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legendary
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Message from Kate to CIPHERMINE shareholders on Litecoin-Global:

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Dividend error, moving rigs, bond and pass-thru

Dear Investors,

Dividend report

We have seen continued difficulty rises across the board recently, as well falling XPM revenues. This has been compounded by difficulties with the GPU rigs recently (see below). However, I rushed last night's dividend payment (I had been out all weekend and only returned Sunday evening) and as a result made mistakes. Profits for the period were €652, so the dividend payment should have been LTC 174, not LTC 135. This error was due to me putting in a USD/LTC rate in the EUR/LTC field.

The other obvious error was that the dividend was sent twice. I'm not sure how this happened since I remember it appearing to fail the first time. Again, I should have been more careful. This sort of error is normally unlikely to happen since I normally only transfer exactly the amount +0.1 LTC into CipherMine's LTC Global account, but being in a hurry I had sent 300 so I could run the calcs while waiting for the deposit to confirm, intending to withdraw the balance today.

The net result is that dividends have been overpaid by LTC 96. I cannot reclaim the overpayment nor do I feel it is fair to deduct it from next week's dividend so I will take this from my own cut of the CIPHERMINE dividends and put it down as a learning experience. This is my third crypto-cockup in a week (first selling 25 BTC of personally purchased CIPHERMINE.B1 at 0.3 BTC, second sending 3k ANC to a XPM address :/) and I'm hoping the "bad things come in threes" rule applies!

Moving and rig instability

Memset recently moved offices from Guildford to Dunsfold Aerodrome where we have lots of very cheap, renewable power. The new data centre is behind schedule so the rigs are not in there yet but we could not put them in even if we wanted to because our excessively paranoid SIRO wrote the security policies such that nothing combustible be allowed in it, including things like GPU rigs in wooden frames or plastic crates. Yes, I'm the SIRO - hoisted by my own petard! FYI, at the old offices we had an unused secure server room which is where the CipherMine gear was living; we had anticipated the new DC (which is in the ground floor of Memset's new building) being ready by the time we moved the offices (on the first floor).

That doesn't matter since we don't need much cooling just yet and the offices are massive so we have the gear safely stashed with good cooling and now mostly renewables-powered! :) In order to minimise downtime for the mining gear the office move the lads actually brought CipherMine's equipment to my home first, is only 1.5 miles away from the old offices, so I could look after it while the inevitably chaotic move happened. I didn't mention this before because I preferred not to advertise that I temporarily had tens of thousands of Euros worth of kit at my home!. ;) While I have good security measures they are vastly inferior to Memset's. Anyway, that bit of the downtime was minimal. Last week we then moved them to Dunsfold which only involved about an hour in total.

However, during the moves three of the rigs became unstable. In the end Ross and Simon completely dismantled the faulty ones and rebuilt them, and they now appear to be stable again. This has meant they were offline for a while, but it was a worthwhile investment of downtime. We are going to rebuild them again soon using aluminium frames using some bits from our friendly competitors BUY-A-HASH (extra-long PCIE risers) and S.OPENRIGS (they make adaptors to allow rigs to be built using aluminium tubing). This downtime did not help last week's numbers.

Partly as a result of this we've not had time to properly assess mtrlt's not-very-good GPU miner. Our cursory examinations led us to conclude that it was not worth switching all the GPU rigs over to it in a panic, but investigation continues. Unfortunately it may be completely useless. Jan should be deploying the next update of primecoind to the VM grid in the next couple of days too (HP10 I believe).

Bonds

Our pre-IPO investor has delivered the remaining 400 BTC for CIPHERMINE.B1 earlier than agreed, so we have collected all 1,000 BTC as planned. I spent most of it immediately at a price of around $120 (including some losses during conversion). Total proceeds were €89,900 (it is approximate since some of the spend was in BTC). The proceeds have been spent as follows:

2 x 400 GHs BitFuries (due October) @ €6,500 each -> €13,100 (CM-BF-03)
8 x 400 GHs HashFast BabyJets w MPP (20th-30th October) @ €4,120 each -> €33,550 (CM-HF-01, CM-HF-02)
4 x 1,200 GHs HashFast Sierras w MPP (late November) @ €10,490 each -> €41,950 (CM-HF-03)

Total: €88,600, reminder €1,300 (added to the hardware reinvestment fund).

