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January 17, 2018, 12:45:08 AM
Ohh, i thought E7-4870 was top of the line? Cant see a better one in this list: https://ark.intel.com/products/series/59139/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-Family - Care to share your knowledge? Smiley

Well now I feel like a dummy.  I saw E7-8870s in the list before and thought it would be more of a boost than just double the accessible RAM which won't do us any good.   Cheesy  8870s can address 4.1TB while the lowly 4870 can only address 2.05TB  I don't think that will give us the kind of performance boost we are looking for.  I guess next time I'll make sure to check the specs instead of just going... Ooooh bigger numbers, has to be faster right? Cheesy

Found 4 8837s for 35 shipped, they are on the way... LOL

Cache is the most important factor here, mining cryptonight with xmr-stak. The configuration of the miner should be based on the amount of cpu cahce available. Each miner thread needs 2Mb of L3 cpu cache.

For the E7 family i made this formula to estimate cryptonight performance:

13 * corespeed in ghz * (amount of cache per cpu / 2 ) * number of physical cpu's * = Totalt H/s running one thread per 2MB cache

For me:

13 * 2,66 * (24/2) * 4 ~ 1650 H/s

one thing to also remember is there is a big difference between the E7s and the E700s and X7000s (which are the most common).  The E7 series comes with AES-NI while the previous gen does not.

So theoretically which cpu should be the best one for cryptonight? As well as which is best bang for the buck?

Best bang for the buck would have been that $250 mini pc I posted   Grin Grin   Actually though, best bang for the buck is always changing with these old xeons.  You just have to scour ebay for the deals.  Ideally though you would want Westmere or later. The E7-XXXX V1 is a Westmere, the next gen is Sandy Bridge with the v1 E3s and E5s, then Ivy Bridge, etc.  Just make sure the processor you are getting follows the format of E7- or E5-.    As someone else mentioned, the L3 cache is really the determining factor as to how many threads you can run.  So the best bang for your buck would be to find cheap xeons with giant L3 caches.  Personally I would search out the v2 and v3 E5s as the cache can go all the way up to 40.

This is a great article with benchmarks that explains it better than I can:  https://www.servethehome.com/monero-mining-benchmarks-cpu-mining-amd-ryzen-7-systems/

Also here are benchmarks in a list format:  https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/monero-mining-performance.12116/
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January 17, 2018, 12:27:27 AM
Bought a couple of the Iris Pro 6200's at Microcenter for $400 to play with today - not worth it at all. Even at $250, add another $100 for Ram and SSD, it's only getting 250 H/s so you're talking about 12 months for your return.

God I love returning crap.


"So what was wrong this time?"

"Nothing, I just want my money back"

"Ok"
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January 16, 2018, 10:18:55 PM
 Being an IT hardware guy all my life this is right up my alley and really, mining feels no different than running prime95

I too thought of that. I had a whole bunch of machines running that back in the day!
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January 16, 2018, 08:35:52 PM
@sundownz - if you don't mind could you get a better picture of which slot you have the splitter in? I have some rigs there I woold like to try one of my splitters out on. Thanks
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January 16, 2018, 08:16:22 PM
I should also add... I was overall slightly faster with 4 of 6 CPU cores mining vs. 5 or 6 of 6 cores.

The XMR-STAK "all in one" miner seems to want 2 cores to manage itself.

This is for Cryptonite mining for ITNS... I am going to do 100% on ITNS for at least a few months as I want to acquire a few million coins & I have already paid down my hardware so *current* earnings aren't a huge concern.

I need to recoup, so Zcash it is for me for now (unless there is a better alternative) as I bring boxes online.  However CPUs will be dedicated to ITNS.  One of the things I've been figuring out is that in the beginning I need to go for max profit but once I start paying down the equipment, I need to start diversifying a bit in what I'm mining, "just in case".  Including in that would be power upgrades to increase density (240V PDU), tuning boxes for best cost / performance ratio, software optimization in choice of pools/algos, etc.

I feel like a DSMer, I'm trying to go for most bang for least budget.  Hopefully I can fake it until I make it.  Cheesy

Have you found that the all in one miner outperforms the older individual exes?
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January 16, 2018, 06:33:23 PM
I should also add... I was overall slightly faster with 4 of 6 CPU cores mining vs. 5 or 6 of 6 cores.

The XMR-STAK "all in one" miner seems to want 2 cores to manage itself.

This is for Cryptonite mining for ITNS... I am going to do 100% on ITNS for at least a few months as I want to acquire a few million coins & I have already paid down my hardware so *current* earnings aren't a huge concern.
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January 16, 2018, 04:47:11 PM
Been on vacation since Dec 22nd.

