Topic: bustabit – The original crash game - page 3. (Read 61361 times)

The license is directly referenced in the source code, and you can read the terms at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html. Bustabit also provides a written acknowledgment (https://bustabit.com/license.txt) that serves as documentation of your purchase and proves that your site is exempt from AGPLv3's requirements, allowing you to take your code closed-source.

I didn't say you should have asked for a license. I said you should have asked for whatever it is you want to show them. Just to be clear, what exactly is "the product" you believe you didn't receive?

The fact that the money withdrawn was enough to help you fix your car made it sound like you got a really good amount from the site.

I haven't experienced this before, but, if something like this were to happen to me it would be from a site I deposited to test, there are several gambling sites where I  made deposits but never got to withdraw due to some difficulties in their system during withdrawal (although the funds ain't big that's why I could let them go easily).

Right, me, nor you, nor bustabit, nor anyone else has any idea how it is supposed to work because there is no license in existence that would state what it is that I can or can not do.

Bustabit is a big name in crypto gambling, and being licensed by them is a big deal - 2.3+ million bitcoins wagered ... That's why my broker (I've sold 3 Amazon FBA businesses through him) has a buyer that is interested. I'd been going over things with my broker to put it all together in to an offering. I don't have a license to show, and that's my biggest selling point by far.

And yes, BTC is highly valued - And that's why I'm so pissed.

Said more simply if I lost anyone there... (I'm just irate about this situation).

Bustabit was paid for a license. No license was provided. When asked about how to remedy the situation - Bustabit refused to give a refund (even for less than the original purchase amount and not even if I was to surrender my domain to them).

I don't know what planet Bustabit is from saying I should have asked for a license at the time of purchase of my license.. But back here on earth (I get it everyone is trying to go to the moon), at the time of purchase means not only when you pay for something but for the time period leading up to actually taking delivery for the purchase. So, it is still very much at the time of purchase at this very moment in time.

I'm hoping that the crypto gambling foundation will be able to help, because their members are held to high ethical/moral standards as well as transactions with online casinos being provably fair - And this situation is most certainly provably unfair.

I have encountered similar scenario but with different outcome from other site like crypto.games, IIRC. I also had an idle account on crypto.games before and had some DOGE balance (I'm expecting to have at least 100k Dogecoin). When Dogecoin reached its all-time high, I checked my crypto.games account balance and couldn't see any Dogecoin. Imagine if I could recover those funds doge balance maybe I build my own house now. The last time I remember playing on crypto.games was in 2017 when the price of Dogecoin was only about 50 SAT, if I'm correct. The ATH was almost 0.8 USDT.

I am not sure how something like is even supposed to work. After a licence of any sort is purchased, surely the sale is complete and payment non-refundable after a cooling-off period (if there is one) unless there is serious flaw in the software and the purchaser does not want to patch with any updates.

In your case, simply by returning a licence for a refund simply by asking for the company/website to remove a domain URL from their website does not seem like an appropriate reason for asking to get the money returned, it seems more like an attempt to get highly valued BTC given in lieu of removing the URL.

If there is no legitimate reason or concern to return the licence why would you want to do it or even ask if it is possible to return it?

You mean you had invested some money on BAB and the amount it had grown to was significant enough to pay for your car repair.

That is nice to know because you rarely find anyone who won from gambling and used the money for some fruitful work. I guess self-control over how much you are willing to play with and getting out while in the green zone makes a difference.

Could you give us an idea about how long the money was invested and what was the approx percentage of change over those years?

Sounds like you had a good amount of BTC sitting in your Bustabit account as you were able to repair your damaged car with that. Since how long you hadn't logged into your Bustabit account? And what was written in the reminder email message? Bustabit has dormant account rules. According to that rule, they reserve the right to forfeit the account balance and delete the account of a user who is inactive for two years.

Nice, I can imagine cashing out on crash with that amount of money has to be butt-clenching

How much BTC was there when you checked?

I just want to say thank you for the email reminder about my "idle" account. I signed up years ago and I played for months on this site and then I started playing on other new sites and totally forgot about the money that was deposited here.

I got the email... I logged into the site and saw there was still funds and it has grown significantly in value. I then played a few rounds again and won something and was able to withdraw a nice amount to help to repair my car that was damaged in a accident. 

It is my understanding that AGPLv3 itself is the license, and a written acknowledgment of sites that have purchased a copy of the software (e.g. https://bustabit.com/license.txt) is enough to show who is exempt from the requirements of the license. If what you wanted was a license certificate or document, I'm afraid that's something you should have asked at the time of purchase. But anyway, as long as you comply with the terms of the license, like making your code open source, you are free to do all the things you mentioned. You only need to purchase a commercial license if you don't want to share your code.


I would argue that it's quite the opposite, and sites serious enough to invest in a license are less likely to scam their players. But no, I won't be issuing refunds for the same reasons I mentioned above.

