Everything your asking about is the Terms of Service or can be deduced by perusing it: https://www.bustabit.com/tos
Ah, thanks. Curacao, interesting.
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Ah, thanks. Curacao, interesting.
So the bustabit bankroll seems like an interesting place to potentially park some BTC. I'd like to understand the regulatory risks, by which I mean the risk that assets invested with bustabit are seized by authorities. No information about this is really provided on the site. What country is bustabit run from and does it have whatever licenses etc are required to run an online gambling enterprise?
It is like parking your coins at exchanges. You dont have the private key of the wallet at the exchange/gambling site/... so technically those coins are not "yours" anymore. Of course there is a risk that the site gets seized or the exchange gets hacked and you lose your coins, if that happens no terms of service or promise can guarantee that you will get your coins back.
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What country is bustabit run from and does it have whatever licenses etc are required to run an online gambling enterprise?
In the bottom-right of the homepage it has some info about license/incorporation in Curacao
Everything your asking about is the Terms of Service or can be deduced by perusing it: https://www.bustabit.com/tos
So the bustabit bankroll seems like an interesting place to potentially park some BTC. I'd like to understand the regulatory risks, by which I mean the risk that assets invested with bustabit are seized by authorities. No information about this is really provided on the site. What country is bustabit run from and does it have whatever licenses etc are required to run an online gambling enterprise?
Sorry for getting off-topic, but RPS is very easy to make provably fair. In fact I do it all the time. Here's a good example of me playing in a provably fair way (for both of us) just using this forum: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rock-paper-scissors-boursy-vs-me-challenge-3-btc-1588904 and includes a lot of explanation of how it works
Disclaimer: I'm down like 15 BTC net
Fuck RPS
Disclaimer: I'm down like 15 BTC net
Fuck RPSWhat a rollercoaster that thread was. Poor zirt!
Within a month I’ve been trying to develop a strategy for earning money on BaB, but nothing good has come of it. It turns out to make an algorithm that can work 5 hours bringing a plus, then 5 hours nothing, and then go to minus, this is the best script I have made. If anyone knows the grail, give a hint where to dig.
I still think non-cheatable systems have a sweet spot. Sometimes you want to stop people from cheating, but sometimes you overdo it and make regular gamblers gamble the way they don't want to. Just exactly as the double spending issue where if you do not make one confirmation a must there could be double spenders but if you do then impulse gamblers may lose hype.
Same here where you are both keeping the bots and all at bay with these methods but also you are making it harder for gamblers to gamble the way they like. At the end of the day this is a very professional website, I know it looks like only devans is working on it (and I am sure he does everything or most things) that doesn't mean it doesn't feel like a whole corporation the way they professionally take care of everything.
Same here where you are both keeping the bots and all at bay with these methods but also you are making it harder for gamblers to gamble the way they like. At the end of the day this is a very professional website, I know it looks like only devans is working on it (and I am sure he does everything or most things) that doesn't mean it doesn't feel like a whole corporation the way they professionally take care of everything.
The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not.
Sorry for getting off-topic, but RPS is very easy to make provably fair. In fact I do it all the time. Here's a good example of me playing in a provably fair way (for both of us) just using this forum: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rock-paper-scissors-boursy-vs-me-challenge-3-btc-1588904 and includes a lot of explanation of how it works
Disclaimer: I'm down like 15 BTC net
Fuck RPSGambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.
Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).
It was fun/stupid. I'd do it again though.
The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not. Even if the website is as legit as it gets, there is no written proof of it so you are still unsure about what you are doing and if the other person knows it.Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).
It was fun/stupid. I'd do it again though.
Bustabit is one of the most trustworthy websites out there in the crypto world and I would still be skeptical about playing in a place with no provably fair rock paper scissors, maybe for fun but definitely not to win because there is no house edge (maybe rake) in there so you could actually profit but without provably fair I still wouldn't dream about profiting.
provably fair word is available on every gambling site , you can see that in thier homepage when you access them or on thier tagline/promotion . they also provide tools to verify if they are really have a provably fair or not , you can check that your self but if you feel that there is something not right , you can always report them or leave them . bustabit is one of those trusted sites and i wont worry playing on them without the need of doing the above process
Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.
Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).
It was fun/stupid. I'd do it again though.
The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not. Even if the website is as legit as it gets, there is no written proof of it so you are still unsure about what you are doing and if the other person knows it.Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).
It was fun/stupid. I'd do it again though.
