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legendary
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July 31, 2016, 11:18:02 PM
The discussions about price do not consider one important caveat, which was amply demonstrated by 'another' coin:

Say, bitcoin split into "Core" and "Classic", which is quite possible. Because of much more difference of opinion, this split could be 70:30 or even 60:40 in relative value. In such case(s), rarely anyone would trade "old" coins that existed before the split because if you don't trade them, you get coins on both chains, similar to a stock split. Rational individual would expect many more such splits to occur in the future, therefore keeping such "old" coins will increase your future wealth.

As a result, people will trade "new" post-split coins furiously, but keep "old" bitcoin for a long time, decreasing liquidity.
Therefore, total value of all bitcoins might be increasing to, say, $5000, but each individual split "bitcoin chain" would have much lesser value and it would be difficult for each participant to know on which chain to purchase coins.

Before the "other" coin split i thought that "there will be only one" scenario as more likely, but now i see that multiple clones or chains can exist simultaneously. I don't particularly like this as it makes economic decisions much more difficult.

This is a good point, but I expect this problem will be avoided with Bitcoin. I think there would already have been a fork if they hadn't considered this possibility. Since the Chinese control 80% of the market, I would suggest the rest of the world will follow. In any case, a Bitcoin Classic would be a much smaller fraction and most likely supported by us stubborn Westerners.

This has happened before with other coins, and eventually they hold outs gave up. Not saying this will happen with Etherium Classic, but I could see the price rising higher and falling very flat, very suddenly.
legendary
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July 31, 2016, 12:14:57 AM
The discussions about price do not consider one important caveat, which was amply demonstrated by 'another' coin:

Say, bitcoin split into "Core" and "Classic", which is quite possible. Because of much more difference of opinion, this split could be 70:30 or even 60:40 in relative value. In such case(s), rarely anyone would trade "old" coins that existed before the split because if you don't trade them, you get coins on both chains, similar to a stock split. Rational individual would expect many more such splits to occur in the future, therefore keeping such "old" coins will increase your future wealth.

As a result, people will trade "new" post-split coins furiously, but keep "old" bitcoin for a long time, decreasing liquidity.
Therefore, total value of all bitcoins might be increasing to, say, $5000, but each individual split "bitcoin chain" would have much lesser value and it would be difficult for each participant to know on which chain to purchase coins.

Before the "other" coin split i thought that "there will be only one" scenario as more likely, but now i see that multiple clones or chains can exist simultaneously. I don't particularly like this as it makes economic decisions much more difficult.
legendary
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July 30, 2016, 11:18:21 PM
We have seen the surge in the gold's market cap lately. This is just the beginning, the first cracks in the current financial paradigm. The problem with gold is that it is physical and thus poses a psychological problem to mainstream investors when it becomes scarce due to extreme demand. The investors will see that they could physically only acquire a miserable and pathetic looking amount of gold (as it has become "too expensive") so they will run into silver. But silver too, has the same intrinsic problem.

So far, bitcoin's deception has lied in the fact that we are presented the idea that one bitcoin is divisible up to 8 decimal places which gives the false image of a bitcoin being a floating point number. In reality block rewards are represented by unsigned integers. Thus instead of 1 bitcoin one has 100 000 000 satoshis. To break the psychological barrier of 1 bitcoin costing too much we should just switch to satoshis. The latter will be plausible when BTC rises in value.

The market cap of gold is $7,252,708,420,909.
The market cap of bitcoin is $ 6,549,170,380 (0.082% of gold's).

I can say that gold is already psychologically too expensive for an average Joe on the street. Imagine when it grows 5x as it has done previously during financial collapses. Owning a gram of gold doesn't make you feel good about it, it feels sad as it is just a tiny speck. So, naturally, other stores of value will gain popularity. If bitcoin was only 1% of gold's market cap, it would already cost more than 5000$ per BTC. If 1 bitcoin costed 5k, then 1 satoshi would be 0.00005$. The world's least valuable currency Iranian Rial trades at 0.00004$ . So after 5k $ bitcoins it would be nothing new to this world to have satoshis for the main units to represent the value of your bitcoins. The world has already seen such a situation in Iran.

