Topic: BUgcoin strikes back - page 5. (Read 6618 times)

I'm not here trying to spin that adding trust to a system which requires none is a positive or that those doing it are making smart decisions.

I'm not the one ignoring past actions and saying, "This time it's different."

and you don't have any?

The fact that they even let it get there is ridiculous. I wouldn't call the correction "quick" either. First we needed steady outrage from the users to get them to pull their heads out of their asses. And this had all happened before with DeepBit!


Again, they introduced trust to a system that requires none. I don't know how you can spin that as being a positive, but whatever... preconceived notions...

Hashrate going down? I see there is only 33% today.   

Ok.   But when Ghash had 51%, the situation quickly corrected itself , which is evidence to the contrary of what you're saying.


I would say that "Actual miners" are the ones providing the hashing, not the pool.  Semantics aside, they haven't given up their vote at all as they can choose whatever pool they want.  If you're suggesting that they not moving to a new pool out of convenience, you are making an assumption, but to whatever degree it is true, you could say the same thing about the large number of node operators still on core.
 

That's not what I said. In my other post, which is what I have to assume you are referring to, I gave an example of something that happened in the past (multiple times) to provide evidence that hash rate providers do not consider the health of the Bitcoin network in their decision making. The very fact that they are hash rate providers mean they have given up their vote and rely on a pool operator (actual miner) to vote for them. They've taken a model which requires no trust and found a way to include it. They have to trust that the pool operator isn't just signaling one way but will vote another when the time comes.

You see the world colored by your preconceived notions, that's obvious to me.

Just admit it Jonald, for the 3rd time, it's dead.


It will die a 4th death also. Giving it a different name is getting a bit tired, y'know?



You know what never seems to die, no matter how hard people try?

Say it Jonald. Say the name of that which will not die. Say the name. Can you say it. Speak the name

You post like 200 times a day and it's always the same. Who could listen to ALL that.


You've. Lost. It. Franky. (Can't even debate with you anymore. Pointless.)

and then

sparta is happy with a more centralised mining network and cores more centralised TIER network

hypocrisy at its best.

core only want core nodes to be the upstream TIER of full validation nodes. leaving other implementations in a cess pool of down stream filtered, prunned, no witness, stripped block, half relay network.
where by people need to move funds to new keypairs that are incompatible and not validate to the cesspool of second tier nodes but blindly accepted due to a loophole.

dynamics can move the blocksize and bu, xt, classic bitcoinec and many other implementations can all work side by side as PEERS (core too if they just change a few lines of code)
all on the same level playing field (the actual definition of decentralised) of full validation. no need to strip data out or move users to new keypairs to achieve anything. things just move on

bu for instance has not been well peer reviewed because the cough independent cough devs are too far up gmaxwells ass that they wont independently review BU's tweaks to CORES original 0.12 code. they would rather attack it and say "no one spotted a bug that used to be in core but was patched in 0.13)

its funny when an cough independent cough dev prefers to shout its not been independently peer reviewed, rather than review it himself and help.. just makes himself look bad by admitting he is not independent

will everyone put ego's aside, forget which kings ass you wish to kiss and everyone actually start thinking about the network fundamentals.

Youre not a very good listener.   I said I would support bitcoinEC.  Not good enough for you? Not my problem.

and all those miners are signalling using core's software. that tells us a bunch too.

No Johnny.

You don't get to sit on your moral high ground saying - 'oh.. I'm just going along with the market in rejecting CORE! Haha!'

You're pushing a CLEARLY sub-standard version of Bitcoin, that has MAJOR ramifications for security and decentralisation.

You're ignoring all the Alarm bells as nodes crash left right and center, and pretend this isn't UNACCEPTABLE.

You're shrugging off the $5 billion market cap loss since this crap started, when BEFORE the market shrugged of an ETF rejection as if it were nothing.

We are literally on the cusp of billions of txns/second with multiple sidechain goodness, and you've said 'Fuck That.. I want 3 miners to control the network and that's all!' ( Because that's how many miners will be left once BU kicks in )

This just temporary fall of bitcoin. This kind of thing already happened and the first time I experience this kind of fall I got panic. Sold half of what I owned and after a few days it began to spike again upwards. If you see a fall buy as many as you can because it will surely recover in no time and its value will be even greater than its previous high.

Sorry Holliday, I don't think you can blame this on hash rate providers choosing larger pools.  Maybe that's a small factor.  But, everyone is very passionate about Bitcoin and is voting with their feet.
Y'all can think miners are stupid, brainwashed, or whatever.  I see the situation as the market rejecting the software Core is offering.

Until they get there act together I will be running an alternative node.

That they are as BrainWashed, Deluded and Ignorant as you ?

.. it's a real problem.

At this point it seems like we need to weed out the dead wood.

It's not enough that they are defeated, they need OUT.

Classic, XT, BU, and if they simply are allowed to attack again with the same mining threat scheme they will do it again. It's free to do so and they don't get their blocks fucking orphaned as they should.

The same people who were taking it seriously before are still taking it seriously now, which speaks volumes of their thought processes.

Facepalm, who can take BU as something serious after such a fail?