Topic: Bullion (CBX) 'the Digital Precious Metal' | 2019 Roadmap published - page 80. (Read 359514 times)
May 25, 2017, 01:25:12 AM
can anyone from the team contact Yobit ? their wallet is off for deposits / withdrawals
May 24, 2017, 09:05:16 PM
I think getting on Bittrex is needed to add value and increase awareness.
May 24, 2017, 04:58:36 PM
Great discussion guys, much appreciated. As always, it is nice to see the community taking interest!
Just an fyi, the team is discussing our plans for the future internally and I have just made a proposition to them. I will share it here because the community should know what is going on as well. This is a lofty plan, so it will take a group to make it work but it is all doable. Community feedback is of course welcomed and encouraged.
Just an fyi, the team is discussing our plans for the future internally and I have just made a proposition to them. I will share it here because the community should know what is going on as well. This is a lofty plan, so it will take a group to make it work but it is all doable. Community feedback is of course welcomed and encouraged.
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Good morning guys,
I have outlined my vision for CBX below. I do not think there is anything wrong with our tech. PoSP is awesome and “ours” – this is a strong benefit. Additional to this, I still do not see the niche that CBX was designed to fill being filled with the current crop of popular coins. This niche of course is for a scarce yet interest bearing digital storage of wealth. This is a need and it takes very few speculators getting involved for the market cap to grow substantially and thereby create a snowball effect of popularity. The issue is how do we get there from where we currently are?
Here is what I envision:
1. Address blockchain bloat. The CBX vault having run for years has created a monstrous blockchain. I suggest we restart the blockchain from 0. This would require a snapshot of all addresses and their balances which would be replicated in a genesis block of a new chain. I am not sure how the technical aspects and challenges go for this but I know other coins have done things along these lines so there is precedent that we can mimic.
2. Complete the Pi Project – this will allow people to invest in CBX and stake without having to run the memory hoarding CBX vault on their PC. This is an enormous obstacle that is preventing adoption in my opinion. For example, I rarely if ever stake despite having a substantial amount of CBX. With a Pi device running, I would. This would boost the strength of the network and make generating new CBX that much more difficult and therefore more valuable to those earning it. On top of this, the Pi Project would allow one to manage their Lite-Vault from a PC or even cell phone allowing for day-to-day real world usage of CBX. As an extension of this project we could sell preconfigured Pi devices and even custom CBX bullion bar style pi cases. Proceeds would of course go into buy orders further strengthening CBX market position.
3. Online staking service. Simply a service where people can send their CBX so it will be staked for them continually without any effort from them. Ideally people hold onto their own coin (that’s what crypto is about) but there will always be those that are lazy and we do not want to alienate anyone. The more users the better obviously. This staking service could expand to include other PoS coins that once they stake their profits are sold on a market in exchange for CBX so the end user gets paid in CBX rather than the coin they are staking. Mining could be incorporated in the same manner as this project grows. This would tie in nicely with Ben’s shitcoin faucet idea where one sends in coins they don’t want and receives back CBX (the selling of the old coin and purchase of the CBX is managed by the ‘faucet’.
4. CBXchange. This may not be necessary should we get listed on some good exchanges by this point in the timeline but if not, we make our own exchange. This would pair CBX with only the top tier coins (BTC, ETH, DASH, Monero, LTC, etc – whatever that list would contain).
I would love to hear all of your feedback on this outline. If we are in agreement, I think we should move forward with creating a roadmap for internal review. Then we need to determine how long each stage would take and what resources are needed to accomplish each. I just chatted with Alex briefly and he is just now getting to the point where a heavy workload of schooling will be alleviated freeing him up to contribute. Obviously, we need to make this worthwhile to him and the more help we can get him the faster we can get things done.
Anyway, I am really excited about this plan and think it is an excellent time to launch this seeing how crypto is doing presently. We have an amazing opportunity here and working together we can make this project a massive hit.
I have outlined my vision for CBX below. I do not think there is anything wrong with our tech. PoSP is awesome and “ours” – this is a strong benefit. Additional to this, I still do not see the niche that CBX was designed to fill being filled with the current crop of popular coins. This niche of course is for a scarce yet interest bearing digital storage of wealth. This is a need and it takes very few speculators getting involved for the market cap to grow substantially and thereby create a snowball effect of popularity. The issue is how do we get there from where we currently are?