Pass-thru

Finally, I'm delighted to announce that a pass-thru has been created and now approved on BTC Trading Co (CIPHERMINE-PT). If you should wish to move some of your LTC Global CIPHERMINE shares onto BTC Trading Co now you can. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Dexx for his work, both to date and ongoing, in making this pass-thru for us.

Kate.

Cheers!


Edit:

I decided to forward the double dividend and I will do it in the future again, if something similar happens. CIPHERMINE-PT shareholders are equal to CIPHERMINE shareholders and I think it would be unfair to not do it or even to delay the dividend till someone posts an explanation. Any form of "gentlemans agreement" (like there is an accidently overpayment of 100x and shareholders decide to return a fraction) would have to be discussed and negotiated with each shareholder, but not with the operator. It's not my role to take a special position or to intervene here on my own. Please let me know, if you disagree. ;)
legendary
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Dear shareholders and potential shareholders,

it has been two days since CIPHERMINE-PT started on BTCT and I want to give you an overview of the past days and what is to expect in the nearer future. I'm not sure yet about the format, but I want to publish similar shareholder reports frequently.


Where we are now:

The "IPO" was a success and within less than 2 minutes all 1000 shares found a buyer. They say pictures are worth more than 1000 words, thus I'll leave you with some charts for an overview of recent trading activity:

LTC/USD, source: BTC-E via Cryptocoin Charts


BTC/USD, source: BTC-E via Cryptocoin Charts


BTC/LTC, source: BTC-E via Cryptocoin Charts


CIPHERMINE, source: Litecoin-Global


CIPHERMINE-PT, source: BTC Trading Corp.

Edit: There seems to be a minor displacement due to a different timezone used in NinjaTrader.


Dividend:

The first dividend was issued some minutes ago with an exchange rate of 0.02031 BTC/LTC. A fee of 5 % or 0.7738 LTC has been withheld. Actually it's a double dividend this time and I'm sure Kate will address this soon. Wink

Dividend received on Litecoin-Global:


Dividend issued on BTC-TC:



Share transfers:

5144 shares were transferred in and 58 shares were transferred out. I strongly support arbitrage and I will try to process share transfers as fast as I can, but right now I'm doing this manually. In a shorter timeframe, but rather sooner than later, I'm looking forward to set up a share transfer bot to provide a way to exchange CIPHERMINE and CIPHERMINE-PT shares instantaneously and to build a constant bridge between the Bitcoin and Litecoin worlds. Though I'm not interested in delivering a sloppy solution and when I hand over the control over the transfers (and related accounts) to a bot, I want to be absolutely sure that everything behaves as expected and the risk of unwanted behaviour is minimized.


Volume and spread:

While the IPO went off very smooth and fast, I'm not satisfied with the trading volume and the gap between bids and asks is quite huge. This has been a problem on Litecoin Global also, though CIPHERMINE is one of the most traded securities over there. I hope we will gain more attention on BTCT in the future and offering an autonomous share transfer serivice might be a niche to achive this. Any suggestion and comment regarding this topic is very welcome.


Public Q&A:

It has been asked before and I discussed it with Kate:

We will do a public "question and answer" session soon, most likely on IRC. More details and a fixed date and time will be announced with a sufficient leadtime.


Cheers!
legendary
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All share transfers in queue have been processed and the total number of outstanding shares is 3018 6086.
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legendary
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So am I correct in interpreting that posted Bids won't be put through until 6* hours? And only ASK orders will be filled?

e: or is that transfers between here and the other exchange for Cipher?

I will process transfers in approximately 6 hours, till than there are only 1000 shares to trade and it's out of my hand how things evolve.

