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WTF???
February 27, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
#56
Can you explain how you have access to your account again?

I disabled his account a while ago because it was clearly compromised. Recently cablepair contacted me and provided reasonable proof of his identity (signmessage using an address that he's used before), so I gave him back his account.

Thanks Theymos. Theysome as usual.
sr. member
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February 27, 2013, 03:01:57 AM
#55
this is bitcointalk.org someone will.  Tongue
It's also bitcointroll.org

aww someone got butthurt enough to register that lol
legendary
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February 27, 2013, 02:49:27 AM
#54
this is bitcointalk.org someone will.  Tongue
It's also bitcointroll.org
sr. member
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February 27, 2013, 02:41:55 AM
#53
p.s. BTCFPGA will continue to sell FPGA based devices to hobbyists and all others who are interested in this device.
http://www.btcfpga.com

That's a joke, right? Do you really expect anybody to pay you in advance?


this is bitcointalk.org someone will.  Tongue
legendary
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February 27, 2013, 02:36:20 AM
#52
p.s. BTCFPGA will continue to sell FPGA based devices to hobbyists and all others who are interested in this device.
http://www.btcfpga.com

That's a joke, right? Do you really expect anybody to pay you in advance?
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
February 27, 2013, 01:18:11 AM
#51
This is really good news to anyone awaiting a bASIC refund.

I've always thought Tom was a good guy, that was the main reason why I supported him through my opinions and posts on the forums (more than other ASIC companies.) I thought he was the least likely to scam everyone, although the recent drama has withered that trust, I still believe that he meant well in this endevaour. I am glad he is still trying to make everything right.

I know you must have spent a pretty penny on the R&D for bASIC without making a penny off of it (after all refunds come through.) It makes complete sense you are liquidating assets, and put in quite a tough situation. I hope you and your family are well Tom, I feel for you. I know what it feels like to have a business fail after working so many countless hours on it. Take care of yourself buddy.  Grin
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February 27, 2013, 12:19:36 AM
#50
Can you explain how you have access to your account again?

I disabled his account a while ago because it was clearly compromised. Recently cablepair contacted me and provided reasonable proof of his identity (signmessage using an address that he's used before), so I gave him back his account.
legendary
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February 26, 2013, 06:45:49 PM
#49

IF you are interesting in reading the actual definition of a scam you may do so here:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam


According to your link:  a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation

Care to explain the Can-Electric situation...?
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WTF???
February 26, 2013, 06:40:39 PM
#48
other Italians know agath and they know them well.

Its not hard to find out he is most certainly not me

just msg him on irc sometime, or ask other Italians in the community

here is my statement posted in other threads so you know whats going on

Ahhh finally got back into my hacked account. This does not mean I will be a regular on this board anymore it just means I can make some statements that will hopefully be helpful to you.

1) I do not deserve a scammer label. We sold FPGA Mining products since may, when BFL announced their product MONTHS early just to try and squash the competition they lied which was a total lie and dis-service to the community but we wanted to keep our business alive, this led us to begin developing out own ASIC basic based prodcut. Our latest attempt at making the huge leap to ASIC failed. It was never our intention to scam anyone. Anyone who ordered a FPGA mining product has received their unit or their unit is on the way (2 orders slipped through the cracks when shit went bananas but we found these orders and we shipped them out this week.

2) I have paid back over 1 million USD to credit card buyers and BTC buyers alike. I am liquidating assets like a madman and still mining at about 60 gh/s with my FPGA rigs, which brings about 10 btc per day. Every week I gather what assets I have obtained and I distribute them to the customers starting with the earliest customers first and than working my way up to the later buyers. There are many people who can attest to this. One of our largest orders who spent over 100k was refunded by wire transfer just last week and I am sure if you look you can find that thread.