Here is what I envision:
1. Address blockchain bloat. The CBX vault having run for years has created a monstrous blockchain. I suggest we restart the blockchain from 0. This would require a snapshot of all addresses and their balances which would be replicated in a genesis block of a new chain. I am not sure how the technical aspects and challenges go for this but I know other coins have done things along these lines so there is precedent that we can mimic.
2. Complete the Pi Project – this will allow people to invest in CBX and stake without having to run the memory hoarding CBX vault on their PC. This is an enormous obstacle that is preventing adoption in my opinion. For example, I rarely if ever stake despite having a substantial amount of CBX. With a Pi device running, I would. This would boost the strength of the network and make generating new CBX that much more difficult and therefore more valuable to those earning it. On top of this, the Pi Project would allow one to manage their Lite-Vault from a PC or even cell phone allowing for day-to-day real world usage of CBX. As an extension of this project we could sell preconfigured Pi devices and even custom CBX bullion bar style pi cases. Proceeds would of course go into buy orders further strengthening CBX market position.
3. Online staking service. Simply a service where people can send their CBX so it will be staked for them continually without any effort from them. Ideally people hold onto their own coin (that’s what crypto is about) but there will always be those that are lazy and we do not want to alienate anyone. The more users the better obviously. This staking service could expand to include other PoS coins that once they stake their profits are sold on a market in exchange for CBX so the end user gets paid in CBX rather than the coin they are staking. Mining could be incorporated in the same manner as this project grows. This would tie in nicely with Ben’s shitcoin faucet idea where one sends in coins they don’t want and receives back CBX (the selling of the old coin and purchase of the CBX is managed by the ‘faucet’.
4. CBXchange. This may not be necessary should we get listed on some good exchanges by this point in the timeline but if not, we make our own exchange. This would pair CBX with only the top tier coins (BTC, ETH, DASH, Monero, LTC, etc – whatever that list would contain).
I would love to hear all of your feedback on this outline. If we are in agreement, I think we should move forward with creating a roadmap for internal review. Then we need to determine how long each stage would take and what resources are needed to accomplish each. I just chatted with Alex briefly and he is just now getting to the point where a heavy workload of schooling will be alleviated freeing him up to contribute. Obviously, we need to make this worthwhile to him and the more help we can get him the faster we can get things done.
Anyway, I am really excited about this plan and think it is an excellent time to launch this seeing how crypto is doing presently. We have an amazing opportunity here and working together we can make this project a massive hit.
all great ideas... however a funding and voting mechanism would be great.
a cbx exchange where fees were used to buy back and burn cbx (after running costs of course) is a great plan indeed.
this way we can create a savings and accumulation incentive and give good POS rewards.
I would scrap posp myself.
It is a great achievement for sure. However cheaper and less dev to just use pos3 latest black build. PosP does not offer enough major improvement over just building up of pos3 which most devs are working with now.
you guys have a lot of trust here since you stuck around and have always tried with this coin.
I think your exchange would do well.
The exchange would have to list the new coins or it would never take off. Lots of new coins would jump at an exchange run by cbx owners.
Trust is majorly important
May 24, 2017, 11:47:44 AM
CBX has neither of those 'benefits', but they will prove hollow when the approaching market crash hits. CBX didn't rise, but it probably won't fall 99% like a lot of others.
While CBX's price can't go down that much, it's current market value is not satisfactory; it doesn't help it place itself in the significant coins category.
May 24, 2017, 07:51:47 AM
Great discussion guys, much appreciated. As always, it is nice to see the community taking interest!
Just an fyi, the team is discussing our plans for the future internally and I have just made a proposition to them. I will share it here because the community should know what is going on as well. This is a lofty plan, so it will take a group to make it work but it is all doable. Community feedback is of course welcomed and encouraged.
Just an fyi, the team is discussing our plans for the future internally and I have just made a proposition to them. I will share it here because the community should know what is going on as well. This is a lofty plan, so it will take a group to make it work but it is all doable. Community feedback is of course welcomed and encouraged.
