Topic: Butterfly Labs shipping 300 units a day - page 16. (Read 29026 times)

BFL is a done dead duck..............They cannot get shipping in volume,for whatever reason 

IMHO,its due to ineptitude.Poor management & just plain laziness...............

Hope they fold up shop soon 

The chart you linked is what they are running live.  My understanding is that enough chips were produced for 200TH and they are running less to not threaten the network.  Recent marketing materials from resellers in China indicate that they target 1000TH by years end.  Their advantage is their lead in production capability which can be used to control price.

I agree that as a distributed threat, all the Avalon producers combined can also be a dominant force.  Seeing the April chip images solidified that.

BFL needs a black swan announcement to be a big player going forward.

ASICminer are around 48Th/s http://www.asicminercharts.com/live/

Avalon have shipped way more than that ASICminer in just batch #1 and #2, they have volume chips going out to the DIY market, and second generation product in the design phase. I think Avalon will keep ahead of the pack unless BFL can find away to increase their output. I am quite sure BFL could sell a heap more product if they could deliver in an acceptable time frame eg. weeks not months or years, but at this point there is no sign of them doing so. I still see Avalon leading the race for the next 6mths. or more.

Maintaining your percentage of global hash rate is a great strategy for getting through the spike as a profitable miner.  Its the flat and downward parts that payoff handsomely.  I can't wait for the next difficulty decrease, even if it takes a couple of years to get there again.  A major crash in BTC/fiat would facilitate that nicely, but at a very high risk to entire offering.

On this side of the spike, its tricky estimating the probabilities that new hardware will ship and when.  It seems that everyone so far has missed on their heat/power estimates.  I don't expect that to change and will likely push units out a couple of months.  Even the USB Sapphires came in at 510ma draw if I remember correctly.

BFL has already faced that battle and adapted.  I'd love to see an announcement of an outsourced agreement for assembly and testing.

Bitfury has already come to terms with missing their density projections if I've followed that thread correctly.  I'd love to see more clarity on the counter party risk for the rest of the world since it is "russia only".  Metabank is the intermediary right?  It seems they will hit October 2013 at this rate but with an unknown quantity.

KnC is an unknown so far but has the highest density on the books.  They recently posted some slides showing a simulation of their cooling solution if their chip were to ever hit 125C, which they don't expect it to do.  (I would hope not).  The large BGA package is worth noting since BGA does not do well in thermal cycled environments.  A working chip with 3rd party verification would be nice here.  Followed by some kind of announcement on where they are setting up their supply and manufacturing chains.  I'd put them at 100% delivery by March 2014 without knowing more.

Avalon DIY seems to be landing at 350MH/s or so per chip, less than the 450MH/s theoretical.  I believe there is a water cooled board that runs at max, but I haven't kept up with that thread.  I think these things will start arriving in August 2013 if the April Avalon chip orders are any indication.  There is also a crazy 107GH/s Avalon miner in the Chinese boards thats worth looking at.

AM is out far ahead of everyone and I expect them to put serious pressure on the price once competitive units emerge into reality.  Especially if they can kick out a 65nm product before the end of the year.  All bets are off if they announce an acquisition of someone else's IP and they stuff it into their manufacturing chain.

You mind naming some? Don't name vaporware of "developing" name the ones with actual shippable. Product.. yeah... and then..

Truth=trolling ...then yes i am trolling

Plain & fucking simple BFL are bad for the crypto community !!

As long as that this type of un-professional/dishonest  behavior is acceptable we will never move forward..

And we dont live in communist north korea so i can tell you to "Go fuck yourself" as this is my business

With no particular evidence to cite I project that at some point there will be a level off of the increase in TH/S and difficulty. I am a very small miner now (8GH/s for BTC and 730 KH/s for LTC) but if I can hold on to my .2 BTC per day production throught the ASIC boom I feel like I will come out OK on the other side. If not I will have a bunch of ASIC boxes that at least paid for themselves...

Sounds reasonable, I guess you have to do that to keep up with the difficulty increases.

For those not able to do the math themselves at home, over the weekend 600 units were assembled to be shipped out first thing Monday morning.


I hate Mondays!

and this is why i mine primecoin!

Every time my Jally mines out 4 BTC I am ordering a new Jally... When they catch up to my orders it will be like Christmas off in this beeotch! Got 2 on order and working on the third!

If that were true, BFL would be done with their back log weeks ago. Unless they can't afford the parts...

And in the time it took for a person to assemble all that, one man at BFL could have assembled several hundred Jalapenos making a lot more people happy than 7 Avalon units.

ONE man real work VS BFL

http://imgur.com/a/lxMWi#Gbonqie

I'm not going to wade through the whole thread because "I've been down that road, I know exactly where it leads..."

but I feel this statement from dwdoc hits the nail on the head.

What did they say in the article? 35 employees I believe? spread between the normal operating overhead of the company I would guess there are less than 20 people actually assembling these devices?

One could imagine how they would have a rough time trying to fill their backlog.

Much easier to simply order the chips from a facility that is actually capable of mass-production and then re-sell the chips to industrious and motivated third-parties who are willing and able to do all the hard work.

quote:

Mine was in "production" status for more than 2 weeks. So according to this, it was on the assembly floor for over 2 weeks, then it went into a sort of unspoken limbo for 3 weeks while it disappeared, and now it's been "fulfilled" but isn't ready to pick up.


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3907-anyone-get-email-bfl-tonight-info-letter-reprint-below-3.html#post48350

"I suspect the email was to comply with FTC (?) rules which have been quoted a gazillion times on bitcoin talk about communication at least every 30 days if delayed or something.

The reason jally line is so far ahead, they likely have a shit ton of stock that works for jally... probably the boards and cases originally for jally went to scrap and the boards and cases originally for LS and S are being used for jally while the larger products needed to be redesigned."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3907-anyone-get-email-bfl-tonight-info-letter-reprint-below-3.html#post48356

xD half a day's worth of Japs shipped in a day, that infinite clear time [unless refunds > half a day's worth, per day]

I can't believe people are still placing orders. By the time they receive them the difficulty will be too high for the 5 gh/s bfl to be profitable. There are plenty of other asics on the market right now. You may have to spend a little more up front but you get it now and you get to mine during the time the bfl'ers are waiting months for their delivery

I don't know beyond what they claim in the article whether or not they are shipping 300 units a day, but I do think that it's possible that they could be shipping that many (few?) units and we don't see the evidence on this forum or the tracking log. People are inherently lazy and prone to inaction, and don't necessarily want to be identified as having one of these units or get criticized for being a sockpuppet or shill when they say they got theirs.

Still, even if it's 300 orders a day, that is a snails pace compared to their queue and the fact that they are still accepting orders is tantamount to fraud.

I should of sold my jalapeno for more than 2k....