Bustabit is one of the most trustworthy websites out there in the crypto world and I would still be skeptical about playing in a place with no provably fair rock paper scissors, maybe for fun but definitely not to win because there is no house edge (maybe rake) in there so you could actually profit but without provably fair I still wouldn't dream about profiting.
I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.
I deployed a fix for that issue yesterday. Please let me know if you continue to encounter any problems connecting to bustabit.
And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?
It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.
At least personally, I prefer the idea of games where you say "do what ever you want, there's no such thing as cheating". Although I know poker sites have a cheatable game, and most of the popular ones seem to do a good job at policing it.
I do think there's a big market for a very pvp oriented version of bustabit. At least that way players would no longer be ignoring the bonuses, so bots wouldn't have such an easy time raking it in.
I figured as much. It did end up self-regulating a bit in the end...it became very hard to snipe bonuses once others (bots) were trying to do the same. Agreed that it's best to go all or nothing in terms of what's allowed.
And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?
It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.You are right, it's simply not possible. Just take a look at eg. Tampermonkey. It is a browser-plugin which supports writing code which in the end simulates user inputs (putting text into text editors, clicking buttons, following links, ...). A site has simply no chance to detect if a user input originates from a "real user" or from a bot. Taking any actions against such scripts has a high probability of false-positives leading to the fact that you ban real users which you wrongly identified as bots.
And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?
It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.
At least personally, I prefer the idea of games where you say "do what ever you want, there's no such thing as cheating". Although I know poker sites have a cheatable game, and most of the popular ones seem to do a good job at policing it.
I do think there's a big market for a very pvp oriented version of bustabit. At least that way players would no longer be ignoring the bonuses, so bots wouldn't have such an easy time raking it in.
But you're probably not far from breaking even right? I'm guessing no more than several weeks away assuming most of what you invested was 3 months ago. At least bustabit has enough volume, on bustadice it takes longer to pay off the dilution fee.
In the time since I began promoting Bustabit, the house has basically been at the mercy of whales such as PredictableLegacy and EasternUnion. Without them, the needle doesn't appear to move unless you really zoom out on the graph. The house is not down much at all over the past quarter, but it's still in the red; certainly not rigged in the house's favor like some users seem to suggest. But at the end of the day, the sample size is far too small to complain. I'm excited to see where we'll be in the next few years with this site.
Ryan,
Are there any bustabit clones out there still using the original bonus system?
I had a bot or two back a couple years ago that did quite well sniping bonuses, at least until others caught on. Sad to see the current bustabit has dropped the bonus system.
Are there any bustabit clones out there still using the original bonus system?
I had a bot or two back a couple years ago that did quite well sniping bonuses, at least until others caught on. Sad to see the current bustabit has dropped the bonus system.
No high volume ones, i don't think. I'd just check out bustabit.com/license.txt and go through sites listed there and see if any of them look interesting.
The bonus system was kind of neat, but the state-of-the-art bonus-bots just became so good, that it was really impossible for a casual player (or coder!) to really compete against.
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On a side note, it sounds pretty lame -- but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots. (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)
Did you come up with the bonus system whole cloth? I thought it was pretty damn clever. And because of it, sort of like playing poker in a casino, the house would always win overall but as a single player it was possible to be +EV.
And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?
but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots. (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)
Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.
Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).
It was fun/stupid. I'd do it again though.
Long ago Yahoo62278 was the owner of bubblesbit , a moneypot app and amongst the other nice ad original games ( remember bullseye and the first slide dice ever come around) his site also had a provably fair rock-paper-scissors game named "roshambo" "roshambo" : I had lot of fun with it but if I recall correctly it wasn't a pvp game.
Good old days.
I tried it in the Opera, for about half a day it worked fine, then again a gray page on top of the site. Internet searches do not help. The same thing happened on the phone, only for some reason it worked longer (maybe because I came in less often).
https://imgur.com/a/ipoIjna
Interesting, have you tried to do it with VPN? Or without VPN for that matter, if the trouble is your country and VPN then it could work without the VPN if the problem is with the VPN then it could work without the VPN. I have been gambling here for years now and never seen this type of trouble where the page just goes gray.https://imgur.com/a/ipoIjna
Now, you say you tried it on different browsers and even on your mobile phone that has the same issue it looks like it could be a legit issue with some other people who happened to have this trouble but not share it with us so bustabit wouldn't be able to know about it and fix it. Maybe you should give your debugging to bustabit and make them see what kind of problem it is caused by, troubleshooting might be the only way they could prevent that.
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