Author

Topic: BTCD is no more - page 336. (Read 1328490 times)

legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 10:17:40 PM
Not wishing to interfere with the current debate it's been interesting to say the least...and congrates to dev team......love your work  Grin

However my wallet is still chewing way too much data to leave it open for staking.....I know I've only got open it and sync a couple of times a day to increase weight.

That being said it does not help maintain the network doing it like that......I would really like to be told how to block nodes in wallet, I can't find any add/remove nodes command

I know I'm far from the smartest guy......If they ever release a coin with proof of stupidity it'll have my picture on it. So if anybody can tell me how to go about it I will be very grateful

Jon   Huh

do you have access to a different machine? our tests are not seeing any such massive bandwidth usage, so we are thinking maybe it is some other program? so if a different computer does same thing, we can narrow problem down

Have installed every thing on a different computer after monitoring for 20 minutes 9.27 Megabytes of data times 72 = 667.24 megs in 24 hours, it still seems too much to me

Jon  Undecided
like crackfoo says, until the blockchain is caught up, bandwidth use would be close to saturation levels for your channel.
need data for after you are caught up

Oh, have you synchronized your clock? A lot of times excess packets are caused by a node that has the wrong time and the other nodes end up sending a lot of packets to it (and vice versa)

Use ntp or equivalent

James
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 10:15:26 PM
// local encryption
// save all comms by totalcrc
// statemachine for pending telepods/teleports
// (statemachine task reduced to) properly interpret state changes to update private chain
// load and generate JSON for all saved files to create "privatechain"
// packet -> pS -> pS -> node (need table of node -> pS)

I like to reduce the difficulty of the tasks, so if possible, I identify a way to divide one task into two or more smaller tasks. Then after solving one, the remainder is more tasks, but easier ones, and this tends to go faster. Also, notice the JSON task is relating to privatechain and now so is the statemachine residue task.

so divide and conquer, rearrange, regroup, divide and conquer, etc.

Now comes a problem that reminds be a lot of the MGW account handling problem. I struggled with that for weeks, until I finally solved it. So, I think I will borrow the same technique for this. Sure is a good thing I did that MGW! most of the parts I havent already repurposed are about to flow into Teleport.

The last one requires some data from the "external" pubaddr message interface, so I am leaving it till last in hopes that it will arrive in time. If not, I will have to debug using some sort of simulator that I will have to write. No need to decide yet.

James

P.S. On the price, it is kind of distratcting by hovering right around the ATH. plz stop the tug of war and just either breakthrough or bounce back. It will help my concentration either way.
legendary
Activity: 3556
Merit: 1126
August 24, 2014, 10:14:23 PM
Not wishing to interfere with the current debate it's been interesting to say the least...and congrates to dev team......love your work  Grin

However my wallet is still chewing way too much data to leave it open for staking.....I know I've only got open it and sync a couple of times a day to increase weight.

That being said it does not help maintain the network doing it like that......I would really like to be told how to block nodes in wallet, I can't find any add/remove nodes command

I know I'm far from the smartest guy......If they ever release a coin with proof of stupidity it'll have my picture on it. So if anybody can tell me how to go about it I will be very grateful

Jon   Huh

do you have access to a different machine? our tests are not seeing any such massive bandwidth usage, so we are thinking maybe it is some other program? so if a different computer does same thing, we can narrow problem down

Have installed every thing on a different computer after monitoring for 20 minutes 9.27 Megabytes of data times 72 = 667.24 megs in 24 hours, it still seems too much to me

Jon  Undecided

That would be with the download of the blockchain too? It alone is 154MB
hero member
Activity: 529
Merit: 505
I'm on drugs, what's your excuse?
August 24, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
Not wishing to interfere with the current debate it's been interesting to say the least...and congrates to dev team......love your work  Grin

However my wallet is still chewing way too much data to leave it open for staking.....I know I've only got open it and sync a couple of times a day to increase weight.

That being said it does not help maintain the network doing it like that......I would really like to be told how to block nodes in wallet, I can't find any add/remove nodes command

I know I'm far from the smartest guy......If they ever release a coin with proof of stupidity it'll have my picture on it. So if anybody can tell me how to go about it I will be very grateful

Jon   Huh

do you have access to a different machine? our tests are not seeing any such massive bandwidth usage, so we are thinking maybe it is some other program? so if a different computer does same thing, we can narrow problem down

Have installed every thing on a different computer after monitoring for 20 minutes 9.27 Megabytes of data times 72 = 667.24 megs in 24 hours, it still seems too much to me

Jon  Undecided
hero member
Activity: 529
Merit: 505
I'm on drugs, what's your excuse?
August 24, 2014, 08:56:57 PM
Not wishing to interfere with the current debate it's been interesting to say the least...and congrates to dev team......love your work  Grin

However my wallet is still chewing way too much data to leave it open for staking.....I know I've only got open it and sync a couple of times a day to increase weight.

