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Topic: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE - page 13. (Read 238096 times)

sr. member
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Trading is halted now for two days, what's the plan?
Clear and timely communications would help, whatever you decide.
Trading is not halted for PETA-MINE (it was halted just before we launched yesterday).
member
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Trading is halted now for two days, what's the plan?
Clear and timely communications would help, whatever you decide.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
I understood that you were early investor of cointerra and as such should have access to favourable bulk pricing.

can you comment on this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3040506

Excluding 20% additions Cognitive mining is claiming to be purchasing same hashrate as your IPO @ BTC64,500 ($7,656,000) less? - BTC52,833 if you count 16.6k shares brought up
As angel investors in CoinTerra we were not able to negotiate a deal of 1PH for BTC3000. I think there is something wrong regarding the numbers Cognitive mining is stating.
member
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To summarize our offering (and hopefully remove all confusion and misinterpretation).

- CryptX will issue 100,000 PETA-MINE shares, each share represents 10GH/s
- For each share sold, CryptX will invest in an additional 2GH/s, up to $1.3M. We will be buying up to 16,666 shares ourselves and won't receive dividend payouts until public shareholders have earned back their initial investment of 0.65BTC/share.

I understood that you were early investor of cointerra and as such should have access to favourable bulk pricing.

can you comment on this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3040506

Excluding 20% additions Cognitive mining is claiming to be purchasing same hashrate as your IPO @ BTC64,500 ($7,656,000) less? - BTC52,833 if you count 16.6k shares brought up
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
To summarize our offering (and hopefully remove all confusion and misinterpretation).

- CryptX will issue 100,000 PETA-MINE shares, each share represents 10GH/s
- For each share sold, CryptX will invest in an additional 2GH/s, up to $1.3M. We will be buying up to 16,666 shares ourselves and won't receive dividend payouts until public shareholders have earned back their initial investment of 0.65BTC/share.
newbie
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With your math earlier, you showed that PETA-Hash was only 5% better than a Perpetual Mining Bond, and the above math shows that in a similar fashion to all available PMBs out there, there will not be a return.

Not even 5% better than DMS ... that argument was completely discarding ALL the daily dividends that DMS would be paying from now until December (which incidentally is the bulk of the dividends it will ever pay).  Buying the DMS bond now would be much more profitable than PetaMine and I'm with FloatesMcgoates that even DMS.Mining will not ROI.  According to current calculations (Coinish in expert mode), 5MH/s should be around 0.0023 these days to break even.
full member
Activity: 238
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And if you assume you get the extra 20% instantly (which is not going to be the case),

then
(0.00985932*7)+(((0.00985932/1.25)*12)/.25) = .4476 BTC, which still doesn't cover the initial cost.



With your math earlier, you showed that PETA-Hash was only 5% better than a Perpetual Mining Bond, and the above math shows that in a similar fashion to all available PMBs out there, there will not be a return.
full member
Activity: 238
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This is quite literally hosted-mining 2.0

Why do people think they can value their company at multi million dollar levels when they have absolutely nothing?

They aren't valuing their company at "multi million dollar levels" any more than a bucket would be valued at $10,000 if you were to place $10,000 in it.

They are simply collecting money to purchase mining equipment with which they will reinvest funds.

If you were to place $10,000 on a bucket, you would be valuing that bucket at $10,000 - and nobody would buy it because nobody else thinks the bucket is worth 10 grand.

Similarly, Cryptx has valued Peta-Hash at over 8 million dollars when it currently has absolutely nothing - and nobody is buying into it because nobody thinks that Cryptx is worth 8 million.

This is a simple group buy where people with money pay someone else to buy equipment, maintain it and distribute profits so they don't have to.  That's it.

I personally don't want to have to maintain hardware at my house, nor do I have access to cheap power (.17 usd/kwh here).  This is an easy way to throw money at mining and let someone else do all of the work. Mining is just a small % of my overall bitcoin portfolio (maybe 10%) so this was a no hassle way to go.

It appears that I am in the minority as not very many shares are being sold, and that is ok.  I'll take my btc and invest in a different security.. or maybe I'll invest in some Cointerra hardware myself... No harm no foul.  But I would rather this IPO hit 30k shares so I can have my little piece of the pie without having to host the equipment.

Lets do some calculation and see if you revise your sentiment -
Assuming 25% Difficulty increases (lower than the last few and the next projected increase - all around 30), by mid December 1 MH/s will be able to mine less effectively by a factor of 9.31322574615478515625, essentially 1 MH/s now would be the same as 9.31 MH/s in mid December.

