Topic: BTC Futures Manipulation (Read 425 times)

Long and short positions in futures / margins are reasonable, and examples of decisions assumed by the OP by making decisions in two opposite directions in a short amount of time are also normal actions. Decisions of 1-2 whales will not permanently affect the price psychology and prices will always move in a consolidative manner, futures are contract systems, I think traders also know the difference with the others.

Well, Bitcoin's price is regrettably controlled by the whales, that's why the market is volatile due to they certainly have the biggest countable of Bitcoin and maybe other cryptocurrencies like, Ethereum , Bitcoin cash, Ripple. Plus, Bitcoin's future is linked to these whales and some governments like, US and China. Unfortunately, we have nothing to change and we are just watching the market and waiting for the appropriate moments in order to make the right decision ( buying in a big dip  or selling in a big pump ).

I agree that if its illegal or not depends on the country you are in as well, I mean some countries don't care about bitcoin at all but they do care about billion dollars going out of their own pockets (money leaving nation) so in the end you might be in trouble. Everyone is forgetting how many bitcoins or billions required to change bitcoin enough to make profit.

Like you would need "red alert" level of money to do this, no nation in the whole world would allow you to play with one billion dollars, they will ask you where that money is or what are you doing with that money. The idea at the same level could apply to a low level altcoin for example, you can pump and dump an altcoin and nobody would mind, hell people have been doing that for years now and nothing happened, however for bitcoin that is impossible.

We cannot deny the fact that these are really happening. Since by nature its a decentralized manipulation, those that has huge investments are more likely to dominate it. Its quite unfair or something but these people are just being who they are up to there capacity. Of course its there right and opportunity as well. If we in there position we'll surely do what they do now. Human as we are we all find ways to be great and we have no contentment. For small investors like us, we'll just do whatever we can have. In the end, we still earn even a little but most importantly we are happy of it.

Manipulation will certainly be arises in the future in crypto. It is already been started and it is getting more stronger by now. It is really disappointing how the regulatory board let this thing happen but that is all about. Only we have to get preferred coz the time will come that whales will play again. Only I'm afraid if the government will control the entire market and change everything into centralized in form.

To protect yourself from market manipulation, you should use minimal leverage in trading. If you do not understand the market and just hope for luck, then it is better to allocate an amount that you can afford to lose in margin trading. In any case, it is better to start trading without leverage on a spot market.

BTC Futures is very difficult to manipulate it usually depends on its price. BTC prices are falling because the demand for BTC is very low. If people overdo it then the price will eventually rise. Investing in crypto has reduced the risk of many investing now. But its character is not possible to remove the whole Puri it is possible to increase the price of BTC if the market remains stable.

I think the factor that many rich people did not do that strategies because they are only practical. All we know that crypto investment is very risky, and there is a big possibilty that government will ban the crypto so it is big problem in side of businessman or rich people. So I think there is no man even the richest man will do that so it is impossible that this is the reason why of price fall.

IMPORTANT:
Let's say leverage is a trap. first if you look at it you will see a epic amount of profit you can get.
but "playing with leverage is like playing with fire." between my friends 80% of money they on leverage.
If you trade normally even if you lose you can hold your cheap coin and sell then later even after 1 year. but in futures when you lose you will liquid you money.
I would highly recommend you to just invest 20% of your balance or even less.
and when you are doing this, never be greedy about the profits you get.
crypto markets are moving too fast even if you don't use futures and now imagine you make it X125 faster!
Even for most experience traders they usually avoid using it.
I imagine you are going to climb a ladder what you do?! 1. Moving slowly but strongly 2. Ignoring some steps and moving too fast.
Obviously, if you chose the option "1" this will tale longer but "YOU WILL" reach top of the leader. Believe me, people in option we fall one day. sooner or later, but they will.
In the other hand you should take care about your life. do you want a stressful life and always keep worrying about losing all your money?
Some people say "If you risk more you will get more rewards." and It's true. But always remember the "RISK" part and what kind of risk you are going to take. Before knowing any technical strategy money management and the risk management is much more important.
I'm just saying this because I lost too much money on it and I don't want other people to lose.
In the end you are the only choosing for your investments and I'm just giving suggestions.
Sincerely

Depends on which nation you are in as well. Doing this from USA is quite illegal, because USA has SEC and they do care about your bitcoin trading as well, if you manipulate even bitcoin market and make money from it, SEC will give you a penalty worth quite a chunk of your profits.