Daily recommended minimum amount of money for food per person is 10.72 $. With 5000$ BTC, a daily meal would then cost 214400 satoshis. Let's be honest, 200 000 is not that big of a number any more to be uncomfortable to use in daily basis. This is also the reason why poor countries could adopt bitcoin more easily. They are already used to making transactions of such order of magnitude in their currency units.

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I think it is likely we will see some smaller country peg their fiat currency to Bitcoin in the near future. I can also see things changing rapidly as 1 Bitcoin eclipses the price of an ounce of gold with stability. There will be a tipping point where it will be more risky not to own some Bitcoin, and the price will rise exponentially.
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July 30, 2016, 12:08:44 PM
We have seen the surge in the gold's market cap lately. This is just the beginning, the first cracks in the current financial paradigm. The problem with gold is that it is physical and thus poses a psychological problem to mainstream investors when it becomes scarce due to extreme demand. The investors will see that they could physically only acquire a miserable and pathetic looking amount of gold (as it has become "too expensive") so they will run into silver. But silver too, has the same intrinsic problem.

So far, bitcoin's deception has lied in the fact that we are presented the idea that one bitcoin is divisible up to 8 decimal places which gives the false image of a bitcoin being a floating point number. In reality block rewards are represented by unsigned integers. Thus instead of 1 bitcoin one has 100 000 000 satoshis. To break the psychological barrier of 1 bitcoin costing too much we should just switch to satoshis. The latter will be plausible when BTC rises in value.

The market cap of gold is $7,252,708,420,909.
The market cap of bitcoin is $ 6,549,170,380 (0.082% of gold's).

I can say that gold is already psychologically too expensive for an average Joe on the street. Imagine when it grows 5x as it has done previously during financial collapses. Owning a gram of gold doesn't make you feel good about it, it feels sad as it is just a tiny speck. So, naturally, other stores of value will gain popularity. If bitcoin was only 1% of gold's market cap, it would already cost more than 5000$ per BTC. If 1 bitcoin costed 5k, then 1 satoshi would be 0.00005$. The world's least valuable currency Iranian Rial trades at 0.00004$ . So after 5k $ bitcoins it would be nothing new to this world to have satoshis for the main units to represent the value of your bitcoins. The world has already seen such a situation in Iran.

Daily recommended minimum amount of money for food per person is 10.72 $. With 5000$ BTC, a daily meal would then cost 214400 satoshis. Let's be honest, 200 000 is not that big of a number any more to be uncomfortable to use in daily basis. This is also the reason why poor countries could adopt bitcoin more easily. They are already used to making transactions of such order of magnitude in their currency units.

bump,

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hero member
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July 29, 2016, 01:37:49 PM
Would be nice. But not gonna happen soon.
Yeah it would be nice but I also do not think that it is going to happen soon because we have still yet to reach $1000.
First we need to reach that before we start talking about anything higher.


Bitcoin needs time and that is very important. The bad thing is that you never know what will happen in the future.
There can be a time that it will rise. But you never know when it will stops and that is quite scary.
hero member
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July 29, 2016, 01:11:16 PM
Would be nice. But not gonna happen soon.
Yeah it would be nice but I also do not think that it is going to happen soon because we have still yet to reach $1000.
First we need to reach that before we start talking about anything higher.

I think the bitcoin price will reach $1000 early next year. The $5000 price could be reached in 2019 or later.
That's not a bad estimate, and I would expect something kind of like that to happen during the first half of next year, but at this point I'm still not convinced by the market. There are no definitive signs right now and the market could swing either up or down, and I think I'll hold off with my predictions until something changes.
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July 29, 2016, 12:57:48 PM
Would be nice. But not gonna happen soon.
Yeah it would be nice but I also do not think that it is going to happen soon because we have still yet to reach $1000.
First we need to reach that before we start talking about anything higher.

