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Quote from: zachamo on August 20, 2013, 10:01:40 PM

You've all got it wrong. This guy has the right idea: Preorder 3 Monarchs for 20-25k, post them on kijiji for ~180k. http://alberta.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Lot-of-3-Butterfly-Labs-Monarch-Bitcoin-Mining-Cards-W0QQAdIdZ515030640

Theyre never gonna sell. First, anyone can preorder for $5,000. Secondly, with BFL's track record you'd have to be stupid to lock in that much money. You're better off spreading the risk. Maybe it one Monarch, one KNC Jupiter and one 500GH Cointerra unit. That's what I would do if I ha $15,000 to risk.

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You've all got it wrong. This guy has the right idea: Preorder 3 Monarchs for 20-25k, post them on kijiji for ~180k. http://alberta.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Lot-of-3-Butterfly-Labs-Monarch-Bitcoin-Mining-Cards-W0QQAdIdZ515030640

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 20, 2013, 08:15:42 PM

BUMP, because Josh Zerlan is a lying cocksucker!

Lol, seems like a lot of guys feel that way.

I wasn't around in 2012 but I do remember: Backlog will be cleared by end of August - early September. And here we are still in 2012 with 9 months left of backlog and growing.

Pretty upsetting given that exact statement got me to double down on BFL ASICS. Now I sit and wait while they become worthless paper weights.

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BUMP, because Josh Zerlan is a lying cocksucker!

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Quote from: millsdmb on August 19, 2013, 07:54:13 PM

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Quote from: Kaliecious on August 19, 2013, 09:53:33 AM

I don't get on to much anymore, but what is this about bfl being served papers by the feds or something?

22 people and companies were served. Nothing to do with BFL, specifically. Senate and NY Attorney General wanna get a bigger picture. It's all about control And I laugh when I see people say the govt can never control Bitcoin.

2 words: National Security!

they want to get the money transmitters and employers to report bitcoin paid as income, i think thats about all they can do. Maybe some money laundering measures.

That's just the beginning. The final step is a complete confiscation of Bitcoin and any other good crypto coin or confiscate one and criminalize the rest.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on August 19, 2013, 02:39:20 PM

Quote from: Kaliecious on August 19, 2013, 09:53:33 AM

I don't get on to much anymore, but what is this about bfl being served papers by the feds or something?

22 people and companies were served. Nothing to do with BFL, specifically. Senate and NY Attorney General wanna get a bigger picture. It's all about control And I laugh when I see people say the govt can never control Bitcoin.

2 words: National Security!

they want to get the money transmitters and employers to report bitcoin paid as income, i think thats about all they can do. Maybe some money laundering measures.

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Quote from: Kaliecious on August 19, 2013, 09:53:33 AM

I don't get on to much anymore, but what is this about bfl being served papers by the feds or something?

22 people and companies were served. Nothing to do with BFL, specifically. Senate and NY Attorney General wanna get a bigger picture. It's all about control And I laugh when I see people say the govt can never control Bitcoin.

2 words: National Security!

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I don't get on to much anymore, but what is this about bfl being served papers by the feds or something?

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You are correct, I'm in the Americas, so I'll be charged any customs at that point, but not VAT. I've never paid VAT or any other country's taxes for anything I've ordered from abroad. At most, I've paid a couple hundred USD for customs once on a much larger item.

Typically, I'm not even assessed customs fees for under 10k USD expendatures.

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Quote from: vesperwillow on August 19, 2013, 08:06:26 AM

I'm not charged VAT.

where are you from? if you are outside EU, VAT will be probably calculated by custom, because KNC will declare real price of device.

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Quote from: Xialla on August 19, 2013, 07:44:59 AM

Quote from: vesperwillow on August 19, 2013, 07:35:10 AM

Their 400GH unit is $6700 USD, plus around $130 for "next day" shipping.

meeh, really? this is my order:

Subtotal:      $ 6,995.00
Shipping cost::      $ 160.00
Czech Republic VAT:      $ 1,468.95
Total:      $ 8,623.95

so please, don't tell here anything about 6700+130 because it is incorrect information.

thanks.

I was speaking from my experience. I'm not charged VAT. You are. It's not incorrect to state that folks who aren't susceptible to VAT pay less than $8k. Everyone's situation is different. I believe this is explained in section 700 or 703 regarding goods being sold to non-EU/non-VAT customers.