IF you are interesting in reading the actual definition of a scam you may do so here:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam


Instead I am doing everything I can to make sure every single customer gets a complete and total refund. Unfortunately some people do not like the fact that they are returned less coins than they have sent. Although the fact of the matter is - these units were priced in USD NOT BTC and it is appropriate to use the current exchange rate when converting USD to Bitcoin to make these refunds. Any one who knows what they are doing in e-commerce would agree totally.

3) See a scammer would of taken all the money (over a million dollars) and disappeared, instead I still live in my same house and still go to my regular job every day. I am a family man and the last thing I want is any kind of trouble. You guys have no idea the sleepless nights worrying about this thing, but I am going to keep on this and make sure every customer gets his refund.

4) I am sure its hard to believe but this has hurt and will continue to hurt myself and my family far more than it will hurt any of you, But that's the gamble I took when I decided to make an ASIC device, and take pre-orders, we just could not make the damn thing work (for long) and the chips were clocked wrong or something because they had a very little life especially when you pushed them to any degree.

At any rate that is all behind us. Like I said I have paid over 1 mil in refunds and continue to do so every friday night (20k just last friday) this list is shortening and shortening and before you know it every single person will be paid back in full.

I just hope and pray you give me the time to make this all happen, I sold most of these coins at around $15 and now am buying back at $30 - its very difficult but as the last 2 weeks showed you , you will continue to see 10 refunds every friday until every single person is paid back.

I have been a very strong member of this community for 2 years, and I have always fulfilled my promises - please have a little faith in me is all I am asking - I WANT to do the right thing. Think about what a true scammer would of done with over a million at his disposal?Huh??


I have four kids and I am just trying to get by - I am sorry I was not up to meet the challenge of bASIC but I assure you all of you will be paid back.

thank you for listening

Thomas Van Riper
BTCFPGA
P.O. BOX 246
Hannibal NY 13069

(any correspondence sent to any other address other than the business addresss of BTCFPGA will be returned. My house is not my place of business nor is it the address for my business)

i have changed my numbers due to the hundreds of calls I was receiving a day - if you need to get ahold of me email [email protected]
and I will get back to you within a couple of days at the latest

again thank you for reading this and for those who have it - thank you for your compassion and empathy.

Tom
BTCFPGA

p.s. BTCFPGA will continue to sell FPGA based devices to hobbyists and all others who are interested in this device.
http://www.btcfpga.com





Can you explain how you have access to your account again?
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February 26, 2013, 06:25:52 PM
#47
other Italians know agath and they know them well.

Its not hard to find out he is most certainly not me

just msg him on irc sometime, or ask other Italians in the community

here is my statement posted in other threads so you know whats going on

Ahhh finally got back into my hacked account. This does not mean I will be a regular on this board anymore it just means I can make some statements that will hopefully be helpful to you.

1) I do not deserve a scammer label. We sold FPGA Mining products since may, when BFL announced their product MONTHS early just to try and squash the competition they lied which was a total lie and dis-service to the community but we wanted to keep our business alive, this led us to begin developing out own ASIC basic based prodcut. Our latest attempt at making the huge leap to ASIC failed. It was never our intention to scam anyone. Anyone who ordered a FPGA mining product has received their unit or their unit is on the way (2 orders slipped through the cracks when shit went bananas but we found these orders and we shipped them out this week.

2) I have paid back over 1 million USD to credit card buyers and BTC buyers alike. I am liquidating assets like a madman and still mining at about 60 gh/s with my FPGA rigs, which brings about 10 btc per day. Every week I gather what assets I have obtained and I distribute them to the customers starting with the earliest customers first and than working my way up to the later buyers. There are many people who can attest to this. One of our largest orders who spent over 100k was refunded by wire transfer just last week and I am sure if you look you can find that thread.

IF you are interesting in reading the actual definition of a scam you may do so here:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam


Instead I am doing everything I can to make sure every single customer gets a complete and total refund. Unfortunately some people do not like the fact that they are returned less coins than they have sent. Although the fact of the matter is - these units were priced in USD NOT BTC and it is appropriate to use the current exchange rate when converting USD to Bitcoin to make these refunds. Any one who knows what they are doing in e-commerce would agree totally.

