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agath

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Quote from: repentance on February 13, 2013, 04:21:40 PM

Agath, were you purely a customer or were you also one of the original investors Tom spoke of?

I don't know whether Tom considered me an investor or a customer, however I contacted it at the very beginning, and I think I was the first to sign an agreement with him.

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Quote from: agath on February 12, 2013, 09:00:56 PM

Thomas has finally sent his refund through a wire transfer.

Don't lose your hope, probably Tom is not that bad guy that he tries to appear.

I could hardly believe this story when it got posted so I called up Agath today to verify his story. It correlates with the information I
got from Tom back in September. Agath did place an a large order and paid a fair chunk in EUR up front. He did confirm he got a refund via wire transfer (the phone line is from Italy and Agath did give enough details to confirm the info I got from Tom)

In the mean time, it seems Tom has moved on and started doing BTC refunds

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/btcfpga-btc-345-refund-143868

In his accompanying email he stated it might take a while to get through the whole list but I am happy to see he is fulfilling his promises

W.

repentance

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Agath, were you purely a customer or were you also one of the original investors Tom spoke of?

lukasbradley

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Quote from: agath on February 12, 2013, 09:38:07 PM

I am not a troll, and I am not Thomas. I am writing the truth, and who knows me can say it (#btcfpga on freenode). I don't need to prove it to you PG, you probably weren't even his customer.

Come on, be serious.

Agath was indeed a customer, and did indeed receive his money. The TIMING of receiving it is interesting, as it was within days of him starting to pursue legal action.

(Apologies if I'm telling too much, Aga.) Agath reached out to me when he received it last night.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on February 12, 2013, 10:48:59 PM

Almost three hours later, and even later in the evening in EU, you posted

At around 2 AM here in the UK - even deeper into the early morning in mainland Europe. Some banks don't even make their online banking systems available at that hour, let alone process wire transfers.

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Quote from: ||bit on February 13, 2013, 02:23:49 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on February 13, 2013, 12:46:09 AM

As someone who has been monitoring #btcfpga since October, I would be absolutely shocked if Agath was Tom. He's been active in the channel the whole time and they talk nothing alike.

I have no proof that Agath isn't Tom, but for the two to be the same would require Tom be incredibly capable, disciplined and forward looking. Since Tom doesn't appear to be any of those things, I don't think he could keep up a deception like that for months for no real benefit. More likely Tom is still lurking in his channel and has been watching as people are planning their legal action.

I'm not making a positive claim that agath is Tom. But just countering the need that such a possibility would require a super Tom. Cool

Name:   cablepair [a.k.a. Tom]
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Name:   agath
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Date Registered:   January 24, 2013, 10:00:12 AM
Last Active:   Today at 06:15:34 AM

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Quote from: johnyj on February 13, 2013, 09:36:33 AM

I also believe they are trying the best to refund, but it is bad that they are not open about their situation

I guess some of the funds are lost due to whatever reason, but if they communicate with their customer like Greece did with the debtors, they might be able to let the investors share the loss, and return those lost fund at a later time. At least that could reduce the impact on any single customer

I'm not so sure about that. If Tom was making a best effort to refund he would at least pop his head up and discuss it at least with the largest creditors. Even though Agath got his fiat refund there's been no indication that any BTC is going to go out yet. It's possible he might pay all the BTC back some day, but I'd say that's pretty unlikely at this point.

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Beyond Imagination

I'm lucky enough to get my refund, but I was fully prepared for losing all the investment, since at that time, no one knows if all these ASIC things are scam or not, it was a high risk investment, until Avalon officially published their prototype, you can not rule out that possibility

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I'm sensing a "Team Tommy" resurgence... pathetic..

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Beyond Imagination

I also believe they are trying the best to refund, but it is bad that they are not open about their situation

I guess some of the funds are lost due to whatever reason, but if they communicate with their customer like Greece did with the debtors, they might be able to let the investors share the loss, and return those lost fund at a later time. At least that could reduce the impact on any single customer

MonsterZero

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If Tom's smart he knows he needs to be refunding the wire transfers... government authorities are going to get involved in a financial fraud of this scale and he's going to get in trouble. Wire transfers are more risky than CC transactions but neither are anywhere near btc transfers and he may very well not have the intention to or ability to return those funds.

Clearfly

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Maybe the mods can confirm the CIDR IP block ranges where both these guys are connecting from then...

punin

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I know Agath from nearly a year back. He runs a massive cluster of hundreds of Ztex Quads and was planning to upgrade it to ASIC. So to me this seems 100% legit report.

||bit

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Quote from: zefir on February 13, 2013, 02:39:04 AM

Quote from: MrTeal on February 13, 2013, 12:46:09 AM

As someone who has been monitoring #btcfpga since October, I would be absolutely shocked if Agath was Tom. He's been active in the channel the whole time and they talk nothing alike.