Thanks to everyone, the last ask was filled at 16:01:37 UTC, which basically means the initial PT batch of 1000 shares was sold in less than two minutes.
hero member
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So am I correct in interpreting that posted Bids won't be put through until 6* hours? And only ASK orders will be filled?

e: or is that transfers between here and the other exchange for Cipher?
The pass through is live now.  If your bid matches an ask, your bid will be filled immediately.  The BTC TC home page reads: Queued share transfers will be processed in both ways manually 6 hours later.  So if you wish to transfer shares or PT shares between exchanges dexX7 will be manually processing them 6 hours later. 
sr. member
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So am I correct in interpreting that posted Bids won't be put through until 6* hours? And only ASK orders will be filled?

e: or is that transfers between here and the other exchange for Cipher?
legendary
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Trading of CIPHERMINE-PT starts in approximately 10 minutes:

https://btct.co/security/CIPHERMINE-PT
legendary
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The higher volume and depth on BTCT justifies a premium on it's own and a living example for this is ActiveMining on BitFunder vs. BTCT, but actually there is another reason to raise the price slightly above the trading price in Litecoin which might not be that obvious at first:

Let's reverse the scenario and assume I would choose a price significantly lower than the price on Litecoin Global. A profitable move for current holders (on LTCG) would be to sell some of their shares at the higher price and buy back-in with a discount on BTCT. With a higher price on another exchange the transfer out of BTCT also becomes more favorable. Of course it's not that static in reality, but I think it's obivous that the outcome in this scenario would be exactly the oppsite of what I like to induce.

The explicit announcement of the initial selling price as well as the leadtime is intended to achive something similar, but the other way around, as well as the limitation of share transfers in the first hours to prevent an oversaturation.

I'd happy about any discussion and further input is very welcome. Wink

Cheers!

P.S.: Thanks TAT!
hero member
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good points TAT
shares at at 3ltc on ltcglobal now with a 2000 bid at 2.75 - i think it's all "priced" accurately for time being
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I'm going to chime in here, somewhat in the issuer's defense.


First, you do not know what he paid for his shares (I wouldn't be surprised if he's already taking a loss at .06).

Second, people vastly underestimate the costs and time involved in running a security, and running one properly.

Third, if you factor the overhead of time and expense (and LTC exchange rate risks in this case), then consider that the issuer is indeed doing this to turn a profit, it becomes clear that the public would have a tough time agreeing on and understanding what a fair price is.

Fourth, consider that the shares on LTCG may be mispriced themselves due to low volume or such.

Fifth, consider buying the shares on LTCG if you think they are a better price.

Sixth, no one has to buy shares they feel are overpiced, on any exchange.


Happy trading!
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Buyers please be aware that .06 Btc/share at an exchange rate of 49.5 Litecoins: 1 Bitcoin you are looking at purchasing shares of ciphermine at 2.97 litecoins, which is 20.7% higher than the current highest bid on LTC-Global (https://www.litecoinglobal.com/security/CIPHERMINE) (2.46). Would have been cool if dex didnt try to jimmer potential investors but heh. In any case, use due diligence before investing.
yep, the price of CIP at BTCT is too high. 0.05B is more reasonable.
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Buyers please be aware that .06 Btc/share at an exchange rate of 49.5 Litecoins: 1 Bitcoin you are looking at purchasing shares of ciphermine at 2.97 litecoins, which is 20.7% higher than the current highest bid on LTC-Global (https://www.litecoinglobal.com/security/CIPHERMINE) (2.46). Would have been cool if dex didnt try to jimmer potential investors but heh. In any case, use due diligence before investing.
legendary
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I'm very pleased to officially announce the successful listing of this pass-through!

Trading will start on 2013-09-13 at 16:00 UTC (that's 12:00 EDT [2013-09-13], 00:00 CST [2013-09-14]) and I will place an initial amount of 1000 CIPHERMINE-PT shares for sale for 0.06 Bitcoin per share. Please be aware that bids placed on or higher than 0.06 Bitcoin will be filled immediately.

Queued share transfers will be processed in both ways manually 6 hours later (22:00 UTC [2013-09-13], 18:00 EDT [2013-09-13], 06:00 CST [2013-09-14]) in the order "first-come, first-served". I hope this is fair for all time zones and satisfies both short-term investors, arbitrageurs as well as those who already hold CIPHERMINE shares on LTC-GLOBAL.

To transfer shares in or out please send me a private message here on bitcointalk.org or an e-mail to [email protected]. Please include the following information: amount of shares to be transferred, account name from where shares are sent, account name to where shares should be transferred and the e-mail address used for the registration on LTC-GLOBAL/BTC-TC.

After the request message has been sent, please transfer the exact amount of shares to the LTC-GLOBAL/BTC-TC account CipherMineTransfer via the internal transfer mechanism.