Quote
Good morning guys,
I have outlined my vision for CBX below. I do not think there is anything wrong with our tech. PoSP is awesome and “ours” – this is a strong benefit. Additional to this, I still do not see the niche that CBX was designed to fill being filled with the current crop of popular coins. This niche of course is for a scarce yet interest bearing digital storage of wealth. This is a need and it takes very few speculators getting involved for the market cap to grow substantially and thereby create a snowball effect of popularity. The issue is how do we get there from where we currently are?
Here is what I envision:
1. Address blockchain bloat. The CBX vault having run for years has created a monstrous blockchain. I suggest we restart the blockchain from 0. This would require a snapshot of all addresses and their balances which would be replicated in a genesis block of a new chain. I am not sure how the technical aspects and challenges go for this but I know other coins have done things along these lines so there is precedent that we can mimic.
2. Complete the Pi Project – this will allow people to invest in CBX and stake without having to run the memory hoarding CBX vault on their PC. This is an enormous obstacle that is preventing adoption in my opinion. For example, I rarely if ever stake despite having a substantial amount of CBX. With a Pi device running, I would. This would boost the strength of the network and make generating new CBX that much more difficult and therefore more valuable to those earning it. On top of this, the Pi Project would allow one to manage their Lite-Vault from a PC or even cell phone allowing for day-to-day real world usage of CBX. As an extension of this project we could sell preconfigured Pi devices and even custom CBX bullion bar style pi cases. Proceeds would of course go into buy orders further strengthening CBX market position.
3. Online staking service. Simply a service where people can send their CBX so it will be staked for them continually without any effort from them. Ideally people hold onto their own coin (that’s what crypto is about) but there will always be those that are lazy and we do not want to alienate anyone. The more users the better obviously. This staking service could expand to include other PoS coins that once they stake their profits are sold on a market in exchange for CBX so the end user gets paid in CBX rather than the coin they are staking. Mining could be incorporated in the same manner as this project grows. This would tie in nicely with Ben’s shitcoin faucet idea where one sends in coins they don’t want and receives back CBX (the selling of the old coin and purchase of the CBX is managed by the ‘faucet’.
4. CBXchange. This may not be necessary should we get listed on some good exchanges by this point in the timeline but if not, we make our own exchange. This would pair CBX with only the top tier coins (BTC, ETH, DASH, Monero, LTC, etc – whatever that list would contain).
I would love to hear all of your feedback on this outline. If we are in agreement, I think we should move forward with creating a roadmap for internal review. Then we need to determine how long each stage would take and what resources are needed to accomplish each. I just chatted with Alex briefly and he is just now getting to the point where a heavy workload of schooling will be alleviated freeing him up to contribute. Obviously, we need to make this worthwhile to him and the more help we can get him the faster we can get things done.
Anyway, I am really excited about this plan and think it is an excellent time to launch this seeing how crypto is doing presently. We have an amazing opportunity here and working together we can make this project a massive hit.
I have outlined my vision for CBX below. I do not think there is anything wrong with our tech. PoSP is awesome and “ours” – this is a strong benefit. Additional to this, I still do not see the niche that CBX was designed to fill being filled with the current crop of popular coins. This niche of course is for a scarce yet interest bearing digital storage of wealth. This is a need and it takes very few speculators getting involved for the market cap to grow substantially and thereby create a snowball effect of popularity. The issue is how do we get there from where we currently are?
Here is what I envision:
1. Address blockchain bloat. The CBX vault having run for years has created a monstrous blockchain. I suggest we restart the blockchain from 0. This would require a snapshot of all addresses and their balances which would be replicated in a genesis block of a new chain. I am not sure how the technical aspects and challenges go for this but I know other coins have done things along these lines so there is precedent that we can mimic.
2. Complete the Pi Project – this will allow people to invest in CBX and stake without having to run the memory hoarding CBX vault on their PC. This is an enormous obstacle that is preventing adoption in my opinion. For example, I rarely if ever stake despite having a substantial amount of CBX. With a Pi device running, I would. This would boost the strength of the network and make generating new CBX that much more difficult and therefore more valuable to those earning it. On top of this, the Pi Project would allow one to manage their Lite-Vault from a PC or even cell phone allowing for day-to-day real world usage of CBX. As an extension of this project we could sell preconfigured Pi devices and even custom CBX bullion bar style pi cases. Proceeds would of course go into buy orders further strengthening CBX market position.