That being said it does not help maintain the network doing it like that......I would really like to be told how to block nodes in wallet, I can't find any add/remove nodes command

I know I'm far from the smartest guy......If they ever release a coin with proof of stupidity it'll have my picture on it. So if anybody can tell me how to go about it I will be very grateful

Jon   Huh

do you have access to a different machine? our tests are not seeing any such massive bandwidth usage, so we are thinking maybe it is some other program? so if a different computer does same thing, we can narrow problem down

Yea I'll put wallet on laptop and try that.....cheers and thank you for your quick response
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Not wishing to interfere with the current debate it's been interesting to say the least...and congrates to dev team......love your work  Grin

However my wallet is still chewing way too much data to leave it open for staking.....I know I've only got open it and sync a couple of times a day to increase weight.

That being said it does not help maintain the network doing it like that......I would really like to be told how to block nodes in wallet, I can't find any add/remove nodes command

I know I'm far from the smartest guy......If they ever release a coin with proof of stupidity it'll have my picture on it. So if anybody can tell me how to go about it I will be very grateful

Jon   Huh

do you have access to a different machine? our tests are not seeing any such massive bandwidth usage, so we are thinking maybe it is some other program? so if a different computer does same thing, we can narrow problem down
hero member
Activity: 529
Merit: 505
I'm on drugs, what's your excuse?
August 24, 2014, 08:21:08 PM
Not wishing to interfere with the current debate it's been interesting to say the least...and congrates to dev team......love your work  Grin

However my wallet is still chewing way too much data to leave it open for staking.....I know I've only got open it and sync a couple of times a day to increase weight.

That being said it does not help maintain the network doing it like that......I would really like to be told how to block nodes in wallet, I can't find any add/remove nodes command

I know I'm far from the smartest guy......If they ever release a coin with proof of stupidity it'll have my picture on it. So if anybody can tell me how to go about it I will be very grateful

Jon   Huh
hero member
Activity: 690
Merit: 501
August 24, 2014, 08:18:57 PM
Simple block explorer at http://107.170.44.31/ works well. No fancy gui, but works well enough.
hero member
Activity: 589
Merit: 500
August 24, 2014, 08:13:53 PM

Wow! It's so great to get 550 BTCD to set up the blockchain explorer. Actually, I can only connect one of those two explorers though it has not so many functions.

@Dev, would you like a blockchain explorer based on Abe with a bounty of only 200 BTCD? Here you go my example chains for PPC and XC: http://stakexplorer.com:2750/   http://stakexplorer.com:1111/

sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
August 24, 2014, 08:10:16 PM
we are creeping above .007 on cryptsy

now, if the price can punch through, then instead of seeing a reflection of the move from .006 to .007 (eg. .007 down to .006x) it usually just flips direction, so the money that would have gotten out of BTCD instead stays in and the money that already got out scrambles to come back in for fear of missing the train

Next hours will tell if .007 stays as resistance or flips into being a support level

James

It will resist, the climb by the trend is 3 days at 0.007 and so on. until next dump threshold of 0.01 . this is the only roller coaster I enjoy riding heh.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 08:04:26 PM
we are creeping above .007 on cryptsy

now, if the price can punch through, then instead of seeing a reflection of the move from .006 to .007 (eg. .007 down to .006x) it usually just flips direction, so the money that would have gotten out of BTCD instead stays in and the money that already got out scrambles to come back in for fear of missing the train

Next hours will tell if .007 stays as resistance or flips into being a support level

James
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 07:59:40 PM
Price still going up! I'm so glad I got alot of my family members to invest in this coin, even those who think crypto is a huge ponzi scheme.

Now I'm a hero  Grin Grin Grin
dont get too excited, there is 35 BTC of resistance to .008, and the .007 level is acting as pretty strong resistance.
I think it is going a bit too fast. where is the retracement to .0055? Its almost like the price is using a chart that is tilted upward? Instead of dropping down after big up, it just goes sideways a bit while it rests.

How am I to get a bunch more? My nice premium bids turn into discount bids by the end of the day

James
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 07:56:26 PM
Complete disclosure to the community!

Questions have been asked about the BTCD's pre-mine (~24,800 BTCD or ~1.5% of the total 1.6 million PoW Coins) here is the breakdown:
P.S. Because coins started to stake after 8 hours of maturity, the total # of BTCD during the PoW phase was less than 1.6 million, and ended up being ~1.174 Million BTCD

1) Azeh -- 5,386 BTCD

2) TorrnA -- 5,386 BTCD

3) BTCDdev --5,386 BTCD

Further development expenses:

Promotion payments before launch: 2,200 BTCD

Blog Posts/ Articles: 120
Node hosting: 10
Games: 90
Faucet funding: 3
Mac Wallet: 275
Windows Wallet: 500
Block Explorers: 550
OP translations: 360
Donations for independent work: 120
Media relations trial: 100

Anon tech development: 3500 (given to BTCDdev by James for his work)
Further development reserved for James after coming on board ~ 1000 (offered to TorrnA and BTCDdev by James)

Basically all pre-mine payments we're made before James joined as core developer.  After which, James was offered a bounty for his services, however, said already had enough BTCD that he had bought on the open market and therefore offered his bounty to BTCDdev for his help coding, who didn't have funds to be able to purchase BTCD on the open market.

Furthermore, I (Azeh) was lucky enough to have BTC available in the early days to purchase the majority of the BTCD I hold on the open market and have subsequently funded other aspects of BTCD development with my personal funds.

