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November 11, 2015, 02:13:09 AM
This probably explains what he's going to do, no need to panic:

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Quote from: Cassius on Today at 12:10:10 am

    Folks - just had a long chat with James on Slack. Given the mud that's been slung around here the past few days, he doesn't want to make a personal appearance right now but wanted to clear up a few things:

    Backwards compatibility is obviously a huge issue for maintaining working software. There's a lot of understandable upset around that whole situation still, but the bottom line is that without it, some functionality will end up moving to BTCD. James will be working on that now. Bc on Nxt may or may not be a resolvable issue - that's very uncertain at the moment. That is a dialogue that needs to continue within the community.

    As has always been the case, Nxt will remain the financial platform for SuperNET, so all the jl777 assets will continue to be hosted on Nxt.

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sr. member
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November 10, 2015, 01:51:42 PM
Define 'abandon' in this context please.

To remove all dependency on NXT.
legendary
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November 10, 2015, 01:47:34 PM

Anyway, the first effect of all this is that ALL of my projects will be delayed. I will wait for NXT API to stabilize before I waste my time. The most likely scenario is that I will just remove all dependency on NXT and put whatever functions I need into BTCD.
 


exactly.

Define 'abandon' in this context please.
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November 10, 2015, 01:02:11 PM

nope - jl777 is not threatening to 'abandon' NXT, and he never has.
what he is doing is implementing some NXT functionality that SuperNET uses into SuperNET/BTCD.

it is a long story and much hyperbole, so please don't jump to hysterical conclusions.

What happens is that SuperNET/BTCD tech gets more streamlined.

I do tend to choose my words carefully and I think the bolded part qualifies as "threatening to abandon NXT":

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There was no discussion with the SuperNET team about the 1.6.2 breaking all the installed base. The only "discussion" happened after I complained about it not being backward compatible. And this "discussion" was basically a confirmation that the promise of backward compatibility that was made last year is not being honored.

There have been many customer support issues due to the breaking of the API and a lot of unreported cases where the customers just stop using SuperNET (and NXT)

I have been assured that with each NXT release that there will likely NOT be any backward compatibility of the API, which means anything that uses it will likely break and need unknown amounts of testing, requalification and of course customer support and field update issues.

It is not possible to deploy a large scale system using a "platform" that isnt backward compatible due to the breaking of all the ALREADY installed and running systems. With decentralized systems it is not possible for centrally force an update on users. Just look at some of the versions NXT peers are still running. Therefore anything that is guaranteed to break is certainly not worth spending marketing dollars to acquire the installed base for.

The NXT devs lack a fundamental understanding about business reality and I am extremely disappointed in the breaking of the promise to keep things backward compatible. The ONLY exception is if there is an attack vector. Local node performance is not any excuse.

Due to this, I am rethinking my reliance on NXT for SuperNET. I have quite a lot of code that takes all my time to create and to be assured that I will have to keep reworking it forever due to backward compatibility breaking with each release. This is not practical for me.

So, NXT will have a more efficient API with much fewer users. That is the effect of this breaking of the backward compatibility promise.

Anyway, the first effect of all this is that ALL of my projects will be delayed. I will wait for NXT API to stabilize before I waste my time. The most likely scenario is that I will just remove all dependency on NXT and put whatever functions I need into BTCD.

James

tl:dr it is a MAJOR breach of trust as far as I am concerned that the API backward compatibility promise has been violated and I cannot rely on NXT for any important SuperNET functions.

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-6-2/80/
legendary
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November 10, 2015, 12:52:00 PM

nope - jl777 is not threatening to 'abandon' NXT, and he never has.
what he is doing is implementing some NXT functionality that SuperNET uses into SuperNET/BTCD.

it is a long story and much hyperbole, so please don't jump to hysterical conclusions.

What happens is that SuperNET/BTCD tech gets more streamlined.
sr. member
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November 10, 2015, 12:42:44 PM
Pro tip for jl777: port your project(s) to ETH.  ETH is a general purpose distributed computer that makes obsolete scripted environments such as NXT look like "pocket calculators" (quoting Nick Szabo).

As far as I know (and I don't follow ETH actively), ETH isn't stable either. It might be an even bigger can of worms than NXT. Last thing I heard is that they're running out of money Roll Eyes
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November 10, 2015, 12:28:52 PM
can someone explain why there such a drop

Sure, jl777 is fuming because the latest NXT update broke his SuperNET and he's threatening to abandon NXT. You can find out more here:

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-6-2/

...and that's why jl777 should have avoided the Dependency Hell of building SuperNet on top of NXT on top of Java.

Remember kids, dependencies are pure kryptonite to poor old SuperNet.

Of course, if jl777 wanted a sort-of plausible reason to rage-quit the project(s), this provides a perfect opportunity.

In fairness to jl777, NXT was foolish to break the only high profile project of note (however dubious) still being built on its shitplatform.