I think the bitcoin price will reach $1000 early next year. The $5000 price could be reached in 2019 or later.
sr. member
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July 28, 2016, 01:48:31 PM
Would be nice. But not gonna happen soon.
Yeah it would be nice but I also do not think that it is going to happen soon because we have still yet to reach $1000.
First we need to reach that before we start talking about anything higher.
legendary
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July 28, 2016, 10:57:41 AM
It is interesting that those who don't believe Bitcoin will hit $5k anytime soon just say because it will take time, and don't offer any solid facts.

Almost like they don't understand fundamental economics, or don't want to...

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Here is what it looked like in 1980.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/1980.html

You would have to be living in a fantasy to think this can last much longer.

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2012/12/01/economist_laurence_kotlikoff_us_222_trillion_in_debt_363.html

I'm not sure an exact date can be predicted, but you would have to be pretty clueless to believe there isn't another economic crisis in our near future.

https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2016/07/27/bo-polny-predicts-historic-crash-jubilee-end-day-october-2.html

Something similar to 2008-2009 (and this time it is guaranteed to be exponentially worse), could see Bitcoin at 10 times it's current value in a matter of weeks.



sr. member
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July 27, 2016, 01:36:02 PM
The definition of "soon" based on your post here looks like it will take a lot more years. Bitcoin has barely passed $500 so I don't think that $5000 is near to what the markwt looks like as of today. Maybe after 10 or more years. Cheesy
even not easy after 10 years. you can see that bitcoin is now in very stable condition and the price is stuck there for last a month or two. so i think it is  difficult that the price of bitcoin will reach to 5000$ in next few years. even in next 10 years it is not possible to cross the 5000 USD level.
newbie
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July 27, 2016, 11:14:43 AM
The bitcoin price will rise 50 to 200% per year in the next few years. So $5000 could be reached in 3 to 10 years.

Don't forget that the gold price will also rise in the meantime. Not as strong as bitcoins of course.

That is right. I have some gold. But I have more bitcoins. I hold most of the bitcoins I bought and use some.
hero member
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July 27, 2016, 03:13:57 AM
The bitcoin price will rise 50 to 200% per year in the next few years. So $5000 could be reached in 3 to 10 years.

Don't forget that the gold price will also rise in the meantime. Not as strong as bitcoins of course.
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July 27, 2016, 03:02:28 AM
I think your prediction is not going to happen, maybe you are sleeping and dreaming bitcoin prices reached such
I think it's impossible and it will not happen,
every one bitcoin price $ 5000,
you try to look carefully remove the fee that should be in every transfer of funds bitcoin how if the price is too high
I agree with you. I think today we can not imagine the price of $ 5000, because even bitcoin prices have not reached the $ 1,000 price. probably bitcoin prices will begin to rise in the near future, but despite the price hike next bitcoin exceed $ 1000, I think, is still in need of the time is not fast, to arrive at the price of $ 5,000

Yes and I think it will take more 5 years to achieve that price as its not possible to achieve that price very soon as its really struggling to reach to $1k since long time.

It will take around three to five years to achieve 5000 dollars. It depends on the increase of the usage.
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July 26, 2016, 12:28:42 PM
I think your prediction is not going to happen, maybe you are sleeping and dreaming bitcoin prices reached such
I think it's impossible and it will not happen,
every one bitcoin price $ 5000,
you try to look carefully remove the fee that should be in every transfer of funds bitcoin how if the price is too high
I agree with you. I think today we can not imagine the price of $ 5000, because even bitcoin prices have not reached the $ 1,000 price. probably bitcoin prices will begin to rise in the near future, but despite the price hike next bitcoin exceed $ 1000, I think, is still in need of the time is not fast, to arrive at the price of $ 5,000

Yes and I think it will take more 5 years to achieve that price as its not possible to achieve that price very soon as its really struggling to reach to $1k since long time.
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July 26, 2016, 12:10:00 PM
I think your prediction is not going to happen, maybe you are sleeping and dreaming bitcoin prices reached such
I think it's impossible and it will not happen,
every one bitcoin price $ 5000,
you try to look carefully remove the fee that should be in every transfer of funds bitcoin how if the price is too high
I agree with you. I think today we can not imagine the price of $ 5000, because even bitcoin prices have not reached the $ 1,000 price. probably bitcoin prices will begin to rise in the near future, but despite the price hike next bitcoin exceed $ 1000, I think, is still in need of the time is not fast, to arrive at the price of $ 5,000
legendary
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July 26, 2016, 12:03:54 PM
Not very soon.Btc has not yet reached 1000$ mark so 5000$ is very far away from now on and i think it may reach 1000$ mark in the start of 2017 may be but can not say when it will reach 5000$ but surely not soon.