Take DMS.Mining at .0032 btc/share

DMS.Mining = 5 MH/s
1612.90 MH/Btc Current
This is the equivalent of 15016.099 MH/Btc in mid December

Take PETA-hash at .68 btc/share
PETA-hash = 10000MH/s
In mid December, this would equate to 14705.88 MH/Btc


As you can see even at this point, PETA-hash is less profitable than a Perpetual Mining Bond. This does not even take into account how you can purchase DMS.Mining right away and begin receiving dividends nor does it take into account the possibility of reinvesting the dividends into the much lower price of DMS.Mining as time goes on.


So Peta-hash is worse than a PMB that I think even now is overvalued.



I'm honestly trying to understand your point. But my math isn't jiving with your math.

You are saying that DMS.mining is currently @ .0032/share and is worth 5 MH/s.

According to my math, you can buy 312.5 shares @ .0032/share for 1 btc for a total of 1562.5 MH or 1.5625 GH/BTC

I haven't run the difficulty numbers, but lets assume in december the total network hashrate will be 9.31 x what it is now (your estimate).  That would mean that 1 btc worth of DMC.Mining now would be worth 14.546875 GH in December.

With Peta-mine, we have the ability to pay .65 btc for 10GH in december or 15.3846 GH/btc which according to my math is more than 14.546875 GH you would have with DMC.Mining.

That isn't even taking into account the reinvestment that Peta-mining is planing to invest in order to stay somewhat consistent with the overall network hash rate.  Over time, your initial .65 investment will be much more than 10GH.

I used .68 on accident rather than .65.

10 GH in december in today's terms is the equivalent of 1.0741138560687432867883995703545 GH
1 MH/s currently pays 0.00000765 Btc, so a share of PETA-hash in today's equivalency would pay 0.0082161 per day
Using infinite geometric series calculations,
(0.0082161*7)+(((0.0082161/1.25)*12)/.25) = 0.37301094000000004540

So over its entire lifetime, 10 GH in december will only pay out .373 BTC
legendary
Activity: 994
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This is quite literally hosted-mining 2.0

Why do people think they can value their company at multi million dollar levels when they have absolutely nothing?

They aren't valuing their company at "multi million dollar levels" any more than a bucket would be valued at $10,000 if you were to place $10,000 in it.

They are simply collecting money to purchase mining equipment with which they will reinvest funds.

If you were to place $10,000 on a bucket, you would be valuing that bucket at $10,000 - and nobody would buy it because nobody else thinks the bucket is worth 10 grand.

Similarly, Cryptx has valued Peta-Hash at over 8 million dollars when it currently has absolutely nothing - and nobody is buying into it because nobody thinks that Cryptx is worth 8 million.

This is a simple group buy where people with money pay someone else to buy equipment, maintain it and distribute profits so they don't have to.  That's it.

I personally don't want to have to maintain hardware at my house, nor do I have access to cheap power (.17 usd/kwh here).  This is an easy way to throw money at mining and let someone else do all of the work. Mining is just a small % of my overall bitcoin portfolio (maybe 10%) so this was a no hassle way to go.

It appears that I am in the minority as not very many shares are being sold, and that is ok.  I'll take my btc and invest in a different security.. or maybe I'll invest in some Cointerra hardware myself... No harm no foul.  But I would rather this IPO hit 30k shares so I can have my little piece of the pie without having to host the equipment.

Lets do some calculation and see if you revise your sentiment -
Assuming 25% Difficulty increases (lower than the last few and the next projected increase - all around 30), by mid December 1 MH/s will be able to mine less effectively by a factor of 9.31322574615478515625, essentially 1 MH/s now would be the same as 9.31 MH/s in mid December.

Take DMS.Mining at .0032 btc/share

DMS.Mining = 5 MH/s
1612.90 MH/Btc Current
This is the equivalent of 15016.099 MH/Btc in mid December

Take PETA-hash at .68 btc/share
PETA-hash = 10000MH/s
In mid December, this would equate to 14705.88 MH/Btc


As you can see even at this point, PETA-hash is less profitable than a Perpetual Mining Bond. This does not even take into account how you can purchase DMS.Mining right away and begin receiving dividends nor does it take into account the possibility of reinvesting the dividends into the much lower price of DMS.Mining as time goes on.


So Peta-hash is worse than a PMB that I think even now is overvalued.