Web Designer: 1000 BTCD
BitcoinPRbuzz: 1200 BTCD

See below for more details:

A portion of the original pre-mine was agreed upon by the three original developers (Azeh, TorrnA, BTCDdev) to be distributed evenly. This was well before the launch of BTCD and was well before any of us had any knowledge that James would agree to come on board to become the core developer for BTCD.  The fact of the matter is, before the launch of BTCD the three original members worked for 2 months planning BTCD. Only one member, Azeh (me) had any BTC available to purchase BTCD on the open market.

Moreover, as others have said previously, If one wanted they could have bought the equivalent of the entire pre-mine in the early days for a few BTC.

Why is this being said now:

1) Continued questions from some community members that have asked for more detail about the pre-mine.

2) A current web developer has blackmailed the dev team for payment of between 5-15k BTCD payment.  If we didn't oblige, he threatened to come to the forums to disclose this news and spread FUD.

3) So we can clear the air and move forward with a clean slate and tell said developer that their services are no longer wanted.

Unfortunately, a team member has gone rouge and has threatened the development team and by extension the BTCD community and therefore, I'd like to completely come clean before said member has a chance to spread FUD.

This member, out of respect, I'll leave anonymous and allow him to come out himself if he so chooses.  However, this member continues to think that BTCD is some sort of conspiracy that has been concocted to enhance the value of NXT.  This member continues to believe this even after explanations about how NXT just provides platform with which BTCD is built over and has nothing to do with original NXT developers or the currency itself.

The situation escalated after an argument with the web designer after which this individual threatened me that he "could just hit ctrl alt delete and walk away", and said that he had done so on the past to another coin.

Bottom Line:

Regarding the pre-mine, should we have been more transparent in the beginning.  The short answer: Yes.  However, I will blame myself because I only wanted to protect TorrnA and BTCDdev from any criticism who both put in a ton of work and deserve every BTCD they received from the pre-mine.

In addition, I'm not going to sit idly by while an individual attempts use threats and blackmail to achieve some sense of control and extort funds for their own gain.  This is not in the spirit of what BTCD is all about.  For the most part the development of BTCD has remained mostly "ego" free which is how we'd like to keep it.  If development team members can't agree to this, then they have no place on the development team.

Lastly, yes, we are asking for donations.  Donations are all being carefully recorded and held by TorrnA, who I can vouch for as a very trustworthy individual.  All bounty payments going forward will be completely transparent and divulged to the community.   

i never blackmailed any dev i just asked for what i think my work worths so far and future developement, if someone can receive 1k BTCD for this http://oi61.tinypic.com/33ttet0.jpg i think that i should get more than 0 BTCD for work done and continuig to work here, i yet asked about premine and about 2 weeks ago i was told it was kept for james but now it seems things changed and its not keept, btw the actuall premine was 1.5% from 1.6M coins that should have been in PoW
it would be nice if you kept to the facts. I am so disappointed about this. Funds were being raised so people like yourself could be compensated. Also, I do not remember seeing any posts anywhere about the premine being kept for me! In fact, I have posted several times that the premine was mostly used before I even arrived and also that I wanted the 3500 BTCD offered to me to go to BTCDdev since he wasnt able to get much on the open market. I believe it is quite important for key contributors to be vested

The estimated value of the BTCD that the three got from the premine is <1 BTC for most of the PoW period. If anybody has any problems with this other than yourself, I would be surprised. Now it is curious to me that you are complaining about 1000 BTCD given to what looks to me like professional graphic designer. What was the value at the time? 1000 BTCD today is different than several weeks ago. If you are volunteering to work and then decide you want to become a paid contractor midstream, then this is your decision. Maybe if you had purchased BTCD on the open market when it was cheap like other key contributors (also showing faith in your own project), then some envy over somebody else getting paid would not be an issue?

Care to explain what NXT txid 17945798072342483012 is?

I had sent you 500 NXTprivacy directly as confirmation of your work and while this is not the same as 1000 BTCD, it was also clear that there would be more after work was completed. Whether your work is worth more or less than what some other paid contractor is getting is a judgement call. I trust Azeh's judgement on such matters and since you cannot get over the horrible injustice that you have been subjected to, it is best that you leave. I wish you luck in the future and if you decide to keep posting here, please stay with the facts.

Goodbye.

James
1k was given few days ago so its not much less, i can post skype chat logs about premine keept if you want to see, also i own more than 30k BTCD that is not sold unlike the premine so yes it gives faith here a lot, as for that asset please send me your NXT address and i will return it same second, its not any value for me receiving your assets which it seems you have one for every feature for this coin that is to be released, well maybe, as yet still no sign of anything

EDIT: i never asked for the free asset, but it seems i received it when i questioned the NXT benefits from your work here
please send the NXTprivacy to the donation pool address. I dont know what it is, maybe Azeh does

Also, i think you have things a bit twisted around. I have been working on my assets for all this year, which represents many manyears of ordinary coders and I am putting them inside BTCD and sharing revenues. Since you do not like this, I can make it so your 30K BTCD dont get these dividends. Is that your preference?

Have you seen MGW? It is already one of the top exchanges by daily trading volumes.

Please if you want to start some FUD, just sell all your BTCD now. many were expecting it to drop to .005 and since we are retesting .007 the only way that will happen is for some WH to dump.

To have 2.5% of BTCD and to be acting so petty and jealous over 1000BTCD?

You cannot at the same time be acting the way you are and still expecting BTCD to go up in price. Please dump your BTCD, we want lower prices.