No issues related to the Z400s at all.

I did have one system go down due to either a bad GPU or PSU -- which I will troubleshoot when I get home. The Z400 will produce a beep code if something is bad (so I have yet to see any failure of PSU, GPU, or Riser cause a cascade and take out any other hardware) -- I simply had one of my employees shut that one system down and unplug it in the meantime.

Cannot complain about these things at all... ROCK SOLID.

Ordered 12 more for the 5th rack that I'll start later this month =)

nice info, hope you had a good vacay.  
Have you tried using pci extenders on the z400 to expand to say 6 or 8 cards?

Thanks! I actually had another trip right after the vacation trip (business this time) -- Z400s solid again!

I have not yet tried the PCI-E expansion cards... but I did buy two of them to experiment with.

If I can get more than four cards running I will advise in this thread.

I was able to get 5x 1060s running.

I tried the first x16 slot and it did NOT want to work... so I moved the splitter to the 1st x1 slot and it DID work. Seems stable... gonna let it run all night to be sure.







Awesome info!!! Thank you very much!
Looks like you're using the 1 > 4 extenders. I might just get the 1 > 2 splitter to make a total of 6.
Thanks again! Looking forward to the results!
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January 16, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
Been on vacation since Dec 22nd.

No issues related to the Z400s at all.

I did have one system go down due to either a bad GPU or PSU -- which I will troubleshoot when I get home. The Z400 will produce a beep code if something is bad (so I have yet to see any failure of PSU, GPU, or Riser cause a cascade and take out any other hardware) -- I simply had one of my employees shut that one system down and unplug it in the meantime.

Cannot complain about these things at all... ROCK SOLID.

Ordered 12 more for the 5th rack that I'll start later this month =)

nice info, hope you had a good vacay. 
Have you tried using pci extenders on the z400 to expand to say 6 or 8 cards?

Thanks! I actually had another trip right after the vacation trip (business this time) -- Z400s solid again!

I have not yet tried the PCI-E expansion cards... but I did buy two of them to experiment with.

If I can get more than four cards running I will advise in this thread.

I was able to get 5x 1060s running.

I tried the first x16 slot and it did NOT want to work... so I moved the splitter to the 1st x1 slot and it DID work. Seems stable... gonna let it run all night to be sure.





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January 15, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
So theoretically which cpu should be the best one for cryptonight? As well as which is best bang for the buck?

I would assume from his comments that L3 cache size is the primary determination of performance due to how many cores you can enable.  Then it's up to clock speed.  In the E7 range, there is no "optimum" choice where L3 will roughly equal total thread capability.  You are either short on threads like you and I are with the 8837's which leaves L3 cache on the table and unused or you will have too many threads for the amount of L3 you have.

Newer chips can resolve that due to increased L3 size but also at significant platform and CPU cost.
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January 15, 2018, 06:49:39 PM

i7's that have Iris are
5950HQ
5850HQ
5750HQ
5755C
5775R

i5's that have Iris are
5675C
5675R
5575R


There is more to the list than this
There are a bunch of Skylake processors with them:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)#Mainstream_and_high-end_desktop_processors
Do you know a benchmark source for these?
Looking to answer to this question: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-right-cpu-for-mining-and-for-the-mother-board-socket-2723740
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January 15, 2018, 05:00:19 PM
Ohh, i thought E7-4870 was top of the line? Cant see a better one in this list: https://ark.intel.com/products/series/59139/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-Family - Care to share your knowledge? Smiley

Well now I feel like a dummy.  I saw E7-8870s in the list before and thought it would be more of a boost than just double the accessible RAM which won't do us any good.   Cheesy  8870s can address 4.1TB while the lowly 4870 can only address 2.05TB  I don't think that will give us the kind of performance boost we are looking for.  I guess next time I'll make sure to check the specs instead of just going... Ooooh bigger numbers, has to be faster right? Cheesy

Found 4 8837s for 35 shipped, they are on the way... LOL

Cache is the most important factor here, mining cryptonight with xmr-stak. The configuration of the miner should be based on the amount of cpu cahce available. Each miner thread needs 2Mb of L3 cpu cache.

For the E7 family i made this formula to estimate cryptonight performance:

13 * corespeed in ghz * (amount of cache per cpu / 2 ) * number of physical cpu's * = Totalt H/s running one thread per 2MB cache

For me:

13 * 2,66 * (24/2) * 4 ~ 1650 H/s

one thing to also remember is there is a big difference between the E7s and the E700s and X7000s (which are the most common).  The E7 series comes with AES-NI while the previous gen does not.