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Quote from: vesperwillow on August 19, 2013, 07:35:10 AM

Their 400GH unit is $6700 USD, plus around $130 for "next day" shipping.

meeh, really? this is my order:

Subtotal:      $ 6,995.00
Shipping cost::      $ 160.00
Czech Republic VAT:      $ 1,468.95
Total:      $ 8,623.95

so please, don't tell here anything about 6700+130 because it is incorrect information.

thanks.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on August 18, 2013, 10:25:44 PM

Ok, so why is KNC your favorite?

It's odd they want like $8,000 for a 400GH pre-order and it doesn't even have a PSU. I know they're in Europe and PSU's are heavy but still. At that money a unit should be turn-key. Just saying and especially now that BFL is selling a 600GH for $4995 and I have a strong feeling Cointerra will beat that.

Their 400GH unit is $6700 USD, plus around $130 for "next day" shipping. This is for their first major shipment group September-October drop date, after which (November-onward) their product line is being discounted to reflect the fact their R&D has been covered by the first batch of orders.

I believe they quoted $5000 shipped for a 400GH unit at that point, with another price drop after the turn of the year.

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Quote from: Starlightbreaker on August 19, 2013, 03:18:45 AM

Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on August 19, 2013, 03:06:41 AM

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Quote from: Unacceptable on August 19, 2013, 12:02:48 AM

Quote from: Xian01 on August 18, 2013, 10:33:35 PM

Quote from: erk on August 18, 2013, 10:30:45 PM

You can rest assured that BFL wont be shipping Monarch in November, it's unlikely they will even have a working prototype by then based on their track record and the reality of getting tape out -> wafers ->bumping ->chip packaging done by then.

What the fuck happened to you erk ? You went from fervent BFL supporter and apologist to detractor now ?

Jesus Christ. I think I just saw a pig fly by my window.

I too was a BFL supporter Embarrassed

Hello,my name is Unacceptable,I WAS powerless against BFL.I now have "The Power" to say,FUCK YOU JOSH!!! Cheesy

We accept you, Unacceptable. Welcome to the light.

Edit: Now if Slock turned....damn...you'd know that so much shit hit the fan that the fan fell from the ceiling from the sheer weight of it all.

slok is still busy sucking josh's dick.

Ahahhahahaaa. Man, you guys know everyone and even their hobbies. I saw slok and didn't pick up anything but I'll watch him more closely next time. Lol.

i'm sorry, i was crude.

what i meant was, slok is still taking josh's dick up his ass.

Ha hahahhahhaaaa. Well, I'm glad you clarified. Now I'm not as disgusted. Not that being that way is wrong, mind you. No, not at all. Lol.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on August 19, 2013, 03:06:41 AM

Quote from: Starlightbreaker on August 19, 2013, 02:17:10 AM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on August 19, 2013, 12:28:33 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on August 19, 2013, 12:02:48 AM

Quote from: Xian01 on August 18, 2013, 10:33:35 PM

Quote from: erk on August 18, 2013, 10:30:45 PM

You can rest assured that BFL wont be shipping Monarch in November, it's unlikely they will even have a working prototype by then based on their track record and the reality of getting tape out -> wafers ->bumping ->chip packaging done by then.

What the fuck happened to you erk ? You went from fervent BFL supporter and apologist to detractor now ?

Jesus Christ. I think I just saw a pig fly by my window.

I too was a BFL supporter Embarrassed

Hello,my name is Unacceptable,I WAS powerless against BFL.I now have "The Power" to say,FUCK YOU JOSH!!! Cheesy

We accept you, Unacceptable. Welcome to the light.

Edit: Now if Slock turned....damn...you'd know that so much shit hit the fan that the fan fell from the ceiling from the sheer weight of it all.

slok is still busy sucking josh's dick.

Ahahhahahaaa. Man, you guys know everyone and even their hobbies. I saw slok and didn't pick up anything but I'll watch him more closely next time. Lol.

i'm sorry, i was crude.

what i meant was, slok is still taking josh's dick up his ass.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on August 19, 2013, 03:06:41 AM

Quote from: Starlightbreaker on August 19, 2013, 02:17:10 AM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on August 19, 2013, 12:28:33 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on August 19, 2013, 12:02:48 AM

Quote from: Xian01 on August 18, 2013, 10:33:35 PM

Quote from: erk on August 18, 2013, 10:30:45 PM

You can rest assured that BFL wont be shipping Monarch in November, it's unlikely they will even have a working prototype by then based on their track record and the reality of getting tape out -> wafers ->bumping ->chip packaging done by then.

