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I would like to get opinions from everyone. Would MiningCo.ETF benefit from including Win.Avalon?

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/winavalon-closed-194793

Seems the initial offering is going to be priced much higher than the cost of equipment, maybe not terrible, but I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling reading the posts. My biggest concern is someone else being paid 10% of income to maintain the equipment.  People should be paid for their time, but something like creativex has setup for bASIC-MINING retaining a share for every 4 sold allows him to participate with the shareholders just seems fair, and would rather participate with those doing the work, not someone contracting the work out like Win.Avalon

What about ASICMINER-PT? Or maybe the fractional pass-throughs are better vehicles for the fund. I know you felt it was overpriced back at 0.75, and has since doubled, and then some and has maintained a higher than others dividend. The income has increased noticeably each week while all other issues decline.  The NAV has surged over time in anticipation of ASICs to arrive, and 50% of our issues will have Avalons next week it seems. BFL will ship right after the cows come home, and I am waiting along with them for a single as well.

I understand the desire to seek new issues that fit the objective of the fund, I just feel without some exposure to ASICMINER it will be a never ending battle against difficulty.
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wisard recently put a group-buy of 4 Avalons (batch 3) up on Bitfunder

https://bitfunder.com/asset/Win.Avalon


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If the equipment is ever sold in the future, proceeds from it will be divided amongst all existing shares equally.

This might fall under the category of a Mining Company.

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Shares issued via BitFunder do not represent equity ownership in any real-world business entity.
The shares are solely a distribution mechanism for rights to profits.

But this does not.


I would like to get opinions from everyone. Would MiningCo.ETF benefit from including Win.Avalon?

Original topic.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/winavalon-closed-194793
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all the motions they've presented have only destroyed shareholder value.

I agree that Cognitive should stick with what they got (BFL pre orders). That's why MININGCO.ETF has voted "no" on the motions. And the 10GH Asicminer Blade for BTC50 is just extortion. Freidcat knows this and can get away with it because no one else on the planet is currently selling a competing product.

MININGCO,ETF has companies that are heavy in BFL (Cognitive, Nasty) and Avalon (bASIC-MINING, GMP). As long as someone somewhere gets an ASIC device, we will be in a much better position. All the latest news indicates that this will be happening soon.
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Cognitive currently has motions open to readjust its ASIC device purchases, including ordering a ASICMINER Blade 10GH device. At ~50 Bitcoins, it's expensive.
Avalon looks to be shipping batch 2. This will help GMP and later bASIC-MINING.

Cognitive is a dog with fleas of our assets, I've said it before, saying it again, all the motions they've presented have only destroyed shareholder value. Avalon batch 2 is confirmed shipped, are GMP and bASIC-MINING in that batch?

bASIC-MINING's batch 2 order was placed on Feb 3, the 2nd day batch 2 was open.
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Cognitive currently has motions open to readjust its ASIC device purchases, including ordering a ASICMINER Blade 10GH device. At ~50 Bitcoins, it's expensive.
Avalon looks to be shipping batch 2. This will help GMP and later bASIC-MINING.

Cognitive is a dog with fleas of our assets, I've said it before, saying it again, all the motions they've presented have only destroyed shareholder value. Avalon batch 2 is confirmed shipped, are GMP and bASIC-MINING in that batch?
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Total dividends of 0.04877388 (management fee waived) will be paid this week.
I waived the management fee this week to try to help our dividends as much as possible.

This week, our dividends took a big hit. With the Difficulty increasing and only 1 5GH ASIC device mining, all of our underlying assets are trying their best to keep up.
Nasty Fans also implemented a 25% growth fund this week, which will help in the long run but hurt our dividends even more.

There has been a small sell off all underlying assets except GMP.

This has caused the NAV per share to decrease to BTC0.73



Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

Cognitive currently has motions open to readjust its ASIC device purchases, including ordering a ASICMINER Blade 10GH device. At ~50 Bitcoins, it's expensive.
Avalon looks to be shipping batch 2. This will help GMP and later bASIC-MINING.
BFL says that they will ship "soon." So nothing new there.  Roll Eyes




MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
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Taking bitcoin mining to everybody


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My advice: If you were going to play a big chunk on SatoshiDice and are interested in CloudHashing, just use your gambling money to buy contracts.

Fantastic advice Sherlock!!

Just so you know, we will also be using Avalon for our expansion amongst others. Our 2 TerraHash Avalon miner should hopefully be operational by June end. We did this via Terrahash.com.

Existing contract holders will benefit with some contracts starting earlier than the July published date.

Kind regards
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Total dividends of 0.08429394 (management fee waived) will be paid this week.
I waived the management fee this week to try to help our dividends as much as possible.

This week, all of our underlying assets have increased in price despite that there are no major ASIC devices mining. This is mostly due to the lower BTC/USD value.

This has caused the NAV per share to increase to BTC0.75



Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

Our dividends continue to diminish, but it is now only a matter of time before our underlying companies get going with ASICs. The question is: when BFL?




MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
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Total dividends of 0.09411221 will be paid this week.

This week, COGNITIVE has continued its recovery. All other underlying assets have remained stable.

This has caused the NAV per share to increase to BTC0.69



Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

Last week I mentioned that BFL has started shipping their smallest ASIC devices.
Congrats to Nasty Fans for being the first of MiningCo's underlying assets to get an ASIC device mining. OgNasty is mining with his personal Jalapeno for Nasty Fans. Thank you!
Now, it looks like it's only a matter of time before BFL and Avalon will deliver their 60GH devices so all of our underlying assets can really get going.




MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
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April 24, 2013, 02:48:22 PM
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Total dividends of 0.08685662 (management fee waived) will be paid this week.
I waived the management fee this week to try to help our dividends as much as possible.

This week, with the news of BFL finally shipping.... something, all of our underlying assets are recovering, especially COGNITIVE.

This has caused the NAV per share to increase to BTC0.68



Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

With BFL starting to ship, confidence in them and mining companies heavily invested with them are up all around. However, I am still disappointed that they have only released their "smallest" ASIC devices.




MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
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April 18, 2013, 10:38:55 PM
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Thank you for your input. Looking forward to more dividends.
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April 18, 2013, 03:31:24 PM
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This was the first bitcoin denominated dividend I've ever received. Thanks Carnth!

Congrats!  Cheesy
Hopefully, once the mining companies get their ASCI hardware we can get bigger dividends!


On a side note, would you mind sharing your thoughts on the new business cloudhashing.com? Looks like some good returns are possible with it, but I'm still not 100% sure it is legit.

No one can seem to figure out if they are legit. Plus, they are going to be using BFL rigs. And no one can seem to figure when BFL will ship.
And, they are very expensive.

My advice: If you were going to play a big chunk on SatoshiDice and are interested in CloudHashing, just use your gambling money to buy contracts.
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April 18, 2013, 07:47:29 AM
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Looks like some good returns are possible with it
Not really (I don't expect BFL to ship anytime soon), but I'm pretty confident they are legit - otherwise I won't be advertising it.
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April 18, 2013, 12:48:21 AM
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This was the first bitcoin denominated dividend I've ever received. Thanks Carnth! On a side note, would you mind sharing your thoughts on the new business cloudhashing.com? Looks like some good returns are possible with it, but I'm still not 100% sure it is legit.
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April 17, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
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We just need some good old-fashioned BTCtalk drama to hype it up.  Can you start a flame war with TradeFortress or MPOE-PR, or maybe leave the country and disappear for a while?   Grin
That tends to only happen with crap assets / issuers Cheesy
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April 17, 2013, 06:33:35 PM
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Woot!  Thanks for the good news Carnth.   Smiley

This is a highly undervalued security IMO, given its exposure to bASIC and Glari Mining.

It wouldn't hurt if BFL ships (I mean really actually ship, not that BS alpha test) sometime before the heat death of the universe either.   Roll Eyes

We just need some good old-fashioned BTCtalk drama to hype it up.  Can you start a flame war with TradeFortress or MPOE-PR, or maybe leave the country and disappear for a while?   Grin
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April 17, 2013, 03:23:55 PM
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Total dividends of 0.09104909 (management fee waived) will be paid this week.
I waived the management fee this week to try to help our dividends as much as possible.

This week, the action at Avalon is pushing two of our underlying assets to new highs.  GMP is now over 1 BTC and bASIC-MINING is at an all time high.
Of course the dramatic fall of BTC vs USD has something to do with it as well.

This has caused the NAV per share to increase to BTC0.65



Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

ASCIMINER has started to auction their 10Gh/s devices and the action at Avalon is heating up for shipping batch 2.
Hopefully dividends are not far behind.
BFL?  Hello? Anyone there?




MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
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April 10, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
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Total dividends of 0.0775801 (management fee waived) will be paid this week.
I waived the management fee this week to try to help our dividends as much as possible.

This week, the increasing value of BTC vs USD, has taken a small toll on our underlying assets. 

This has caused the NAV per share to decrease to BTC0.63



Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

The value of BTC vs USD has never been more volatile. I just checked the price, and it's at $165. It was at $250 less than 12 hours ago.
Swings this big and this fast are not good. They may help traders on the exchanges, but it hurts the Bitcoin economy as a whole.
Price stability helps an economy become stronger.




MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
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April 04, 2013, 11:29:55 AM
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it seems that BitFunder and Weexchange are having problems right now (I get CloudFlare "website offline" error).

I will keep trying....

I finally got through, dividends on the pass-through have been paid.
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April 04, 2013, 10:40:31 AM
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Quick Update:

Everyone on btct.co has been paid their dividends.
Usually, I pay dividends for the BitFunder pass-through shares on the next day.
But it seems that BitFunder and Weexchange are having problems right now (I get CloudFlare "website offline" error).

I will keep trying....
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