So theoretically which cpu should be the best one for cryptonight? As well as which is best bang for the buck?
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January 15, 2018, 04:50:00 PM
Also, while 35 bucks is still a good deal, the 8837 is probably the worst processor out of that series that you could get.  Its the only one that doesn't have hyperthreading Smiley

Which means that taking 24MB of L3 cache and dividing by 2 nets 12 threads and you can only run 8 correct?
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January 15, 2018, 01:17:31 PM

i7's that have Iris are
5950HQ
5850HQ
5750HQ
5755C
5775R

i5's that have Iris are
5675C
5675R
5575R


There is more to the list than this
There are a bunch of Skylake processors with them:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)#Mainstream_and_high-end_desktop_processors
Along with Haswell:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Desktop_processors

Additionally some of the Xeon E3 V4 processors have it: https://www.anandtech.com/show/9532/the-intel-broadwell-xeon-e3-v4-review-95w-65w-35w-1285-1285l-1265


Non of the skylakes are Iris Pro 6200 which is what was asked for.

haha well I think technically what was asked for were model numbers that say "Iris Pro thingy."  Either way the model of Iris Pro is irrelevant as long as it has 128 eDram.  I think there are also a few processors out there that have this edram but not an integrated GPU.
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January 15, 2018, 01:14:22 PM
Ohh, i thought E7-4870 was top of the line? Cant see a better one in this list: https://ark.intel.com/products/series/59139/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-Family - Care to share your knowledge? Smiley

Well now I feel like a dummy.  I saw E7-8870s in the list before and thought it would be more of a boost than just double the accessible RAM which won't do us any good.   Cheesy  8870s can address 4.1TB while the lowly 4870 can only address 2.05TB  I don't think that will give us the kind of performance boost we are looking for.  I guess next time I'll make sure to check the specs instead of just going... Ooooh bigger numbers, has to be faster right? Cheesy

Found 4 8837s for 35 shipped, they are on the way... LOL

Cache is the most important factor here, mining cryptonight with xmr-stak. The configuration of the miner should be based on the amount of cpu cahce available. Each miner thread needs 2Mb of L3 cpu cache.

For the E7 family i made this formula to estimate cryptonight performance:

13 * corespeed in ghz * (amount of cache per cpu / 2 ) * number of physical cpu's * = Totalt H/s running one thread per 2MB cache

For me:

13 * 2,66 * (24/2) * 4 ~ 1650 H/s

one thing to also remember is there is a big difference between the E7s and the E700s and X7000s (which are the most common).  The E7 series comes with AES-NI while the previous gen does not.
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January 15, 2018, 01:12:52 PM

i7's that have Iris are
5950HQ
5850HQ
5750HQ
5755C
5775R

i5's that have Iris are
5675C
5675R
5575R


There is more to the list than this
There are a bunch of Skylake processors with them:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)#Mainstream_and_high-end_desktop_processors
Along with Haswell:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Desktop_processors

Additionally some of the Xeon E3 V4 processors have it: https://www.anandtech.com/show/9532/the-intel-broadwell-xeon-e3-v4-review-95w-65w-35w-1285-1285l-1265


Non of the skylakes are Iris Pro 6200 which is what was asked for.
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January 15, 2018, 01:10:49 PM
Ohh, i thought E7-4870 was top of the line? Cant see a better one in this list: https://ark.intel.com/products/series/59139/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-Family - Care to share your knowledge? Smiley

Well now I feel like a dummy.  I saw E7-8870s in the list before and thought it would be more of a boost than just double the accessible RAM which won't do us any good.   Cheesy  8870s can address 4.1TB while the lowly 4870 can only address 2.05TB  I don't think that will give us the kind of performance boost we are looking for.  I guess next time I'll make sure to check the specs instead of just going... Ooooh bigger numbers, has to be faster right? Cheesy

Found 4 8837s for 35 shipped, they are on the way... LOL

Also, while 35 bucks is still a good deal, the 8837 is probably the worst processor out of that series that you could get.  Its the only one that doesn't have hyperthreading Smiley
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January 15, 2018, 11:06:58 AM
Cache is the most important factor here, mining cryptonight with xmr-stak. The configuration of the miner should be based on the amount of cpu cahce available. Each miner thread needs 2Mb of L3 cpu cache.

For the E7 family i made this formula to estimate cryptonight performance:

13 * corespeed in ghz * (amount of cache per cpu / 2 ) * number of physical cpu's * = Totalt H/s running one thread per 2MB cache

For me:

13 * 2,66 * (24/2) * 4 ~ 1650 H/s

Excellent.  I'm hoping to pick up a big batch of obsolete server iron this week to toss in one of my containers and this will def help in picking proper CPUs for highest efficiency!
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