3. Online staking service. Simply a service where people can send their CBX so it will be staked for them continually without any effort from them. Ideally people hold onto their own coin (that’s what crypto is about) but there will always be those that are lazy and we do not want to alienate anyone. The more users the better obviously. This staking service could expand to include other PoS coins that once they stake their profits are sold on a market in exchange for CBX so the end user gets paid in CBX rather than the coin they are staking. Mining could be incorporated in the same manner as this project grows. This would tie in nicely with Ben’s shitcoin faucet idea where one sends in coins they don’t want and receives back CBX (the selling of the old coin and purchase of the CBX is managed by the ‘faucet’.
4. CBXchange. This may not be necessary should we get listed on some good exchanges by this point in the timeline but if not, we make our own exchange. This would pair CBX with only the top tier coins (BTC, ETH, DASH, Monero, LTC, etc – whatever that list would contain).
I would love to hear all of your feedback on this outline. If we are in agreement, I think we should move forward with creating a roadmap for internal review. Then we need to determine how long each stage would take and what resources are needed to accomplish each. I just chatted with Alex briefly and he is just now getting to the point where a heavy workload of schooling will be alleviated freeing him up to contribute. Obviously, we need to make this worthwhile to him and the more help we can get him the faster we can get things done.
Anyway, I am really excited about this plan and think it is an excellent time to launch this seeing how crypto is doing presently. We have an amazing opportunity here and working together we can make this project a massive hit.
May 24, 2017, 03:18:23 AM
they spent to much time in the past and have a poorly advised idea of trying to create real world usage at this stage for it.
where is the real world usage for 99% of coins magnitudes higher than cbx
why would anyone in the real world choose to use cbx?
forget that put your coins into investing in code upgrades and making it attractive to tech seekers wanting the latest and greatest for now. That is what is fueling this pump.
even going masternodes, is not going to cut it now you took too long and were too slow
you will now need decentralised governance and funding mechanisms and some smart masternode type incentive to hold and accumulate and some optional anon.
the people with all the coins are not willing to put them to good use to invest in development in the coin.
set up a development pot so devs have a honey pot and incentive to come work on cbx and then have a vested interest in seeing doing well...
giving away coins for people to use on their blogs or some other waste of time is not going to be useful whilst cbx is outdated non exciting junk.
It was a fairly distributed and clean project build on that not many can say that and at once time was recognised as quite an outstanding project.
We need a dev pot of around 8-10% to attract some good devlopers.
Then get a road map out asap.
where is the real world usage for 99% of coins magnitudes higher than cbx
why would anyone in the real world choose to use cbx?
forget that put your coins into investing in code upgrades and making it attractive to tech seekers wanting the latest and greatest for now. That is what is fueling this pump.
even going masternodes, is not going to cut it now you took too long and were too slow
you will now need decentralised governance and funding mechanisms and some smart masternode type incentive to hold and accumulate and some optional anon.
the people with all the coins are not willing to put them to good use to invest in development in the coin.
set up a development pot so devs have a honey pot and incentive to come work on cbx and then have a vested interest in seeing doing well...
giving away coins for people to use on their blogs or some other waste of time is not going to be useful whilst cbx is outdated non exciting junk.
It was a fairly distributed and clean project build on that not many can say that and at once time was recognised as quite an outstanding project.
We need a dev pot of around 8-10% to attract some good devlopers.
Then get a road map out asap.
May 24, 2017, 02:59:32 AM
I've held CBX for a long time now, and I'll continue to do so, but CBX has been left behind by the alt boom - MK under 250K USD - and if it doesn't catch up soon it'll be dead within 4-6 months. At these levels CBX isn't even a third tier coin any more, and that's truly shocking given the proud history of this coin.
If the dev team have a doomsday plan in the bottom drawer it's time to pull it out - Masternodes, LN, segwit, sidechains etc ... whatever ... some sort of upgrade is needed asap to generate some interest and buzz around CBX (even if it's BS), otherwise it's all over guys. If CBX can't catch a wave in this market then it doesn't deserve to continue much longer.
I'll continue staking!!
If the dev team have a doomsday plan in the bottom drawer it's time to pull it out - Masternodes, LN, segwit, sidechains etc ... whatever ... some sort of upgrade is needed asap to generate some interest and buzz around CBX (even if it's BS), otherwise it's all over guys. If CBX can't catch a wave in this market then it doesn't deserve to continue much longer.
