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legendary
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Hi Greg!

After all, the purpose of a pass-through is to add some sort of value, usually in the form of access via a different exchange, or occasionally to provide fractional shares, etc. However, in this case, the pass-through is not providing additional value via a presence on a different exchange, and I'm guessing that holders of the pass-through aren't holding it just to have someone else convert LTC to BTC for them. Is there some other raison d'etre that I've just plain missed along the way?

I started this PT to offer BTCT users a way to invest into CM and my initial plan was to establish an autonomous share transfer system between the PT and the underlying, to build a bridge between LTCG and BTCT. After the announcement of BTCT's closure my first impulsive thought was to shut down this PT and suggested that people move over to LTCG. Though there were some users without an LTLG account and very soon later CM decided to go the direct share route. Some transfered their shares, others did not. At that point I decided to simply continue with direct shares as well and see where it all leads to. The PT is small and therefore the fee is marginal, but it's not a big deal and I like the idea of being involved. There is non hidden agenda or similar. Wink

Does this answer your question?

For context, I mention all this as someone who wound up his own 2000 BTC fund swiftly in the aftermath of the exchange closures, specifically because I felt that was the right thing to do for participants. Now I get that you've been very public in bizarrely ridiculing me, my competence, and the very fact I ran a fund at all -- without the courtesy of ever speaking with me directly, or making any actual arguments, or even levelling your ridicule while I happened to be present. If that's your thing, that's your thing -- but I hope you will take this specific question about the pass-through as a critical but constructive one, and answer it directly, rather than merely taking another opportunity to dump on me personally.

I'm shocked. This forum, Reddit and IRC are the only channels I use to communicate about something Bitcoin related. I crawled through my posts to see, if there is something that might be interpreted in a negative way, but I only stumbled this post I made in one of your threads where you asked about ways to "short mining". I followed your IPO passively, but stopped reading the thread after some time and with that you spaced out of my center of attention, so to speak. I never engaged knowingly in ridiculing or dumping on you and I'm confused now, so may I ask: what are you talking about or referring to?

To make this clear, I never had or have a negative grudge against you and also I think most of your posts have a high amout of valuable information. I'm happy to clear any misunderstandings, if there are any.

Edit: feel free to contact me via PM or email at [email protected], if you prefer those.
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Mining is still a niche - preorders and shipping delays are very common and there are not many producers. I think the trend of a very rapidly rising difficulty will go, because where money can be made, people will try to make money. ASRock announced two funny mainboard for GPU mining recently, which might be a precursor for "well known" hardware producers to step in.



Hahah, I feel kind of bad for Asrock, they probably started work on that thing 9,10 months ago when GPU mining was a realistic option.

It's still pretty useful for litecoin mining though, someone should let them know about it so they can market it there.
sr. member
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More information about CipherMine's exchange are revealed. I highly suggest to check out the following thread:

Actually, dexX7, that brings up a question that's been floating around behind the scenes for quite awhile now: is there some reason you're still running a pass-through at all, rather than converting these all to direct shares?

After all, the purpose of a pass-through is to add some sort of value, usually in the form of access via a different exchange, or occasionally to provide fractional shares, etc. However, in this case, the pass-through is not providing additional value via a presence on a different exchange, and I'm guessing that holders of the pass-through aren't holding it just to have someone else convert LTC to BTC for them. Is there some other raison d'etre that I've just plain missed along the way?

If Kate is as successful in sorting out the morass of legal issues as she says she will be, and manages to list her security on her own exchange, there would obviously be little point in a pass-through -- unless you actually have plans to pass-through to somewhere else relevant... Is that the rationale for keeping it going?

(For context, I mention all this as someone who wound up his own 2000 BTC fund swiftly in the aftermath of the exchange closures, specifically because I felt that was the right thing to do for participants. Now I get that you've been very public in bizarrely ridiculing me, my competence, and the very fact I ran a fund at all -- without the courtesy of ever speaking with me directly, or making any actual arguments, or even levelling your ridicule while I happened to be present. If that's your thing, that's your thing -- but I hope you will take this specific question about the pass-through as a critical but constructive one, and answer it directly, rather than merely taking another opportunity to dump on me personally.)
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Great info, thanks dex.