For the case that you are wondering, why I chose exactly this time for the trading start.. Wink



P.S.: Thanks to all LTCG moderators for the fast approval!
sr. member
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So when are you going to be putting the shares up for sale?

24 hours after he announces.
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So when are you going to be putting the shares up for sale?
legendary
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Alternatively, investors can use Cryptsy to exchange BTC for LTC. Currently the ask price for LTC differs about 0.1% between the two exchanges (in favour of BTC-E), but this can obviously fluctuate. As far as I know, Cryptsy doesn't have limitations for withdrawal of cryptocurrencies.

Thanks for the tip! Smiley


Kate posted an update via the asset news channel on Litecoin Global a few minutes ago. I think I'll make it a habit and forward relevant news in the future on regular basis.

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Bond successful

Dear Shareholders,

I'm delighted to be able to tell you that our bond issuance was successful (see CIPHERMINE.B1 on BTC TC). As in that security's news thread, in the end I decided to issue all 100k bonds since we can effectively insure ourselves against difficulty with HashFast's (my preferred supplier) Miner Protection Programe.

I have this morning spent the first 600 BTC on four 1.2 TH/s Sierra batch 2 units, due to begin shipping end of November and an additional two 400 GH/s BitFury full mining kits, due to ship next month.

I have also submitted a refund request for the 3,250 Avalon ASICs so although we will not longer get that early boost to hashrates we can at least hopefully spend the funds elsewhere. In summary we now have:

  • 9 x 400 GHs BitFuries & 2 x 400 GHs KNCs due in October - 4.4 TH/s total
  • 8 x 400 GHs HashFast BabyJets due to ship 20th-30th October - 3.2 TH/s total
  • 4 x 1,200 GHs HashFast Sierras due to start shipping 30th November - 4.8 TH/s total

That gives us a grand total of 12.4 TH/s due to arrive in the next 1-3 months. The vast majority of that is also protected by HashFast's MPP, which means that if difficulty is more like my worst-case scenario, we potentially quintuple our total hashrate (in other words, if diff rises slowly we're good and if diff rises fast we're good).

I will be updating our asset register and providing proof of purchases in due course. I am also finalising a new version of the business model that takes an economics approach to predicting difficulty, and I think I now have a robust best- and worst-case scenario model (predicting where computing efficiency will go in response to price-elasticity and market demand is essentially the topic of my PhD so I am determined to come up with an adeqate model!).

I am also considering another bond similar to CIPHERMINE.B1 but in LTC on this exchange (Litecoin Global). As with BTC and SHA256 mining, we would be insured against LTC's appreciation by the productivity of the purchased hardware (in this case GPU rigs) improving beyond that. I shall be carefully modelling this before taking action and also wish to wait until any volatility in LTC's price as a result of Goxification has passed.

Kate.
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​Please keep in mind that there is a three day withdrawal limitation on BTC-E and you need an active account there, if you do want to do blind arbitrage and want to use BTC-E to buy Litecoin.


Alternatively, investors can use Cryptsy to exchange BTC for LTC. Currently the ask price for LTC differs about 0.1% between the two exchanges (in favour of BTC-E), but this can obviously fluctuate. As far as I know, Cryptsy doesn't have limitations for withdrawal of cryptocurrencies.
legendary
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Hi all,

I was asked per e-mail about the initial selling price of CIPHERMINE-PT shares and if potential investors are better off to buy shares right now on the Litecoin Global Exchange or wait till CIPHERMINE-PT starts on btct.co.

For transparency reasons, I'll give you a headsup here as well:

I will do an announcement 24 hours before the official trading of CIPHERMINE-PT on btct.co starts, including the price for which an initial batch of 1000+ CIPHERMINE-PT shares are placed for sale. I will use the price on Litecoin Global as orientation, though I can say right now it will have a small premium to the current price to induce arbitrage oppertunities.

​Please keep in mind that there is a three day withdrawal limitation on BTC-E and you need an active account there, if you do want to do blind arbitrage and want to use BTC-E to buy Litecoin.

Cheers!
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Glad I'll be able to use BTC to purchase CiperMine now, instead of the laborious (and fee-drenched) process of sending BTC to BTC-e, converting to Litecoin, then back to LTCGlobal.com. 

This security has been a rollercoaster, but I'm holding until at least Novemeber to see what kind of dividends they can churn out when everything starts humming along.
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