According to bustabit.com/license.txt there a total of 32 websites that are licensed to run Bustabit's software.

The problem, is that bustabit never actually provided a license. "Umm... Text file" doesn't cut it for real world situations like a serious buyer wanting to check in to things before making a purchase (Looking at the business revenue, number of users, gambling license, SOFTWARE LICENSE).

I have thought deeply about how to remedy this situation this last week.

I hereby call out Bustabit with this question publicly - For the integrity of Bustabit's name, and quite frankly, so people don't get scammed (Because the only buyers that readily accept "Umm... Text File" for a license seem to be ones that would use the purchase to scam others...) can a bustabit licensed website be surrendered (Domain control given to Bustabit & Domain delisted from the "license text file) to Bustabit for a refund of the original license cost (2 BTC) ? And if Bustabit isn't willing to provide a full refund for a product that was sold and never provided - is Bustabit willing to provide a partial refund and finally if so, what would the amount be that they would in fact provide for this situation ? 

It's no longer possible to generate game results using only the hashes and game salt, because for every game the casino has to communicate with Vx. However, if your goal is to test your strategies, you can continue generating multipliers offline as you did before, as the probability distribution would be the same either way.

Having a third-party auditor has a few advantages:
1. It protects the casino against some exploit vectors (e.g. a compromised server secret or game hash)
2. The third-party verifies all games on the players' behalf (but they can also do it)
3. A multi-party provably fair system gives investors some extra guarantees (e.g. the operator pretending to be a lucky player)

And since the system is designed to preserve all provably fair guarantees, there's no need to wonder whether the auditor and the casino are conspiring. It's simply not possible due to the game salt (because players know it was fairly picked, and that it's part of the game result generation).

Hussein is behind Actually Fair, but if you want to be sure the game is fair, you will need to verify the provably fair scheme. That's a much better option than trusting them because they have a contract with bustabit. You can find more info here.

Hey, can you please provide offline verifier as it was before, so we can play with numbers they way we want, previously I could run it and generate all numbers myself, and write own code to test some strategies as backtesting tools are very limited.

Also it has no sense why you added this 3rd party website, if verifier can't work offline, this is somehow suspicious.

A big question, what is a team behind actuallyfair, it looks like it created for bustabit. Domain was created a bit time, ago. previous domain and github also like 7 months ago. They dont disclose who is the owner, or a company behind it. Can you share any information? I assume you should have a legal contracts with them.

Thanks.

Ok i find this link to be functional:

https://stackblitz.com/edit/bustabit-verifier?file=package.json

Good luck with your enterprise.

The previous verification tool (https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/show) can only verify games from the previous hash chain, specifically game 10M and below. The new tool (https://stackblitz.com/edit/bustabit-verifier) verifies games from both chains.


What browser are you using? Unfortunately, StackBlitz only provides full support for recent desktop browsers and partial support for mobile browsers. You can find more details here: https://developer.stackblitz.com/platform/webcontainers/browser-support. That said, we plan on creating a self-hosted version that will be accessible to everyone.


Thank you. My team is already working on a new UI/UX prototype.

Bustabit has been operated from Costa Rica for a while now, and there are no plans to change that. I'm also maintaining the current policies regarding VPNs and multiple accounts - both are allowed. However, chatting from multiple accounts simultaneously is not allowed, and this has always been always the case.

Congrats Leo, I hope bustabit will be an even better place with you. Do you plan to do anything with website's interface? UI/UX design? I know some people who got so captivated with bustabit that they copied bustabit game and named it Aviator, selling it to many casinos right now. Just keep in mind, improve Bustabit to not get dived.

As far as I know, you are an unlicensed right now. Do you plan to acquire a Curacao or Costa Rica license? Will we be allowed to gamble via VPN? Also, I can't find the information about whether multiple accounts are allowed.

The hashes won't verify on bustabit fiddle,it's only me?
 Someone could check,pls?

Gives me different numbers to me
https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/show

something don't add up

tryed this from chat but not working

https://stackblitz.com/edit/bustabit-verifier?embed=1&view=preview

 RESULT_CODE_KILLED_BAD_MESSAGE that's the error after loading container.

I'm aware of the issue and everything looks good on my side (endpoint working and dicesites' IP white-listed). I tried contacting NLNico but it appears like he hasn't been online in a while. I'll make sure I let you know when we get it working again.

Update: it seems like the issue was actually on my end, sorry. But it should start working now 

Hey leo,

I use dicesites.com a lot to gather stats on wager etc. Since the owner-change it is no longer able to crawl bustabit and bustadice. Would it be possible that the DDoS protection changed and that it is filtering the connections? I've tried curling the site and got an error.
Maybe daniel knows IPs that should be whitelisted?

Thanks and best regards.

The game is staying more or less the same for now, but my team and I are already working on some improvements.


Thank you! We actually discussed this with Daniel, and we think it might be better to create new threads. That way I can edit the original announcement, if needed.