3) See a scammer would of taken all the money (over a million dollars) and disappeared, instead I still live in my same house and still go to my regular job every day. I am a family man and the last thing I want is any kind of trouble. You guys have no idea the sleepless nights worrying about this thing, but I am going to keep on this and make sure every customer gets his refund.

4) I am sure its hard to believe but this has hurt and will continue to hurt myself and my family far more than it will hurt any of you, But that's the gamble I took when I decided to make an ASIC device, and take pre-orders, we just could not make the damn thing work (for long) and the chips were clocked wrong or something because they had a very little life especially when you pushed them to any degree.

At any rate that is all behind us. Like I said I have paid over 1 mil in refunds and continue to do so every friday night (20k just last friday) this list is shortening and shortening and before you know it every single person will be paid back in full.

I just hope and pray you give me the time to make this all happen, I sold most of these coins at around $15 and now am buying back at $30 - its very difficult but as the last 2 weeks showed you , you will continue to see 10 refunds every friday until every single person is paid back.

I have been a very strong member of this community for 2 years, and I have always fulfilled my promises - please have a little faith in me is all I am asking - I WANT to do the right thing. Think about what a true scammer would of done with over a million at his disposal?Huh??


I have four kids and I am just trying to get by - I am sorry I was not up to meet the challenge of bASIC but I assure you all of you will be paid back.

thank you for listening

Thomas Van Riper
BTCFPGA
P.O. BOX 246
Hannibal NY 13069

(any correspondence sent to any other address other than the business addresss of BTCFPGA will be returned. My house is not my place of business nor is it the address for my business)

i have changed my numbers due to the hundreds of calls I was receiving a day - if you need to get ahold of me email [email protected]
and I will get back to you within a couple of days at the latest

again thank you for reading this and for those who have it - thank you for your compassion and empathy.

Tom
BTCFPGA

p.s. BTCFPGA will continue to sell FPGA based devices to hobbyists and all others who are interested in this device.
http://www.btcfpga.com



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February 14, 2013, 02:14:27 PM
#46
PS: For only 100 BTC, I will tell you who agath really is. I only accept Bitcoin, no refunds, no escrow, and no guarantees. Limited to only 300 requests, and only one reply per customer. Don't want nobody gaming the system. PM me if interested.

For 50 BTC, I tell you who I am. I provide a scan copy of my ID card, same conditions, plus I require a signed NDA.
legendary
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February 14, 2013, 01:26:22 PM
#45
I will now go and jack off

[...]

Since I'm the one who basically started this train wreck, it's up to me to humbly apologize to agath, hoping he accepts.

I think you jack off too often and for very little!  Grin

However, I accept your apologies, we didn't have any chance to know each other before, I can understand.

Note to self: Hunt hidden cameras.

Thanks, agath.

Later, bud.

~Bruno K~

PS: For only 100 BTC, I will tell you who agath really is. I only accept Bitcoin, no refunds, no escrow, and no guarantees. Limited to only 300 requests, and only one reply per customer. Don't want nobody gaming the system. PM me if interested.
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February 14, 2013, 03:45:19 AM
#44
I will now go and jack off

[...]

Since I'm the one who basically started this train wreck, it's up to me to humbly apologize to agath, hoping he accepts.

I think you jack off too often and for very little!  Grin

However, I accept your apologies, we didn't have any chance to know each other before, I can understand.
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February 14, 2013, 02:08:23 AM
#43
Since I'm the one who basically started this train wreck, it's up to me to humbly apologize to agath, hoping he accepts.

I'm not an asshole, but this time all the clues pointed in the wrong direction. Reminds me of what Mike Rowe said here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IRVdiHu1VCc#t=912s

There's probably no need for agath to show proof of receiving said refund. I further believe that this thread has served its purpose.

Later, bud.