I'll continue staking!!
Good points.
If a coin cannot boom in this environment, it will never boom.
I would add :
Lots of dead projects have markets caps in the multimillions now : Why ?
1. They are on a larger exchange.
2. They have a very large number of coins in issue, making price per unit 'cheap'.
That means they catch the eye of speculators who have no idea what they are buying : Hot Money.
CBX has neither of those 'benefits', but they will prove hollow when the approaching market crash hits. CBX didn't rise, but it probably won't fall 99% like a lot of others.
May 23, 2017, 10:05:33 PM
I've held CBX for a long time now, and I'll continue to do so, but CBX has been left behind by the alt boom - MK under 250K USD - and if it doesn't catch up soon it'll be dead within 4-6 months. At these levels CBX isn't even a third tier coin any more, and that's truly shocking given the proud history of this coin.
If the dev team have a doomsday plan in the bottom drawer it's time to pull it out - Masternodes, LN, segwit, sidechains etc ... whatever ... some sort of upgrade is needed asap to generate some interest and buzz around CBX (even if it's BS), otherwise it's all over guys. If CBX can't catch a wave in this market then it doesn't deserve to continue much longer.
I'll continue staking!!
If the dev team have a doomsday plan in the bottom drawer it's time to pull it out - Masternodes, LN, segwit, sidechains etc ... whatever ... some sort of upgrade is needed asap to generate some interest and buzz around CBX (even if it's BS), otherwise it's all over guys. If CBX can't catch a wave in this market then it doesn't deserve to continue much longer.
I'll continue staking!!
May 23, 2017, 11:10:22 AM
Hi, guys. I have a problem with my wallet. It is not staking for a long time, since the beginning of may. Is it normal?
CBX is one of the first wave of altcoins, its long history means the blockchain has become a bit heavy: CBX cannot sync alone, you need to download and install the bootstrap.
http://node.alex4j.cryptobullion.io/bootstrap.zip
May 22, 2017, 12:09:00 PM
Hi, guys. I have a problem with my wallet. It is not staking for a long time, since the beginning of may. Is it normal?
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ldc5sj.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ldc5sj.jpg
It seems your wallet is still syncing. It will stake after fully synced.
Or you can download the bootstrap to make it synced faster.
May 22, 2017, 08:10:45 AM
Hi, guys. I have a problem with my wallet. It is not staking for a long time, since the beginning of may. Is it normal?
May 22, 2017, 04:01:28 AM
well....... i lost over 500 on cryptsy......still have 1100 left..... should i keep them ?
any offers ? i've always liked CBX
any offers ? i've always liked CBX
a m an is like this ..that he can listen to every one but work according to his will ...
May 21, 2017, 10:25:01 AM
Hey Bullionaires, Join The Creative CBX Contest for Positive Momentum!
$500 reward for finding uses for CBX, in new sites and applications, paid by the CBX team.
Rules:
Any site or app using CBX for the first time is eligible to win
Post your site or app on the CBX forum. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bullion-cbx-the-digital-precious-metal-2019-roadmap-published-951753
The community will vote on a winner on Sept 1, 2017
Site or App must be available to the public and be working/running by Sept 1, 2017
$500 paid in BTC at the end
Examples of entries:
Existing sites that accept CBX for the first time
New CBX apps
New sites that use CBX exclusively
CBX YouTube videos or ads that can be shared
Feel free to post works in progress, status updates on your project, etc. on the CBX forum. The more you post on the CBX forum the more the community can get behind you and help make your project a success. Prize awarded in BTC so that the winner can buy more CBX!
**Bonus contest - every tweet or post using #500USDforCBX is an entry to win $100 worth of CBX. Winner chosen at random so the more you tweet, retweet, or post, the higher chances you have of winning.
Exciting contest, sharing to facebook now
May 15, 2017, 02:20:05 PM
As a side note, the CBX market bot at Cryptopia seems to have been turned off.
Who was running the CBX market bot ?
May 15, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
Hey Bullionaires, Join The Creative CBX Contest for Positive Momentum!
$500 reward for finding uses for CBX, in new sites and applications, paid by the CBX team.