James
Never said i dump BTCD or i will FUD i really wish all the best for this coin, its not jealousy over that 1k its just there were other members that were far far better than the one thet received payment, and was the only one to receive, but on the other side they are not all friends with the devs so they share with them, i will send to dev fund when azeh gives me address not a problem at all, and yes i don't want dividends from whatever that is i like the coin like it is so i will just keep steaking and avoid being part of something more that i find fishy

This is the last time i'll address this issue, because i've basically said everything i've had to say.  Except that I conveniently forgot to mention that you received nxtprivacy as compensation, so yet you set yourself up for that one.

However, you continue to have a disregard for facts.  It had nothing to do with him being BTCDdev's friend because this was my call.  I paid him 1000 BTCD of my personal funds.

Now, I'd kindly ask everyone to get back on topic and not let this thread devolve into a petty quarrel.

IceColdTommy, if you want to continue to contribute and add value to the thread then go right ahead.  

I'd also call on others to not be baited into this argument any longer. Members can already glean the information from what has been said before and make their own judgments
if you used your private funds, then this matter is totally closed. What right does anybody have to tell you how to spend your money? Nobody. It is your money, that is why it is called "your money"!

This is my last post on this, barring some factual error that might be posted in future that needs to be corrected

James
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 07:54:47 PM
Other than integrating with new pubaddr message type (that I am waiting for), the following is my todo list before code complete at beta level functionality:

// local encryption
// save all comms by totalcrc
// load and generate JSON for all saved files to create "privatechain"
// statemachine for pending telepods/teleports
// packet -> pS -> pS -> node (need table of node -> pS)

After I finish the above, a few days of debug and then as long as no issues with the pubaddr message propagation, we will be able to have open beta test where you just install BTCD QT and you automatically are both a privacyServer and BTCD node. Of course, at first it will be the jl777 friendly command line via debug console, but we can debug things and then when longzai has GUI, it becomes easy to use for everyone.

I apologize for the delays, but along the way we got M of N (254) fragments, MGW support ahead of schedule and some additional think time for me to keep improving Teleport. As soon as we get positive test results for teleporting BTCD, I will work on adding BTC and NXT teleporting. The former will be much faster than the latter. I think around this time, we will see GUI, so maybe we are still not so far from original goal of end of month releasing

James

hero member
Activity: 690
Merit: 501
August 24, 2014, 07:54:07 PM
Price still going up! I'm so glad I got alot of my family members to invest in this coin, even those who think crypto is a huge ponzi scheme.

Now I'm a hero  Grin Grin Grin
sr. member
Activity: 441
Merit: 500
August 24, 2014, 07:47:25 PM
Complete disclosure to the community!

Questions have been asked about the BTCD's pre-mine (~24,800 BTCD or ~1.5% of the total 1.6 million PoW Coins) here is the breakdown:
P.S. Because coins started to stake after 8 hours of maturity, the total # of BTCD during the PoW phase was less than 1.6 million, and ended up being ~1.174 Million BTCD

1) Azeh -- 5,386 BTCD

2) TorrnA -- 5,386 BTCD

3) BTCDdev --5,386 BTCD

Further development expenses:

Promotion payments before launch: 2,200 BTCD

Blog Posts/ Articles: 120
Node hosting: 10
Games: 90
Faucet funding: 3
Mac Wallet: 275
Windows Wallet: 500
Block Explorers: 550
OP translations: 360
Donations for independent work: 120
Media relations trial: 100

Anon tech development: 3500 (given to BTCDdev by James for his work)
Further development reserved for James after coming on board ~ 1000 (offered to TorrnA and BTCDdev by James)

Basically all pre-mine payments we're made before James joined as core developer.  After which, James was offered a bounty for his services, however, said already had enough BTCD that he had bought on the open market and therefore offered his bounty to BTCDdev for his help coding, who didn't have funds to be able to purchase BTCD on the open market.

Furthermore, I (Azeh) was lucky enough to have BTC available in the early days to purchase the majority of the BTCD I hold on the open market and have subsequently funded other aspects of BTCD development with my personal funds.

Web Designer: 1000 BTCD
BitcoinPRbuzz: 1200 BTCD

See below for more details:

A portion of the original pre-mine was agreed upon by the three original developers (Azeh, TorrnA, BTCDdev) to be distributed evenly. This was well before the launch of BTCD and was well before any of us had any knowledge that James would agree to come on board to become the core developer for BTCD.  The fact of the matter is, before the launch of BTCD the three original members worked for 2 months planning BTCD. Only one member, Azeh (me) had any BTC available to purchase BTCD on the open market.

Moreover, as others have said previously, If one wanted they could have bought the equivalent of the entire pre-mine in the early days for a few BTC.

Why is this being said now:

1) Continued questions from some community members that have asked for more detail about the pre-mine.

2) A current web developer has blackmailed the dev team for payment of between 5-15k BTCD payment.  If we didn't oblige, he threatened to come to the forums to disclose this news and spread FUD.

3) So we can clear the air and move forward with a clean slate and tell said developer that their services are no longer wanted.

Unfortunately, a team member has gone rouge and has threatened the development team and by extension the BTCD community and therefore, I'd like to completely come clean before said member has a chance to spread FUD.