~Bruno K~

This can all mean only one thing.....

Phinnaeus Gage .... IS ....Tom!!!!

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Sorry... couldn't resist. Tongue

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legendary
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February 14, 2013, 12:59:39 AM
#42
Bruno, You apologize too much.   Cheesy
Sorry 'bout that!  Grin
Grrachptsbblrbhyionkream!
legendary
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February 14, 2013, 12:46:51 AM
#41
Bruno, You apologize too much.   Cheesy


Sorry 'bout that!  Grin
legendary
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February 13, 2013, 11:44:08 PM
#40
Has this been verified that it is the same person? I understand they share the same name, but anyone can make a BT account with any name. Also, if he's got "a different and well-respected" account already on BT, why didn't he use that one?
He's posted the same info repeatedly  while authed on IRC.
TY.
legendary
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February 13, 2013, 11:06:02 PM
#39
Bruno, You apologize too much.   Cheesy

Assuming this agath is the same I know from IRC, the numbers posted would be perfectly reasonable. He goes under a different and well-respected nick at bitcointalk and knowing his business, ordering 100 bASICs from Tom and getting them refunded now is plausible.
Has this been verified that it is the same person? I understand they share the same name, but anyone can make a BT account with any name. Also, if he's got "a different and well-respected" account already on BT, why didn't he use that one?

It is time for this community to leave the trauma behind and come down to a healthy trust level where not everyone entering new is immediately accused of being a liar or scammer.
I would like to direct you to this sticky found in the newbie section called Trust No One.
He's posted the same info repeatedly  while authed on IRC.
legendary
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February 13, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
#38
Bruno, You apologize too much.   Cheesy

Assuming this agath is the same I know from IRC, the numbers posted would be perfectly reasonable. He goes under a different and well-respected nick at bitcointalk and knowing his business, ordering 100 bASICs from Tom and getting them refunded now is plausible.
Has this been verified that it is the same person? I understand they share the same name, but anyone can make a BT account with any name. Also, if he's got "a different and well-respected" account already on BT, why didn't he use that one?

It is time for this community to leave the trauma behind and come down to a healthy trust level where not everyone entering new is immediately accused of being a liar or scammer.
I would like to direct you to this sticky found in the newbie section called Trust No One.
legendary
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February 13, 2013, 09:46:10 PM
#37
As someone who has been monitoring #btcfpga since October, I would be absolutely shocked if Agath was Tom. He's been active in the channel the whole time and they talk nothing alike.

I have no proof that Agath isn't Tom, but for the two to be the same would require Tom be incredibly capable, disciplined and forward looking. Since Tom doesn't appear to be any of those things, I don't think he could keep up a deception like that for months for no real benefit. More likely Tom is still lurking in his channel and has been watching as people are planning their legal action.

Assuming this agath is the same I know from IRC, the numbers posted would be perfectly reasonable. He goes under a different and well-respected nick at bitcointalk and knowing his business, ordering 100 bASICs from Tom and getting them refunded now is plausible.

It is time for this community to leave the trauma behind and come down to a healthy trust level where not everyone entering new is immediately accused of being a liar or scammer.

Now that I've been made aware as to exactly who agath is, I now feel doubly bad.

Hello! I am lurking here since a couple of years. Time to register. :-)

Knowing what I know now, I'm surprised to read the above as agath's first post.

Agath, were you purely a customer or were you also one of the original investors Tom spoke of?

I don't know whether Tom considered me an investor or a customer, however I contacted it at the very beginning, and I think I was the first to sign an agreement with him.

Since I'm the one who basically started this train wreck, it's up to me to humbly apologize to agath, hoping he accepts.

I'm not an asshole, but this time all the clues pointed in the wrong direction. Reminds me of what Mike Rowe said here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IRVdiHu1VCc#t=912s

There's probably no need for agath to show proof of receiving said refund. I further believe that this thread has served its purpose.

Later, bud.

~Bruno K~
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