What the fuck happened to you erk ? You went from fervent BFL supporter and apologist to detractor now ?

Jesus Christ. I think I just saw a pig fly by my window.

I too was a BFL supporter Embarrassed

Hello,my name is Unacceptable,I WAS powerless against BFL.I now have "The Power" to say,FUCK YOU JOSH!!! Cheesy

We accept you, Unacceptable. Welcome to the light.

Edit: Now if Slock turned....damn...you'd know that so much shit hit the fan that the fan fell from the ceiling from the sheer weight of it all.

slok is still busy sucking josh's dick.

Ahahhahahaaa. Man, you guys know everyone and even their hobbies. I saw slok and didn't pick up anything but I'll watch him more closely next time. Lol.

The knee's tell all Cheesy

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Quote from: Starlightbreaker on August 19, 2013, 02:17:10 AM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on August 19, 2013, 12:28:33 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on August 19, 2013, 12:02:48 AM

Quote from: Xian01 on August 18, 2013, 10:33:35 PM

Quote from: erk on August 18, 2013, 10:30:45 PM

You can rest assured that BFL wont be shipping Monarch in November, it's unlikely they will even have a working prototype by then based on their track record and the reality of getting tape out -> wafers ->bumping ->chip packaging done by then.

What the fuck happened to you erk ? You went from fervent BFL supporter and apologist to detractor now ?

Jesus Christ. I think I just saw a pig fly by my window.

I too was a BFL supporter Embarrassed

Hello,my name is Unacceptable,I WAS powerless against BFL.I now have "The Power" to say,FUCK YOU JOSH!!! Cheesy

We accept you, Unacceptable. Welcome to the light.

Edit: Now if Slock turned....damn...you'd know that so much shit hit the fan that the fan fell from the ceiling from the sheer weight of it all.

slok is still busy sucking josh's dick.

Ahahhahahaaa. Man, you guys know everyone and even their hobbies. I saw slok and didn't pick up anything but I'll watch him more closely next time. Lol.

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Quote from: Bicknellski on August 18, 2013, 10:06:26 PM

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Monarchs are foul-tasting and poisonous due to the presence of cardenolide aglycones in their bodies,
which the caterpillars ingest as they feed on milkweed. Monarchs advertise their unpalatability with bright
colors and areas of high contrast on the skin or wings.

Natures way of telling consumers to BOYCOTT this product.

Ahahhahahaaa. Oh, that's brilliant. I called it a butterfly only in the slow caterpillar phase. Lol!

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Quote from: Unacceptable on August 19, 2013, 12:02:48 AM

Quote from: Xian01 on August 18, 2013, 10:33:35 PM

Quote from: erk on August 18, 2013, 10:30:45 PM

You can rest assured that BFL wont be shipping Monarch in November, it's unlikely they will even have a working prototype by then based on their track record and the reality of getting tape out -> wafers ->bumping ->chip packaging done by then.

What the fuck happened to you erk ? You went from fervent BFL supporter and apologist to detractor now ?

Jesus Christ. I think I just saw a pig fly by my window.

I too was a BFL supporter Embarrassed

Hello,my name is Unacceptable,I WAS powerless against BFL.I now have "The Power" to say,FUCK YOU JOSH!!! Cheesy

Ahahhahahaaa. Was josh like the CEO's son? Why would they ever tolerate such an incompetent angry little troll?

Seriously, any other company woud have fired such an arrogant asshole on day one.

That idiot josh did more irreparable damage to BFL than anyone can ever quantify and I bet he still works there. I have read hundreds of affected people who will go with a competitor just cause of that asshole. I mean, count that up and the guy is BFL's enemy number 1.

Pretty amazing to see in today's day and age. My guess is nobody at BFL went to business school, this is the kind of stupidity you saw back in the 80's before corporate responsibility. Sad!

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on August 19, 2013, 12:28:33 AM

Edit: Now if Slock turned....damn...you'd know that so much shit hit the fan that the fan fell from the ceiling from the sheer weight of it all.

Slok actually does work for BFL. Either this, or he has some very (very!) good inside connections to information only BFL staff can now.

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