grin

It's possible we should just become accustomed to Voxo2222 "the price isn't doing what I want it to" threads. I suspect there's going to be hundreds of them, sadly. Maybe a mod could merge them all together into one great big heap of derp.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on December 29, 2021, 06:35:40 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on December 29, 2021, 05:42:27 PM

FUD is different from fraud and you can't stop that from happening in the market. If you're looking at the most manipulated market, look at the medical supplies and drugs. We're in a pandemic and people are also talking about how manipulated it is. As for bitcoin, it's not just the FUD that has been said that manipulates it, also it includes the miners, the news and most of the time a few talks from those well known people that seems to be a path finder for the people as they invest in bitcoin.

FUD will always be a part of any market, not only in crypto.
To avoid being affected by this, you need to educate yourself about the real happenings in the market.
Learn what are the facts surrounding a specific project and you will understand that most FUDs are baseless.
Small cap coins are the ones that can highly be manipulated but btc for example, are hard to manipulate as you need huge money to move it at least a percent in the market.
Educate. Learn. That's the secret of not getting panic in this market. The more you know about the project, the better decisions you can execute.

I agree that FUD is everywhere and there are those people that would like to make FUD for everyone to panic. And if the majority panics, they're successful in what they're trying to do for their advantage. Just like in bitcoin, most of the FUD that has happened in the past came from those popular personalities, and later on, little did we know, they're already stacking a lot of bitcoin to their own advantage. They speak ill against bitcoin but it's for their advantage so that they can buy at a cheap price in favor of them and as result of the FUD they've made.

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Maybe it's just a coincidence whenever they announce their regulations, the BTC price will rise or decrease depending on what kinds of regulations they are announcing to the public especially in China. as everyone says, it's not the FUD we usually know because these countries are taking some actions based on their own research and this is not just coming up with their leaders, it took some long talk with their financial advisers and any other expert in the country before finalizing it and issued it to make regulations out of it.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

If any country do the fud it means regulations and ban.
Its a fud and fud is market manipulation.

It's not Fud instead that is reality of life , they will ban bitcoin according to their beliefs and evaluations.

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Its fraud against other traders.
Fud is fraud fudsters will make price go down to buy cheaper to sell others higher.

Russia china and india are 3 countries now whos suspected of fud.
How the goverment can ban or place over you any regulations if those rules and regulations are only for profit for their own profit their own people its a corruption on highest level.

Lol it is not suspected FUD , instead those country does not believe in the capacity or the volatility of crypto
that is why they are not wanted crypto to enter their countries.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 11:19:22 AM

Quote from: mk4 on December 29, 2021, 10:46:41 AM

Legitimate news isn't "FUD". We call something "FUD" if there's misleading news/information that's being intentionally spread to scare bitcoin holders. Not literally every single negative news is "FUD" lmao.

Legimate or not any regulation or ban or limits will be bad influence to price.
And they dont do it motivated by right or wrong but just profit reasons.

So you're saying that we should just outright ban the spread of negative news despite it being legitimate/factual? Yea, imagine a world where a centralized authority has the power to just ban the spread of negative information. That would most definitely be GREAT. /s

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OP seems misunderstood how FUD works and government works.
FUD for me is something is a negative effect on Bitcoin that is not TRUE. If a particular government implements some law about the restriction of using Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies then we can't do about it. It will become FUD if some people or entities spread false information that will cause negative effects on Bitcoin.

Overall, Bitcoin is decentralized, even though they will ban it, people still can use Bitcoin as it was built as decentralized.

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Quote from: Voxo2222 on December 29, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

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Why do they show to us like they really protect people rights and do good things?
If its pure fraud to just manipulate markets are those country heads who make markets down will refund to those traders who are outside of those countries ?

It's not just government who do that.
the market can't go upward every time, sometimes correction period has to be come.
During the correction moment, the government started FUD to manipulate the price that's why they can buy the dip.
Newspaper and media are another culprits, they always want to color any issue they got, that's why people attracted to their news and they got more read time, this is their business.
And I don't wanna tell anything about whales, they are big water fish always hunger to buy dip sell high.

yes, I got your points, it's actually not fraud, they want to move money. cause you know too much idle money is risky for them, they want moving money to keep remain their progress.
that's why they made FUD, cause they want people to use their money instead it keeping idle.

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I don't think the governments are crafting and implementing regulations against Bitcoin just so that they could manipulate the market. I don't think countries ban Bitcoin on the basis of trying to manipulate the market. I think it's a matter of disagreement. And there are fundamentals reasons behind it. Primary of which is the fact that Bitcoin is beyond their influence and control. Governments are expected not to embrace a currency that somehow diminishes their power. It takes a paradigm shift for them to do that.

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It's not the government or the country that spreads the FUD, it's the media that does that all. They spread the FUD by creating various articles that exaggerates everything and creates a confusion. And those media are controlled by some group of people and they do it (probably) on purpose to take advantage of the FUDs. They cause they market to crash and then they buy during the dip. You will see that the same media then starts praising and saying exactly the opposite of what they have said previously and then causes people to FOMO. So yeah, FUD is also a form of financial market manipulation that existed even before BTC was a thing.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on December 29, 2021, 05:42:27 PM

FUD is different from fraud and you can't stop that from happening in the market. If you're looking at the most manipulated market, look at the medical supplies and drugs. We're in a pandemic and people are also talking about how manipulated it is. As for bitcoin, it's not just the FUD that has been said that manipulates it, also it includes the miners, the news and most of the time a few talks from those well known people that seems to be a path finder for the people as they invest in bitcoin.

FUD will always be a part of any market, not only in crypto.
To avoid being affected by this, you need to educate yourself about the real happenings in the market.
Learn what are the facts surrounding a specific project and you will understand that most FUDs are baseless.
Small cap coins are the ones that can highly be manipulated but btc for example, are hard to manipulate as you need huge money to move it at least a percent in the market.
Educate. Learn. That's the secret of not getting panic in this market. The more you know about the project, the better decisions you can execute.

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