Very cool news about the CipherTrade exchange plan, this sounds very promising.
legendary
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This weeks dividend

We received a total dividend of 65.35927745 LTC for 5369 shares. This results in 0.54642697 BTC dividend for this pass-through, given an exchange rate of 0.00880038 LTC/BTC and a 3.26796387 LTC fee.

Transaction: 78a33753219aa0722379902623ab00d591ed00927b2fe51f92ac839a75de2ac2

Posted on the Litecoin forums:

Quote from: WoodTech

Dear All,

This week we brought in a total of 29.44 BTC, or €10,034. After costs; power/hosting €423, bond interest €505 and depreciation of €747; that leaves a profit of £8,360. That has bees paid out as 1,339 LTC (€3.12/LTC).

€4,926 has been added to the hardware reinvestment fund, which now stands at a grand total of €13,090.

GPGPUs are still not looking like they will be ready imminently, and in the mean time BTC's meteoric value increase has made SHA256 mining again look very appealing. I therefore believe we should spend our reinvestment fund on more ASIC mining gear for the time being.

HashFast are still my preference, but they are no longer offering their Miner Protection Programme (which, by the way, we stand to profit extremely handsomely from - all 8 x 400 GH/s BabyJets and 4 x 1.2 TH/s Sierras we have on order were bought with MPP) and CoinTerra's pricing is looking much more appealing (and their delivery dates are not much different).

I have therefore done some due dilligence on CoinTerra and have satisfied myself that they are a solid bet. They are therefore where we will most likely spend the h/w reinvestment fund. I'm giving HashFast until tomorrow evening to respond to a request for a special deal.

Kate.

CipherTrade news

More information about CipherMine's exchange are revealed. I highly suggest to check out the following thread:

Request for input on CIPHERTRADE, a new multi-coin securities exchange
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,7176.0.html
legendary
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Dex, could you give us your opinion of where CipherMine will be in 6 months?  

On a scale of 1 to 10, where are we right now in terms of our mining capacity vs where we want to be when all of our rigs that have bee pre-ordered are online and hashing away?

Oh, I'm very sorry, I missed that post. But it's a tough question to be honest.. Grin

I really can't foresee a timespan of six months and probably not even one month. Bitcoin is on the rise and still very far away from being "mainstream" or "widely used", but things like Bitcoin ATMs for example are huge in my opinion and in 2014 we will probably see more and more of them, which is a good thing for regular users. Mining is still a niche - preorders and shipping delays are very common and there are not many producers. I think the trend of a very rapidly rising difficulty will go on, because where money can be made, people will try to make money. ASRock announced two funny mainboard for GPU mining recently, which might be a precursor for "well known" hardware producers to step in.



CipherMine has more than 10 TH on order and it looks like that HashFast is finally making progress.

The list is probably not complete, but to give you an overview:

Miners hashing:
  • 1 x 60 GH/s Batch 1 Avalon miner
  • 1 x 60 GH/s Batch 3 Avalon miner
  • 100 x Ztex 1.15y clones
  • 10 x Quad 1.15y Ztex
  • 6 x Cairnsmore CM1s
  • 6 x Quintuple Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X GPU rigs
  • 2 x Quad Sapphire 7950 Dual-X GPU rigs
  • 1 x Quad Gigabye 7970 GPU rigs
  • 1 x Quad mix GPU rig
  • 9 x 400 GH/s BitFury units
  • 2 x 550 GH/s KNC Jupiter units

Those units are on order:
  • 8 x 400 GH/s HashFast BabyJet with Miner Protection Program
  • 8 x 400 GH/s HashFast BabyJet Upgrades
  • 4 x 1200 GH/s HashFast Sierra with Miner Protection Program

Hope I'm not mistaken. The list was constructed based on previous posts and docs.ciphermine.com/orders.

I'll send the dividend in a few minutes with a summary of the recent events. Smiley
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Dex, could you give us your opinion of where CipherMine will be in 6 months?   