If that is going to happen soon, that will be not happen, because it is a very high value and that is almost impossible.
But you never know what can happen with the value and that is the problem. But we hope that it will of course rise.

$1000 could be reached early next year. $5000 will take longer to achieve. That could happen in 2020 or later.

Early next year? Try early next month!

What makes you think the price will go to $1000 early next month? I don't see anything that can possibly lift the price up that high. Beside that, if you really believe the price to go up that much, then you can safely buy as many coins as possible as we speak, right?

Yup and its not easy to achieve 4 digit price so easily as we have not yet reached to $700 so to see the price of $1k I think we need to wait for a long time.


after the price is easy to touch 4 digits, the price may be easier to reach $5k. but if $1k difficult to achieve, that we would have more time to reach $5k. I'm sure $1,000 will be easily achieved in 2020, when halving will happen again. but if hoping it comes sooner in 2017.
sr. member
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July 26, 2016, 11:45:02 AM
Steady growth is more important for the bitcoin than a quick bubble, but we will probably see great peaks in the coming years.
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July 26, 2016, 11:37:49 AM
I think your prediction is not going to happen, maybe you are sleeping and dreaming bitcoin prices reached such
I think it's impossible and it will not happen,
every one bitcoin price $ 5000,
you try to look carefully remove the fee that should be in every transfer of funds bitcoin how if the price is too high
legendary
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Never compromise your standards!
July 26, 2016, 10:56:03 AM
Not very soon.Btc has not yet reached 1000$ mark so 5000$ is very far away from now on and i think it may reach 1000$ mark in the start of 2017 may be but can not say when it will reach 5000$ but surely not soon.



If that is going to happen soon, that will be not happen, because it is a very high value and that is almost impossible.
But you never know what can happen with the value and that is the problem. But we hope that it will of course rise.

$1000 could be reached early next year. $5000 will take longer to achieve. That could happen in 2020 or later.

Early next year? Try early next month!

What makes you think the price will go to $1000 early next month? I don't see anything that can possibly lift the price up that high. Beside that, if you really believe the price to go up that much, then you can safely buy as many coins as possible as we speak, right?


I'm not making any claims for early next month, but it is clear the majority of people here have no clue as to how screwed the world's financial situation is.

When it does finally implode (again), and you can be sure that day is coming sooner than later, Bitcoin could double in a matter of days. So yes, I'd say it is safe to buy as many coins as possible now.
People will soon look back at $700 Bitcoin as being dirt cheap. Didn't anyone pay attention to what happened in 2008-2009? We are far more in debt now than we were then! In fact all the problems that caused the financial crisis are far worse now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/savers-fear-negative-interest-rates-as-natwest-warns-businesses/
sr. member
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July 25, 2016, 07:15:42 AM
Not very soon.Btc has not yet reached 1000$ mark so 5000$ is very far away from now on and i think it may reach 1000$ mark in the start of 2017 may be but can not say when it will reach 5000$ but surely not soon.



If that is going to happen soon, that will be not happen, because it is a very high value and that is almost impossible.
But you never know what can happen with the value and that is the problem. But we hope that it will of course rise.

$1000 could be reached early next year. $5000 will take longer to achieve. That could happen in 2020 or later.

Early next year? Try early next month!

What makes you think the price will go to $1000 early next month? I don't see anything that can possibly lift the price up that high. Beside that, if you really believe the price to go up that much, then you can safely buy as many coins as possible as we speak, right?

Yup and its not easy to achieve 4 digit price so easily as we have not yet reached to $700 so to see the price of $1k I think we need to wait for a long time.


In 12 months, the bitcoin price could be $1000. When we have more bitcoin users, the price will be higher.
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