I'm honestly trying to understand your point. But my math isn't jiving with your math.

You are saying that DMS.mining is currently @ .0032/share and is worth 5 MH/s.

According to my math, you can buy 312.5 shares @ .0032/share for 1 btc for a total of 1562.5 MH or 1.5625 GH/BTC

I haven't run the difficulty numbers, but lets assume in december the total network hashrate will be 9.31 x what it is now (your estimate).  That would mean that 1 btc worth of DMC.Mining now would be worth 14.546875 GH in December.

With Peta-mine, we have the ability to pay .65 btc for 10GH in december or 15.3846 GH/btc which according to my math is more than 14.546875 GH you would have with DMC.Mining.

That isn't even taking into account the reinvestment that Peta-mining is planing to invest in order to stay somewhat consistent with the overall network hash rate.  Over time, your initial .65 investment will be much more than 10GH.
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
This is quite literally hosted-mining 2.0

Why do people think they can value their company at multi million dollar levels when they have absolutely nothing?

They aren't valuing their company at "multi million dollar levels" any more than a bucket would be valued at $10,000 if you were to place $10,000 in it.

They are simply collecting money to purchase mining equipment with which they will reinvest funds.

If you were to place $10,000 on a bucket, you would be valuing that bucket at $10,000 - and nobody would buy it because nobody else thinks the bucket is worth 10 grand.

Similarly, Cryptx has valued Peta-Hash at over 8 million dollars when it currently has absolutely nothing - and nobody is buying into it because nobody thinks that Cryptx is worth 8 million.

This is a simple group buy where people with money pay someone else to buy equipment, maintain it and distribute profits so they don't have to.  That's it.

I personally don't want to have to maintain hardware at my house, nor do I have access to cheap power (.17 usd/kwh here).  This is an easy way to throw money at mining and let someone else do all of the work. Mining is just a small % of my overall bitcoin portfolio (maybe 10%) so this was a no hassle way to go.

It appears that I am in the minority as not very many shares are being sold, and that is ok.  I'll take my btc and invest in a different security.. or maybe I'll invest in some Cointerra hardware myself... No harm no foul.  But I would rather this IPO hit 30k shares so I can have my little piece of the pie without having to host the equipment.

Lets do some calculation and see if you revise your sentiment -
Assuming 25% Difficulty increases (lower than the last few and the next projected increase - all around 30), by mid December 1 MH/s will be able to mine less effectively by a factor of 9.31322574615478515625, essentially 1 MH/s now would be the same as 9.31 MH/s in mid December.

Take DMS.Mining at .0032 btc/share

DMS.Mining = 5 MH/s
1612.90 MH/Btc Current
This is the equivalent of 15016.099 MH/Btc in mid December

Take PETA-hash at .68 btc/share
PETA-hash = 10000MH/s
In mid December, this would equate to 14705.88 MH/Btc


As you can see even at this point, PETA-hash is less profitable than a Perpetual Mining Bond. This does not even take into account how you can purchase DMS.Mining right away and begin receiving dividends nor does it take into account the possibility of reinvesting the dividends into the much lower price of DMS.Mining as time goes on.


So Peta-hash is worse than a PMB that I think even now is overvalued.

Edit: As Dhenson points out below, the math above is slightly incorrect by the tune of 5% because I used .68 in error when I should have used .65 - it should be noted that PETA-Hash is still unprofitable given these numbers and moderate estimates of difficulty growth
legendary
Activity: 994
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This is quite literally hosted-mining 2.0

Why do people think they can value their company at multi million dollar levels when they have absolutely nothing?

They aren't valuing their company at "multi million dollar levels" any more than a bucket would be valued at $10,000 if you were to place $10,000 in it.

They are simply collecting money to purchase mining equipment with which they will reinvest funds.

If you were to place $10,000 on a bucket, you would be valuing that bucket at $10,000 - and nobody would buy it because nobody else thinks the bucket is worth 10 grand.

Similarly, Cryptx has valued Peta-Hash at over 8 million dollars when it currently has absolutely nothing - and nobody is buying into it because nobody thinks that Cryptx is worth 8 million.

This is a simple group buy where people with money pay someone else to buy equipment, maintain it and distribute profits so they don't have to.  That's it.

I personally don't want to have to maintain hardware at my house, nor do I have access to cheap power (.17 usd/kwh here).  This is an easy way to throw money at mining and let someone else do all of the work. Mining is just a small % of my overall bitcoin portfolio (maybe 10%) so this was a no hassle way to go.