On a scale of 1 to 10, where are we right now in terms of our mining capacity vs where we want to be when all of our rigs that have bee pre-ordered are online and hashing away?
legendary
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Additional information

Quote from: WoodTech
I decided to roll the two deferred weeks (week to 3rd Nov and week to 11th Nov) into one so that the dividends got the benefit of rising BTC prices in the calculations. CipherMine has benefited from the rising price (our bot has been holding of course) so that seemed fair.

During the period we generated a total of 67 BTC, and using the BTC price last Sunday that's a revenue of €16,470. This was lower than it should have been, mainly due to the aforementioned power issues. Less depreciation, power/hosting and bond interest costs leaves a profit of €14,835, 50% of which is dividends.

At a price of €3.00/LTC that made 2,214.80 LTC in dividends. A further €8,100 has been added to the hardware reinvestment fund, which we're leaving in the hands of our BTC trading bot for the time being rather than spending.

For more information on how dividends are calculated please refer to the business plan / shareholder contract or previous explanations in this thread.

I've not yet caught up with everything post-honeymoon so don't know the state of play re. GPGPUs.

Kate.

Cheers! Wink
legendary
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Dividend

Kate is back and we received a total dividend of 108.10237455 LTC for 5369 shares. This results in 1.02324808 BTC dividend for this pass-through, given an exchange rate of 0.010098 LTC/BTC and a 5.40511872 LTC fee.

Transaction: e5d5d08e446df24b12481b193bf0ed5d1d61f6e50a7760b1e53ee1131da30b71

This is what Kate said:

Quote from: WoodTech
Dear All,

I'm back in the UK from my honeymoon, but fly out to Berlin this afternoon. I intend to do the two delayed dividends before I depart.

Apologies in advance but I don't have time to respond to all the comments while I've been away. I have had the zeitgeist update from my team though.

To those that have been patient, thank you. To those that have not, I remind you that a) I was abundantly clear that there would be a hiatus; b) the contract terms actually states that we shall do dividend payments at least once a month. That I do them weekly is merely being generous to you all, and in our many months of operation there have only been three occasions when I have not made a weekly payment on or near the usual time of Sunday evening. Given that it still requires some manual effort and we don't have the convenience of an exchange to do it, the easy route would have been for me to revert to monthly payments during this transition. That is not in your interests, so you should be grateful I have not done so.

I will have more news about the new exchange (CipherTrade.com) soon and hope to be able to make a big announcement at the weekend. Be assured that work has continued apace and CIPHERMINE and CIPHERMINE.B1 will soon be liquid and tradable again.

Apologies re. the power outages. In part this was a bizarre issue with the BitFuries causing their PSUs to shut down inexplicably, and partly due to a major power outage at our new Memset offices. Our new data centre there is not complete; the UPSes and generators are on-site but not yet wired up. The offices will soon be powered from that resilient infrastructure. Unfortunately we cannot put the BitFuries in our current facility mainly because they are very delicate and require constant fiddling (reseating boards and such). They are not data centre compatible hardware. To minimise impact we have split the infrastructure between two geographically diverse sites though so that an outage at either won't take us completely offline.

More soon re. divi payments soon. Need a cup of tea now! Wink

Kate.
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Hi folks,

I was away for a few months, and came to know about BTCT and Litecoin global closedown only during the last few days.

Could someone please explain how I can get my CIPERMINE shares on BTCT and Litecoin Global?

Thanks!
legendary
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Thanks!  Litecoin doubling this week can only be good for CipherMine shareholders!

A good chuck of CIPHER's income are probably SHA coins like Bitcoin, but I agree! Though my biggest fear is that the coins were converted to fiat. Kate has this bad habbit and seems to prefer it over coins, but of course that's just a very wild guess and without any indication or basis. Wink

I'll keep you updated, when I hear something.
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Thanks!  Litecoin doubling this week can only be good for CipherMine shareholders!
legendary
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Hi all,

just wanted to give you a no-update. I'm still waiting for the dividend and it will be sent out as soon as possible.