I have no proof that Agath isn't Tom, but for the two to be the same would require Tom be incredibly capable, disciplined and forward looking. Since Tom doesn't appear to be any of those things, I don't think he could keep up a deception like that for months for no real benefit. More likely Tom is still lurking in his channel and has been watching as people are planning their legal action.

Assuming this agath is the same I know from IRC, the numbers posted would be perfectly reasonable. He goes under a different and well-respected nick at bitcointalk and knowing his business, ordering 100 bASICs from Tom and getting them refunded now is plausible.

It is time for this community to leave the trauma behind and come down to a healthy trust level where not everyone entering new is immediately accused of being a liar or scammer.

I can respect that notion. I personally don't suspect that agath is Tom. But seeing a little more proof of an actual refund would be nice, considering Tom's complete silence on the matter.

My post to MrTeal was simply to suggest that the possibility of agath being Tom was not improbable on the basis that it would require Tom to have high levels of cunning, discipline etc..

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Quote from: agath on February 12, 2013, 09:00:56 PM

In his last email (3 february, I never received any other) he was stating that he is going to refund everyone, that he hasn't any bitcoin, but he was trying to buy them at the best price, and that it would have taken some time. These were his words, and at this time I could say he's really trying to refund everyone.

In response to: "that he hasn't any bitcoin, but he was trying to buy them at the best price".

That seems ridiculous. If you have the money to refund someone, the best exchange price to transfer the value will always be the present exchange price. There is no waiting for a "better price".

There are only two obvious reason that I can think of to want to look for a "better price":

(1) You lost the customers money, and want to buy low and distribute refunds when it is higher price.
(2) You want to try to profit off of other people's money on cycles or bull trends while you have it.

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Quote from: MrTeal on February 13, 2013, 12:46:09 AM

As someone who has been monitoring #btcfpga since October, I would be absolutely shocked if Agath was Tom. He's been active in the channel the whole time and they talk nothing alike.

I have no proof that Agath isn't Tom, but for the two to be the same would require Tom be incredibly capable, disciplined and forward looking. Since Tom doesn't appear to be any of those things, I don't think he could keep up a deception like that for months for no real benefit. More likely Tom is still lurking in his channel and has been watching as people are planning their legal action.

Assuming this agath is the same I know from IRC, the numbers posted would be perfectly reasonable. He goes under a different and well-respected nick at bitcointalk and knowing his business, ordering 100 bASICs from Tom and getting them refunded now is plausible.

It is time for this community to leave the trauma behind and come down to a healthy trust level where not everyone entering new is immediately accused of being a liar or scammer.

||bit

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Quote from: MrTeal on February 13, 2013, 12:46:09 AM

As someone who has been monitoring #btcfpga since October, I would be absolutely shocked if Agath was Tom. He's been active in the channel the whole time and they talk nothing alike.

I have no proof that Agath isn't Tom, but for the two to be the same would require Tom be incredibly capable, disciplined and forward looking. Since Tom doesn't appear to be any of those things, I don't think he could keep up a deception like that for months for no real benefit. More likely Tom is still lurking in his channel and has been watching as people are planning their legal action.

I'm not making a positive claim that agath is Tom. But just countering the need that such a possibility would require a super Tom. Cool

Name:   cablepair [a.k.a. Tom]
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Quote from: MrTeal on February 13, 2013, 12:46:09 AM

As someone who has been monitoring #btcfpga since October, I would be absolutely shocked if Agath was Tom. He's been active in the channel the whole time and they talk nothing alike.

I have no proof that Agath isn't Tom, but for the two to be the same would require Tom be incredibly capable, disciplined and forward looking. Since Tom doesn't appear to be any of those things, I don't think he could keep up a deception like that for months for no real benefit. More likely Tom is still lurking in his channel and has been watching as people are planning their legal action.

The real question is..... What make you sure Agath here is the same Agath on btcfpga?

Roll Eyes

Oh i must have forgotten , his name is trademarked~

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As someone who has been monitoring #btcfpga since October, I would be absolutely shocked if Agath was Tom. He's been active in the channel the whole time and they talk nothing alike.

I have no proof that Agath isn't Tom, but for the two to be the same would require Tom be incredibly capable, disciplined and forward looking. Since Tom doesn't appear to be any of those things, I don't think he could keep up a deception like that for months for no real benefit. More likely Tom is still lurking in his channel and has been watching as people are planning their legal action.

||bit

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Quote from: agath on February 12, 2013, 09:00:56 PM

Thomas has finally sent his refund through a wire transfer.

It took 2 weeks to arrive, and there was a total lack of communication. Thomas didn't give me any evidence about the bank order, and I was thinking he lied. But I just checked on the account and it has arrived.

In his last email (3 february, I never received any other) he was stating that he is going to refund everyone, that he hasn't any bitcoin, but he was trying to buy them at the best price, and that it would have taken some time. These were his words, and at this time I could say he's really trying to refund everyone.

Don't lose your hope, probably Tom is not that bad guy that he tries to appear.

Print the document. Black out your name & bank details. Leave all of Tom's origin information. Scan the document. Upload and post the wire transfer to be seen in this thread.

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