Great! I hope that I will win
May 15, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
Finding an actual purpose for CBX is key. This contest will motivate people to come up with what will give CBX a real value...
May 15, 2017, 10:34:33 AM
Hey Bullionaires, Join The Creative CBX Contest for Positive Momentum!
$500 reward for finding uses for CBX, in new sites and applications.
Rules:
Any site or app using CBX for the first time is eligible to win
Post your site or app on the CBX forum. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bullion-cbx-the-digital-precious-metal-2019-roadmap-published-951753
The community will vote on a winner on Sept 1, 2017
Site or App must be available to the public and be working/running by Sept 1, 2017
$500 paid in BTC at the end
Examples of entries:
Existing sites that accept CBX for the first time
New CBX apps
New sites that use CBX exclusively
CBX YouTube videos or ads that can be shared
Feel free to post works in progress, status updates on your project, etc. on the CBX forum. The more you post on the CBX forum the more the community can get behind you and help make your project a success. Prize awarded in BTC so that the winner can buy more CBX!
**Bonus contest - every tweet or post using #500USDforCBX is an entry to win $100 worth of CBX. Winner chosen at random so the more you tweet, retweet, or post, the higher chances you have of winning.
This should be fun! Great job!
As a side note, the CBX market bot at Cryptopia seems to have been turned off. The average daily trading in BTC ranged between 1-2 BTC per day (bot) until recently. Now the daily volume is less than 0.01 BTC per day. Not that false trading via bots is good, but the mirage certainly looks better than current trading levels.
One measure to see effectiveness of the new campaign will be watching trading volume.
May 14, 2017, 11:53:07 PM
Hey Bullionaires, Join The Creative CBX Contest for Positive Momentum!
$500 reward for finding uses for CBX, in new sites and applications, paid by the CBX team.
Rules:
Any site or app using CBX for the first time is eligible to win
Post your site or app on the CBX forum. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bullion-cbx-the-digital-precious-metal-2019-roadmap-published-951753
The community will vote on a winner on Sept 1, 2017
Site or App must be available to the public and be working/running by Sept 1, 2017
$500 paid in BTC at the end
Examples of entries:
Existing sites that accept CBX for the first time
New CBX apps
New sites that use CBX exclusively
CBX YouTube videos or ads that can be shared
Feel free to post works in progress, status updates on your project, etc. on the CBX forum. The more you post on the CBX forum the more the community can get behind you and help make your project a success. Prize awarded in BTC so that the winner can buy more CBX!
**Bonus contest - every tweet or post using #500USDforCBX is an entry to win $100 worth of CBX. Winner chosen at random so the more you tweet, retweet, or post, the higher chances you have of winning.
May 10, 2017, 06:48:43 PM
Just so everyone is clear, once the Cryptsy case is closed, they will be disbursing an equitable settlement from the funds they liquidated back to investors who lost value. Any CBX holder who lost coins who submitted a claim on http://www.cryptsysettlement.com/ will get whatever money the receivers were able to get back from the assets they liquidated - most likely in USD. Our group helped facilitate the liquidation and will allow those who lost money to get something back sooner. When you get your money, you should be able to buy CBX. The coins we purchased are legally ours, we didn't steal them from anyone and we don't owe anyone anything. We are currently working on tech developments, marketing plans, and generating ideas to make CBX sustainable and raise the price. We are not interested in a pump and dump - the price will rise on its own simply by the innovations that are about to roll out. We have a 5-10 year investment horizon on CBX so don't expect anything crazy to happen all at once, but this is a spectacular time to buy that's for sure.
If others with big ideas want to fund their own innovations and do something to help the coin that is fantastic. We don't mind suggestions at all, but we have a strategy in place and CBX will benefit greatly from these. Giving away a third of our investment is certainly not part of our strategy however.
If others with big ideas want to fund their own innovations and do something to help the coin that is fantastic. We don't mind suggestions at all, but we have a strategy in place and CBX will benefit greatly from these. Giving away a third of our investment is certainly not part of our strategy however.
Thanks for joining CBX, looking forward to seeing what you can bring.
May 10, 2017, 02:58:47 PM
masternodes is so fucking bullshit and is such a fad.
just because DASH scam did that doesn't mean that you guys have to do it as well.
just because DASH scam did that doesn't mean that you guys have to do it as well.
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