It appears that I am in the minority as not very many shares are being sold, and that is ok.  I'll take my btc and invest in a different security.. or maybe I'll invest in some Cointerra hardware myself... No harm no foul.  But I would rather this IPO hit 30k shares so I can have my little piece of the pie without having to host the equipment.
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
This is quite literally hosted-mining 2.0

Why do people think they can value their company at multi million dollar levels when they have absolutely nothing?

They aren't valuing their company at "multi million dollar levels" any more than a bucket would be valued at $10,000 if you were to place $10,000 in it.

They are simply collecting money to purchase mining equipment with which they will reinvest funds.

If you were to place $10,000 on a bucket, you would be valuing that bucket at $10,000 - and nobody would buy it because nobody else thinks the bucket is worth 10 grand.

Similarly, Cryptx has valued Peta-Hash at over 8 million dollars when it currently has absolutely nothing - and nobody is buying into it because nobody thinks that Cryptx is worth 8 million.
legendary
Activity: 994
Merit: 1000
This is quite literally hosted-mining 2.0

Why do people think they can value their company at multi million dollar levels when they have absolutely nothing?

They aren't valuing their company at "multi million dollar levels" any more than a bucket would be valued at $10,000 if you were to place $10,000 in it.

They are simply collecting money to purchase mining equipment with which they will reinvest funds.
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
This is quite literally hosted-mining 2.0

Why do people think they can value their company at multi million dollar levels when they have absolutely nothing?
legendary
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Out of interest... when not all shares are sold the IPO is lost and all shares are paid back? Are the bitcoins locked till the IPO is successful?
When would the IPO be a failure?

I invested not a few bitcoins so i would like to feel a bit safer.

Thanks for your support. The IPO will prove successful with the sale of at least 30,000 shares. If fewer than 30,000 shares sell within 30 days, CryptX will refund the entire IPO to shareholders.



Thirty days could be a double edge sword. Now with the slow selling in the first day, every potential invester needs to consider the risky of locking fund for a long period. They will try to wait until the deadline is closer. Long IPO may just cause long delay.
hero member
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Out of interest... when not all shares are sold the IPO is lost and all shares are paid back? Are the bitcoins locked till the IPO is successful?
When would the IPO be a failure?

I invested not a few bitcoins so i would like to feel a bit safer.
Thanks for your support. The IPO will prove successful with the sale of at least 30,000 shares. If fewer than 30,000 shares sell within 30 days, CryptX will refund the entire IPO to shareholders.
If between 30k & 50k sell at IPO, would the remaining shares from batch 1 go into batch 2, or would they be left on the orderbook at the batch 1 price?
sr. member
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Out of interest... when not all shares are sold the IPO is lost and all shares are paid back? Are the bitcoins locked till the IPO is successful?
When would the IPO be a failure?

I invested not a few bitcoins so i would like to feel a bit safer.

Thanks for your support. The IPO will prove successful with the sale of at least 30,000 shares. If fewer than 30,000 shares sell within 30 days, CryptX will refund the entire IPO to shareholders.

legendary
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Legendary Escrow Service - Tip Jar in Profile
Out of interest... when not all shares are sold the IPO is lost and all shares are paid back? Are the bitcoins locked till the IPO is successful?
When would the IPO be a failure?

I invested not a few bitcoins so i would like to feel a bit safer.
hero member
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Casper - A failed entrepenuer who looks like Zhou
The only reputable member that is doing Group Hash on CoinTerra is this guy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=277836.new;topicseen#new

Other are eithr troll or make no sense coz they are just too stupid and thinks that money grow on tree
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As I feared, this IPO is going nowhere fast.   Undecided

Not even 1% of the shares have moved; this is Hosted-mining all over again.  Too bad, I was hoping for another iCE.DRiLL.   Cry

Moving to the postmortem, two outstanding issues are apparent.

1.  CryptX has no reputation, especially compared to Deadterra.

2.  BTCTC is a kiddy exchange with no deep-pocketed whales, compared to Bitfunder.

I wanted this to get off the ground, but it ain't gonna happen here.  You're doing it wrong.

To add injury to insult, now I have hundreds of coins stuck in BTCT because of their amateurish 'manual withdrawal' process.

I'd like to be buying cheap ACTM shares on Bitfunder, but will instead watch them disappear until Burnside gets around to giving me my money back.
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