This member, out of respect, I'll leave anonymous and allow him to come out himself if he so chooses.  However, this member continues to think that BTCD is some sort of conspiracy that has been concocted to enhance the value of NXT.  This member continues to believe this even after explanations about how NXT just provides platform with which BTCD is built over and has nothing to do with original NXT developers or the currency itself.

The situation escalated after an argument with the web designer after which this individual threatened me that he "could just hit ctrl alt delete and walk away", and said that he had done so on the past to another coin.

Bottom Line:

Regarding the pre-mine, should we have been more transparent in the beginning.  The short answer: Yes.  However, I will blame myself because I only wanted to protect TorrnA and BTCDdev from any criticism who both put in a ton of work and deserve every BTCD they received from the pre-mine.

In addition, I'm not going to sit idly by while an individual attempts use threats and blackmail to achieve some sense of control and extort funds for their own gain.  This is not in the spirit of what BTCD is all about.  For the most part the development of BTCD has remained mostly "ego" free which is how we'd like to keep it.  If development team members can't agree to this, then they have no place on the development team.

Lastly, yes, we are asking for donations.  Donations are all being carefully recorded and held by TorrnA, who I can vouch for as a very trustworthy individual.  All bounty payments going forward will be completely transparent and divulged to the community.   

i never blackmailed any dev i just asked for what i think my work worths so far and future developement, if someone can receive 1k BTCD for this http://oi61.tinypic.com/33ttet0.jpg i think that i should get more than 0 BTCD for work done and continuig to work here, i yet asked about premine and about 2 weeks ago i was told it was kept for james but now it seems things changed and its not keept, btw the actuall premine was 1.5% from 1.6M coins that should have been in PoW
it would be nice if you kept to the facts. I am so disappointed about this. Funds were being raised so people like yourself could be compensated. Also, I do not remember seeing any posts anywhere about the premine being kept for me! In fact, I have posted several times that the premine was mostly used before I even arrived and also that I wanted the 3500 BTCD offered to me to go to BTCDdev since he wasnt able to get much on the open market. I believe it is quite important for key contributors to be vested

The estimated value of the BTCD that the three got from the premine is <1 BTC for most of the PoW period. If anybody has any problems with this other than yourself, I would be surprised. Now it is curious to me that you are complaining about 1000 BTCD given to what looks to me like professional graphic designer. What was the value at the time? 1000 BTCD today is different than several weeks ago. If you are volunteering to work and then decide you want to become a paid contractor midstream, then this is your decision. Maybe if you had purchased BTCD on the open market when it was cheap like other key contributors (also showing faith in your own project), then some envy over somebody else getting paid would not be an issue?

Care to explain what NXT txid 17945798072342483012 is?

I had sent you 500 NXTprivacy directly as confirmation of your work and while this is not the same as 1000 BTCD, it was also clear that there would be more after work was completed. Whether your work is worth more or less than what some other paid contractor is getting is a judgement call. I trust Azeh's judgement on such matters and since you cannot get over the horrible injustice that you have been subjected to, it is best that you leave. I wish you luck in the future and if you decide to keep posting here, please stay with the facts.

Goodbye.

James
1k was given few days ago so its not much less, i can post skype chat logs about premine keept if you want to see, also i own more than 30k BTCD that is not sold unlike the premine so yes it gives faith here a lot, as for that asset please send me your NXT address and i will return it same second, its not any value for me receiving your assets which it seems you have one for every feature for this coin that is to be released, well maybe, as yet still no sign of anything

EDIT: i never asked for the free asset, but it seems i received it when i questioned the NXT benefits from your work here
please send the NXTprivacy to the donation pool address. I dont know what it is, maybe Azeh does

Also, i think you have things a bit twisted around. I have been working on my assets for all this year, which represents many manyears of ordinary coders and I am putting them inside BTCD and sharing revenues. Since you do not like this, I can make it so your 30K BTCD dont get these dividends. Is that your preference?

Have you seen MGW? It is already one of the top exchanges by daily trading volumes.

Please if you want to start some FUD, just sell all your BTCD now. many were expecting it to drop to .005 and since we are retesting .007 the only way that will happen is for some WH to dump.

To have 2.5% of BTCD and to be acting so petty and jealous over 1000BTCD?

You cannot at the same time be acting the way you are and still expecting BTCD to go up in price. Please dump your BTCD, we want lower prices.

James
Never said i dump BTCD or i will FUD i really wish all the best for this coin, its not jealousy over that 1k its just there were other members that were far far better than the one thet received payment, and was the only one to receive, but on the other side they are not all friends with the devs so they share with them, i will send to dev fund when azeh gives me address not a problem at all, and yes i don't want dividends from whatever that is i like the coin like it is so i will just keep steaking and avoid being part of something more that i find fishy

This is the last time i'll address this issue, because i've basically said everything i've had to say.  Except that I conveniently forgot to mention that you received nxtprivacy as compensation, so yet you set yourself up for that one.

However, you continue to have a disregard for facts.  It had nothing to do with him being BTCDdev's friend because this was my call.  I paid him 1000 BTCD of my personal funds.

Now, I'd kindly ask everyone to get back on topic and not let this thread devolve into a petty quarrel.

IceColdTommy, if you want to continue to contribute and add value to the thread then go right ahead.  