Pro tip for jl777: port your project(s) to ETH.  ETH is a general purpose distributed computer that makes obsolete scripted environments such as NXT look like "pocket calculators" (quoting Nick Szabo).
sr. member
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November 10, 2015, 11:37:49 AM
so the best advice is to sit tight and expect they won't f.... us with sand paper

Correct  Smiley
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November 10, 2015, 11:33:18 AM
can someone explain why there such a drop

Sure, jl777 is fuming because the latest NXT update broke his SuperNET and he's threatening to abandon NXT. You can find out more here:

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-6-2/

so the best advice is to sit tight and expect they won't f.... us with sand paper
sr. member
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November 10, 2015, 11:28:41 AM
can someone explain why there such a drop

Sure, jl777 is fuming because the latest NXT update broke his SuperNET and he's threatening to abandon NXT. You can find out more here:

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-6-2/
newbie
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November 10, 2015, 10:53:55 AM
if that it  then just follow me on all the coin and when I get on the coin cell everything
otherwise you will lose your money like me Lollll Cool


Haha i feel you man. Best investment advise I give my friends, do the opposite of me.
Still holding 200 BTCD+ It kinda hurts btc wise. Euro wise i'm still good.



sr. member
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November 10, 2015, 09:56:53 AM
can someone explain why there such a drop
team dev are still there?
people rush for btc
or i am just on the wrong coin again

if that it  then just follow me on all the coin and when I get on the coin cell everything
otherwise you will lose your money like me Lollll Cool

legendary
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November 09, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
1- 10 confirmations recomended
2-  5% but only POS
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November 08, 2015, 04:46:13 PM


@jl777 @supernet & NXT

UNITY!
legendary
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November 08, 2015, 07:17:59 AM
All money of SuperNET community has gone to the NXT side, because they think this is the last dump of LSUM, but I think NXT come down to 0.00001xxx, in end of 2015 or the beginning of 2016.
time will tell.
Lol,
came true my prediction  earlier than expected. Cheesy

Seems sellers have infinite nxt's  Shocked
legendary
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November 08, 2015, 04:05:39 AM
All money of SuperNET community has gone to the NXT side, because they think this is the last dump of LSUM, but I think NXT come down to 0.00001xxx, in end of 2015 or the beginning of 2016.
time will tell.
Lol,
came true my prediction  earlier than expected. Cheesy
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I'm on drugs, what's your excuse?
November 07, 2015, 06:09:12 PM
Hi guys

Time for 2 dumb questions

I'm running v1.0.0.0-g32a928e of the wallet on Windows 7.  Can anyone tell me how to combine unspent outputs, I have some that have 20 different small amounts in the one address. I would like to be able to have a

total amount for each address.

The other one is how do you remove orphans from the transaction list

Anyhow thanks in advance and cheers to all.

Jon  Wink

As others suggested here before, You send the whole amount to yourself.
I have tried it with some coins including BTCD and it worked.
two years ago, I tried it with another coin and it didn't work. The amount never confirmed.

Another option is if you have two computers with BTCD wallet, send the amount from one wallet to the other and then back to the first.

I am not sure about the orphans. I think you write repairwallet in your wallet console (Help / Debug window / Console)

Hi bitkokos2

Thanks for your reply I was hoping there was a more elegant solution.... something like a combine address command that could sort it in the debug window

Edit  I'm sure I've ran a wallet that combined outputs in the same address if the address staked twice within 24hrs

Cheers Jon Smiley
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I'm on drugs, what's your excuse?
November 07, 2015, 06:03:07 PM
how do you remove orphans from the transaction list

You don't. They're a valuable indicator. A few orphans per day are normal but if you get lots of them then something is wrong.

Hi Bitinvestor

Thanks for your reply, I understand your point and it's validity.....it's just I have at least one other wallet that has a clear orphans option. It's only used now and then just to tidy things up

Jon  Cheesy 
sr. member
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November 07, 2015, 05:54:31 AM
how do you remove orphans from the transaction list

You don't. They're a valuable indicator. A few orphans per day are normal but if you get lots of them then something is wrong.
hero member
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November 07, 2015, 03:39:08 AM
Hi guys

Time for 2 dumb questions

I'm running v1.0.0.0-g32a928e of the wallet on Windows 7.  Can anyone tell me how to combine unspent outputs, I have some that have 20 different small amounts in the one address. I would like to be able to have a

total amount for each address.

The other one is how do you remove orphans from the transaction list

Anyhow thanks in advance and cheers to all.

Jon  Wink

As others suggested here before, You send the whole amount to yourself.
I have tried it with some coins including BTCD and it worked.
two years ago, I tried it with another coin and it didn't work. The amount never confirmed.

Another option is if you have two computers with BTCD wallet, send the amount from one wallet to the other and then back to the first.

I am not sure about the orphans. I think you write repairwallet in your wallet console (Help / Debug window / Console)
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