Quote from: analbeard
Sorry guys, with the gear being in Memset's datacentre and Kate being away, both Ross and I are the only ones who have access to it and both of us have been away this weekend.

https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,4582.msg51932.html#msg51932
legendary
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This weeks dividend

CipherMine sent out 1,661.9909 LTC as dividend. We received a total of 81.04309091 LTC for 5369 shares. This results in 0.90729305 BTC dividend for this pass-through, given an exchange rate of 0.0118 LTC/BTC and a 4.05215454 LTC fee.

Transaction: 823a4daf757ca1fd603d97d391b63a8550c8d5522157c1ece747600ce9c148aa
legendary
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KnCMiners arrived yesterday

The KNCMiners arrived yesterday and team Ciphermine is now hashing with approx. 4.6 TH/s. Potential fluctuations on BTC Guild are probably due to power issues. According to analbeard some of the BitFuries are moved tomorrow, so expect our hashrate to drop for a couple of hours from around 1500-1600 GMT.



Exchange situation

According to Kate there is some progress related to the exchange situation:

We are in the late stages of creating a new exchange in partnership with a few other major issuers.

Neo also announced that they started investigations into launching their own regulated securities exchange:

We have spent time investigating the legal requirements and viability of establishing our own regulated securities exchange (CySEC), we have decided that this is something that we will now pursue further down the line once Neo & Bee has achieved sustainable growth as this is our highest priority. This is a viable business that can be open to US investors once certain barriers have been removed (JOBS act), certain barriers would still exist for US based investors but we would address them closer to the time.

Interesting times ahead. Wink
legendary
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This weeks dividend II

We received a total of 83.56116364 LTC for 5369 shares. This results in 0.78271742 BTC dividend for this pass-through, given an exchange rate of 0.00986 LTC/BTC and a 4.17805818 LTC fee.

Transaction: 682cde2e5b96fa8196733fbca11532eeea7bc317f06ee05b1d127593ef574e5a
legendary
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This weeks dividend

From Kate on the Litecoin forums:

Quote from: WoodTech

Hashrate fluctuations

The hashrate fluctuations are due to two things:

1) Me experimenting with multipool and switching some miners to other SHA256 coins (we've got a couple of the BitFuries running bfgminer now)

2) Some down time in the last few days. For some reason the rigs were randomly shutting down. The PSU was behaving as though it had been tripped despite the power meter at the wall saying 1,100 watts (they are Seasonic 1,250 W gold, so top end). Having reshuffled the PSUs and restarting them by disconnecting the motherboard connector (which goes nowhere - just to link the boot pins) they appear to be stable. Keeping an eye on them to try and figure out what the issue is, but they have been stable for the last 24 hours.

Dividends

Revenues this week: €5,800.
Profits: €4,580
Dividend: €2,290 -> 1,712 LTC
H/W reinvestment: €2,730 (now €8,890)

Hardware reinvestment

Following the discussions on the other thread, and having confirmed that it would not change the Miner Protection Program, I have placed orders for an additional 8 HashFast Golden Nonce chips for our BabyJets. They all have an additional socket, and at $1,500 per 400 GH/s chip it was too good value to ignore. That brings our hardware reinvestment fund down to -$314 (there was a $500 shipping charge).

Since it is quite a lot of LTC to buy and volumes are slack on BTC-E on a Sunday evening, I'm leaving the trade to complete overnight so we get a better price and will send the dividends tomorrow.

Kate.

I'll send out the BTC nominated dividend, after Kate sent out the dividend, to be sure the number of 1,712 LTC is accurate.
legendary
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Any word on our KnCs?

Not really. Our orders have order id #4442 and #5119. AFox maintains a list with order ids, dates and shipping time and looks like this whole range is still not yet shipped. The clock is ticking though.. Wink

Quote from: KnCMiner
All current paid orders will be shipped no later than October 15th.

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-33
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Any word on our KnCs?
legendary
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I would suggest increase the interval of dividend payments as too much small transections will incure fees to the receiver.

Actually that's fine, I think. The last transaction fee was 0.0002 BTC and transported a value of 0.27857587 BTC, that's less than 0.1 % and the dividend should go higher for the next weeks also. Wink
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