I'd also call on others to not be baited into this argument any longer. Members can already glean the information from what has been said before and make their own judgments
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 07:42:23 PM
meanwhile, back to tradewatch

30 BTC buy at .00686 on cryptsy
less than 1 BTC available below .0069 on bittrex

I had expected a flag pattern or some sort of consolidation before retesting the .007 ATH, but after the mirror bound off of .006 it seems we might be retesting .007 tonight!

each time the price tests a level, it is more likely to breakthrough, so it is not so likely to do it on the second time (though it happens), the third time however will become more likely.

Then again BTCD is defying the normal price actions for some reason

James
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
August 24, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
Complete disclosure to the community!

Questions have been asked about the BTCD's pre-mine (~24,800 BTCD or ~1.5% of the total 1.6 million PoW Coins) here is the breakdown:
P.S. Because coins started to stake after 8 hours of maturity, the total # of BTCD during the PoW phase was less than 1.6 million, and ended up being ~1.174 Million BTCD

1) Azeh -- 5,386 BTCD

2) TorrnA -- 5,386 BTCD

3) BTCDdev --5,386 BTCD

Further development expenses:

Promotion payments before launch: 2,200 BTCD

Blog Posts/ Articles: 120
Node hosting: 10
Games: 90
Faucet funding: 3
Mac Wallet: 275
Windows Wallet: 500
Block Explorers: 550
OP translations: 360
Donations for independent work: 120
Media relations trial: 100

Anon tech development: 3500 (given to BTCDdev by James for his work)
Further development reserved for James after coming on board ~ 1000 (offered to TorrnA and BTCDdev by James)

Basically all pre-mine payments we're made before James joined as core developer.  After which, James was offered a bounty for his services, however, said already had enough BTCD that he had bought on the open market and therefore offered his bounty to BTCDdev for his help coding, who didn't have funds to be able to purchase BTCD on the open market.

Furthermore, I (Azeh) was lucky enough to have BTC available in the early days to purchase the majority of the BTCD I hold on the open market and have subsequently funded other aspects of BTCD development with my personal funds.

Web Designer: 1000 BTCD
BitcoinPRbuzz: 1200 BTCD

See below for more details:

A portion of the original pre-mine was agreed upon by the three original developers (Azeh, TorrnA, BTCDdev) to be distributed evenly. This was well before the launch of BTCD and was well before any of us had any knowledge that James would agree to come on board to become the core developer for BTCD.  The fact of the matter is, before the launch of BTCD the three original members worked for 2 months planning BTCD. Only one member, Azeh (me) had any BTC available to purchase BTCD on the open market.

Moreover, as others have said previously, If one wanted they could have bought the equivalent of the entire pre-mine in the early days for a few BTC.

Why is this being said now:

1) Continued questions from some community members that have asked for more detail about the pre-mine.

2) A current web developer has blackmailed the dev team for payment of between 5-15k BTCD payment.  If we didn't oblige, he threatened to come to the forums to disclose this news and spread FUD.

3) So we can clear the air and move forward with a clean slate and tell said developer that their services are no longer wanted.

Unfortunately, a team member has gone rouge and has threatened the development team and by extension the BTCD community and therefore, I'd like to completely come clean before said member has a chance to spread FUD.

This member, out of respect, I'll leave anonymous and allow him to come out himself if he so chooses.  However, this member continues to think that BTCD is some sort of conspiracy that has been concocted to enhance the value of NXT.  This member continues to believe this even after explanations about how NXT just provides platform with which BTCD is built over and has nothing to do with original NXT developers or the currency itself.

The situation escalated after an argument with the web designer after which this individual threatened me that he "could just hit ctrl alt delete and walk away", and said that he had done so on the past to another coin.

Bottom Line:

Regarding the pre-mine, should we have been more transparent in the beginning.  The short answer: Yes.  However, I will blame myself because I only wanted to protect TorrnA and BTCDdev from any criticism who both put in a ton of work and deserve every BTCD they received from the pre-mine.

In addition, I'm not going to sit idly by while an individual attempts use threats and blackmail to achieve some sense of control and extort funds for their own gain.  This is not in the spirit of what BTCD is all about.  For the most part the development of BTCD has remained mostly "ego" free which is how we'd like to keep it.  If development team members can't agree to this, then they have no place on the development team.

Lastly, yes, we are asking for donations.  Donations are all being carefully recorded and held by TorrnA, who I can vouch for as a very trustworthy individual.  All bounty payments going forward will be completely transparent and divulged to the community.  

i never blackmailed any dev i just asked for what i think my work worths so far and future developement, if someone can receive 1k BTCD for this http://oi61.tinypic.com/33ttet0.jpg i think that i should get more than 0 BTCD for work done and continuig to work here, i yet asked about premine and about 2 weeks ago i was told it was kept for james but now it seems things changed and its not keept, btw the actuall premine was 1.5% from 1.6M coins that should have been in PoW
it would be nice if you kept to the facts. I am so disappointed about this. Funds were being raised so people like yourself could be compensated. Also, I do not remember seeing any posts anywhere about the premine being kept for me! In fact, I have posted several times that the premine was mostly used before I even arrived and also that I wanted the 3500 BTCD offered to me to go to BTCDdev since he wasnt able to get much on the open market. I believe it is quite important for key contributors to be vested

The estimated value of the BTCD that the three got from the premine is <1 BTC for most of the PoW period. If anybody has any problems with this other than yourself, I would be surprised. Now it is curious to me that you are complaining about 1000 BTCD given to what looks to me like professional graphic designer. What was the value at the time? 1000 BTCD today is different than several weeks ago. If you are volunteering to work and then decide you want to become a paid contractor midstream, then this is your decision. Maybe if you had purchased BTCD on the open market when it was cheap like other key contributors (also showing faith in your own project), then some envy over somebody else getting paid would not be an issue?