But like everyone said, this can't be done due to lack of volume in the market, as soon as you throw money at the market that is equal to current all volume, you will cripple the market to freezing and you won't be able to make money, you could possibly use it to increase it just a slight bit instead of making huge movements and that is the max you can do without hurting the market. Hopefully no whale would read this because if even one of them ever tries it, we will have a horrible market in recovery for years for sure.

I know SEC try to protect their citizen and never allowing their people invest with wrong investment project, SEC have been long time when hype project keep running and many time SEC make hype project hold their balance with  SEC regulation, now they try to give little space for bitcoin and not make bitcoin good destination for investing.

The SEC isn't protecting anyone. It's extremely hard to build up a case against certain entities that are said to manipulate the market. It's a false sense of security people think the SEC provides. If you lose money, you still have lost money even if the SEC manages to build up a case against the manipulators. They're not an insurance company.

Another thing is that we have plenty enough evidence where the SEC hands out fines but doesn't take any further action. The fines paid are an absolute joke compared to the profits that have been generated, so what incentive is there for people or companies to follow the rules? It's far more profitable to break the rules with how the fines are just a few % of the actual profits generated. 

It feels like a Market manipulation because you can control the price and the time when you will buy and sell. It is impossible for someone hold a huge amount of btc, it is very hard to mine and buy because of its uncertainty in price. The whales are the secondary enemy when it comes to bitcoin. First, is the Market because it is very hard to understand and control the market.

Whales can either lose or win the games because of the strategies they perform. They took advantage of the moment and doesn't let anyone hold some. That's why it is very impossible to hope for a better circumstances in bitcoin.

And we also know the market status and don't feed our small capital to them. Manipulation tends to happen only when we allowed it to happen, if not (just like following hypes) it eventually they will never succeed. But it is so sad to think that some of us here want instant and quick returns, but the result is totally a deniable loss to their ends.

SEC only protecting people from pump and dump group that give a false signal and wanted profit from scamming people. For those whales on the market I'm not sure SEC will consider it as fraudulent activity, even if it's group of whales.

And yes, put all in one basket is the worse thing. Those whales (or group of whales) is organized, they know how to shake the market sentiment just thru order book.

Generally, fewer trader knows what these whales can do with our small capital and I believed that they're fearless. They're not merciful on small traders, but more often times whales won't bite you off if it's not their moment of harvest. You should be more smarter to determine their signs of dominations towards the market. Decentralized market experience on trading is great but we need to be careful and vigilant with our actions.

Without the SEC or investor protection organization, we certainly will never get fair trade.  Trade was originally called gambling and now our odds of losing are higher and higher as whales constantly use their bitcoins to manipulate.  It is also one of the dangers of trading in a decentralized market, so I advise people not to be all in and to manage their capital well.  The whale is always stalking you and it can swallow you at any time.

Yes, even I think the same. Only the big whales are the one's who have accumulated at the approximate dips and now are holding majority of bitcoins into their bags just looking for an opportunity to empty their bags once the price hikes a lot giving them access profits.

In these kind of markets, small amount traders get usually manipulated as until they come to know the trend of the current markets, the markets change their direction according to the big whales which might leave small volume traders on an edge of loss. But yet, each small volume trader too can have a chance to fill their bags with profits if they could understand the market phenomenons.

It may sound easy for small scale investors still huge amount of money can get the market easily manipulated. Billions of dollars can be doubled up, trust me, if that person only knows what to do and when to do it. Such huge amount can set traps to center the speculation and then out, just like that. Things are pretty easy when you have money, that's the reality.

It is legal since we are talking no rules about that, they can do whatever they want with their money and it's up to them to decide where they are going to take it. But I doubt the price of bitcoin is reflected from this, speculation is still the core of its price we just have to admit that there are just unequal effects.

still legal because the futures system moves in the accumulation of contracts, traders can make decisions with a variety of leverage offered. Traders are accustomed to the averaging process to determine various profit positions, concentrating everything in one order and so on will only make losses, several times it looks successful, but you will see the opposite in the next order.