Care to explain what NXT txid 17945798072342483012 is?

I had sent you 500 NXTprivacy directly as confirmation of your work and while this is not the same as 1000 BTCD, it was also clear that there would be more after work was completed. Whether your work is worth more or less than what some other paid contractor is getting is a judgement call. I trust Azeh's judgement on such matters and since you cannot get over the horrible injustice that you have been subjected to, it is best that you leave. I wish you luck in the future and if you decide to keep posting here, please stay with the facts.

Goodbye.

James
1k was given few days ago so its not much less, i can post skype chat logs about premine keept if you want to see, also i own more than 30k BTCD that is not sold unlike the premine so yes it gives faith here a lot, as for that asset please send me your NXT address and i will return it same second, its not any value for me receiving your assets which it seems you have one for every feature for this coin that is to be released, well maybe, as yet still no sign of anything

EDIT: i never asked for the free asset, but it seems i received it when i questioned the NXT benefits from your work here
please send the NXTprivacy to the donation pool address. I dont know what it is, maybe Azeh does

Also, i think you have things a bit twisted around. I have been working on my assets for all this year, which represents many manyears of ordinary coders and I am putting them inside BTCD and sharing revenues. Since you do not like this, I can make it so your 30K BTCD dont get these dividends. Is that your preference?

Have you seen MGW? It is already one of the top exchanges by daily trading volumes.

Please if you want to start some FUD, just sell all your BTCD now. many were expecting it to drop to .005 and since we are retesting .007 the only way that will happen is for some WH to dump.

To have 2.5% of BTCD and to be acting so petty and jealous over 1000BTCD?

You cannot at the same time be acting the way you are and still expecting BTCD to go up in price. Please dump your BTCD, we want lower prices.

James
Never said i dump BTCD or i will FUD i really wish all the best for this coin, its not jealousy over that 1k its just there were other members that were far far better than the one thet received payment, and was the only one to receive, but on the other side they are not all friends with the devs so they share with them, i will send to dev fund when azeh gives me address not a problem at all, and yes i don't want dividends from whatever that is i like the coin like it is so i will just keep steaking and avoid being part of something more that i find fishy
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
August 24, 2014, 07:26:36 PM
Complete disclosure to the community!

Questions have been asked about the BTCD's pre-mine (~24,800 BTCD or ~1.5% of the total 1.6 million PoW Coins) here is the breakdown:
P.S. Because coins started to stake after 8 hours of maturity, the total # of BTCD during the PoW phase was less than 1.6 million, and ended up being ~1.174 Million BTCD

1) Azeh -- 5,386 BTCD

2) TorrnA -- 5,386 BTCD

3) BTCDdev --5,386 BTCD

Further development expenses:

Promotion payments before launch: 2,200 BTCD

Blog Posts/ Articles: 120
Node hosting: 10
Games: 90
Faucet funding: 3
Mac Wallet: 275
Windows Wallet: 500
Block Explorers: 550
OP translations: 360
Donations for independent work: 120
Media relations trial: 100

Anon tech development: 3500 (given to BTCDdev by James for his work)
Further development reserved for James after coming on board ~ 1000 (offered to TorrnA and BTCDdev by James)

Basically all pre-mine payments we're made before James joined as core developer.  After which, James was offered a bounty for his services, however, said already had enough BTCD that he had bought on the open market and therefore offered his bounty to BTCDdev for his help coding, who didn't have funds to be able to purchase BTCD on the open market.

Furthermore, I (Azeh) was lucky enough to have BTC available in the early days to purchase the majority of the BTCD I hold on the open market and have subsequently funded other aspects of BTCD development with my personal funds.

Web Designer: 1000 BTCD
BitcoinPRbuzz: 1200 BTCD

See below for more details:

A portion of the original pre-mine was agreed upon by the three original developers (Azeh, TorrnA, BTCDdev) to be distributed evenly. This was well before the launch of BTCD and was well before any of us had any knowledge that James would agree to come on board to become the core developer for BTCD.  The fact of the matter is, before the launch of BTCD the three original members worked for 2 months planning BTCD. Only one member, Azeh (me) had any BTC available to purchase BTCD on the open market.

Moreover, as others have said previously, If one wanted they could have bought the equivalent of the entire pre-mine in the early days for a few BTC.

Why is this being said now:

1) Continued questions from some community members that have asked for more detail about the pre-mine.

2) A current web developer has blackmailed the dev team for payment of between 5-15k BTCD payment.  If we didn't oblige, he threatened to come to the forums to disclose this news and spread FUD.

3) So we can clear the air and move forward with a clean slate and tell said developer that their services are no longer wanted.

Unfortunately, a team member has gone rouge and has threatened the development team and by extension the BTCD community and therefore, I'd like to completely come clean before said member has a chance to spread FUD.

This member, out of respect, I'll leave anonymous and allow him to come out himself if he so chooses.  However, this member continues to think that BTCD is some sort of conspiracy that has been concocted to enhance the value of NXT.  This member continues to believe this even after explanations about how NXT just provides platform with which BTCD is built over and has nothing to do with original NXT developers or the currency itself.

The situation escalated after an argument with the web designer after which this individual threatened me that he "could just hit ctrl alt delete and walk away", and said that he had done so on the past to another coin.

Bottom Line:

Regarding the pre-mine, should we have been more transparent in the beginning.  The short answer: Yes.  However, I will blame myself because I only wanted to protect TorrnA and BTCDdev from any criticism who both put in a ton of work and deserve every BTCD they received from the pre-mine.

In addition, I'm not going to sit idly by while an individual attempts use threats and blackmail to achieve some sense of control and extort funds for their own gain.  This is not in the spirit of what BTCD is all about.  For the most part the development of BTCD has remained mostly "ego" free which is how we'd like to keep it.  If development team members can't agree to this, then they have no place on the development team.

Lastly, yes, we are asking for donations.  Donations are all being carefully recorded and held by TorrnA, who I can vouch for as a very trustworthy individual.  All bounty payments going forward will be completely transparent and divulged to the community.  

i never blackmailed any dev i just asked for what i think my work worths so far and future developement, if someone can receive 1k BTCD for this http://oi61.tinypic.com/33ttet0.jpg i think that i should get more than 0 BTCD for work done and continuig to work here, i yet asked about premine and about 2 weeks ago i was told it was kept for james but now it seems things changed and its not keept, btw the actuall premine was 1.5% from 1.6M coins that should have been in PoW
it would be nice if you kept to the facts. I am so disappointed about this. Funds were being raised so people like yourself could be compensated. Also, I do not remember seeing any posts anywhere about the premine being kept for me! In fact, I have posted several times that the premine was mostly used before I even arrived and also that I wanted the 3500 BTCD offered to me to go to BTCDdev since he wasnt able to get much on the open market. I believe it is quite important for key contributors to be vested

The estimated value of the BTCD that the three got from the premine is <1 BTC for most of the PoW period. If anybody has any problems with this other than yourself, I would be surprised. Now it is curious to me that you are complaining about 1000 BTCD given to what looks to me like professional graphic designer. What was the value at the time? 1000 BTCD today is different than several weeks ago. If you are volunteering to work and then decide you want to become a paid contractor midstream, then this is your decision. Maybe if you had purchased BTCD on the open market when it was cheap like other key contributors (also showing faith in your own project), then some envy over somebody else getting paid would not be an issue?

Care to explain what NXT txid 17945798072342483012 is?

I had sent you 500 NXTprivacy directly as confirmation of your work and while this is not the same as 1000 BTCD, it was also clear that there would be more after work was completed. Whether your work is worth more or less than what some other paid contractor is getting is a judgement call. I trust Azeh's judgement on such matters and since you cannot get over the horrible injustice that you have been subjected to, it is best that you leave. I wish you luck in the future and if you decide to keep posting here, please stay with the facts.

Goodbye.

James
1k was given few days ago so its not much less, i can post skype chat logs about premine keept if you want to see, also i own more than 30k BTCD that is not sold unlike the premine so yes it gives faith here a lot, as for that asset please send me your NXT address and i will return it same second, its not any value for me receiving your assets which it seems you have one for every feature for this coin that is to be released, well maybe, as yet still no sign of anything

EDIT: i never asked for the free asset, but it seems i received it when i questioned the NXT benefits from your work here
please send the NXTprivacy to the donation pool address. I dont know what it is, maybe Azeh does

Also, i think you have things a bit twisted around. I have been working on my assets for all this year, which represents many manyears of ordinary coders and I am putting them inside BTCD and sharing revenues. Since you do not like this, I can make it so your 30K BTCD dont get these dividends. Is that your preference?

Have you seen MGW? It is already one of the top exchanges by daily trading volumes.

Please if you want to start some FUD, just sell all your BTCD now. many were expecting it to drop to .005 and since we are retesting .007 the only way that will happen is for some WH to dump.

To have 2.5% of BTCD and to be acting so petty and jealous over 1000BTCD?

You cannot at the same time be acting the way you are and still expecting BTCD to go up in price. Please dump your BTCD, we want lower prices.

James
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
August 24, 2014, 07:16:01 PM
Now it is curious to me that you are complaining about 1000 BTCD given to what looks to me like professional graphic designer. What was the value at the time? 1000 BTCD today is different than several weeks ago. If you are volunteering to work and then decide you want to become a paid contractor midstream, then this is your decision. Maybe if you had purchased BTCD on the open market when it was cheap like other key contributors (also showing faith in your own project), then some envy over somebody else getting paid would not be an issue?


James

Thank you for saying that! My personal friend designed the logo and other designs (such as the one in that photo) and put in weeks of work for this project. It was not wrong of him to ask for compensation. To say otherwise is downright wrong.
But it seems he wont respond after he did received the BTCD, he was also to make another photos to that i said about a week ago for the both sites but still no sign of them

EDIT: the logo is fibonacci spiral modification and i don't see any connection with this coin besides being easy to do
Jump to: